What do you think the first scene of the next Avengers will be?

[TonyP2]

And now, a tangent:

How are the remaining few supposed to do anything at all now? What can they do to go after Thanos at this point? What are Iron Man and Nebula going to do from wherever they are? What are the other few in Wakanda planning on doing?

And how is Captain Marvel going to do anything about this, provided she doesn t turn out to be one of the half that goes? (Heck, how was that even determined by Thanos?)

Dr. Strange said that it was the only way to take him down, too.

It's very hard to tell what's supposed to happen next at this point.

 

[Melpardus]

Obviously the first one, because that's just the best option.

More seriously though, I was listening to a bit about how Ant-Man and the Wasp ends and I figured that Avengers 4 will more or less start with [BLACKOUT]Scott Lang coming out of the quantum realm after somehow jumping forward in time to find out everything that's happened in his absence. He and Captain Marvel's return (assuming she doesn't get dusted) are what actually kickstart the Avengers and other remaining heroes to start tangibly figuring out a plan to fix things since elements from their respective films and experiences are probably integral to moving the plot forward.[/BLACKOUT] The film then proceeds to catch us up with the other characters. (I desperately want to see what's happened with Wakanda.)

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

I admit I want to see Tony Stark's super power as he goes Flight of The Phoenix with two smashed spaceships.

 

[Smurphftw]

Barton watching his wife and kids turn to dust.

 

[fan4stic]

I would like a cold open of Tony telling May what happened and her breaking down about it.

 

[Kev4000]

Barton watching his wife and kids turn to dust.

Yes I bet my Money on that too.

 

[Wise]

I'd love for it to be President Ellis being briefed on the situation in Wakanda and suddenly him and half the war room being dusted by the finger snap, with Thunderbolt Ross looking on in horror.

Then cut to a news montage, similar to the end of the first Avengers film, detailing the absolute carnage, the death tolls, the unrest, the world teetering on the edge of war.

 

[Thör-El]

I'd love for it to be President Ellis being briefed on the situation in Wakanda and suddenly him and half the war room being dusted by the finger snap, with Thunderbolt Ross looking on in horror.

Then cut to a news montage, similar to the end of the first Avengers film, detailing the absolute carnage, the death tolls, the unrest, the world teetering on the edge of war.

I think we need a heavy hitting reminder of the scale of what's just happened and that would definitely work. Showing Hawkeye lose his family and showing Tony return to Earth desperately asking Friday about Pepper and then going to Queens to break it to May might make it more personal though.

After that cut to Wakanda and the "if we can't protect the earth you can be damn well sure we'll avenge it" conversation (I really hope they use that line again, at least in the trailers)

 

[Silvermoth]

It’ll begin with half the avengers singing “Christmas in Heaven” from Monty Python

 

[Dark Raven]

I think the very first scene we'll see someone with a dustpan and brush sweeping up the remains of one of the fallen heroes. Then a quick cut to a vacuum cleaner, then a dust buster, then Rocket Raccoon trying to snort some of the stuff.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Watching someone get dusted again seems repetitive. We’ve seen 3 scenes already of what happens after the snap. I think everyone has a general idea of what has happened. Spoilers for Ant Man and the Wasp.....[BLACKOUT] I think. It has to be Scott going through the time vortex and coming out 5 years later and finding out what has happened. Him finding Tony and creating a plan. It helps set the story in motion IMO. [/BLACKOUT]

 

[NHawk19]

^ my thoughts as well. Woudn't be surprised if that whole after credits scene was expanded upon as the opening.

 

[Flash525]

I voted for the remaining few on Wakanda arguing with each other over their loss, but I'm pretty sure it wont open with any of the above; instead it'll be set years ahead, though I'd be willing to bet the first character we see will be Stark.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

I voted for the remaining few on Wakanda arguing with each other over their loss, but I'm pretty sure it wont open with any of the above; instead it'll be set years ahead, though I'd be willing to bet the first character we see will be Stark.

The other side of the Avengers traditional argument is on another planet. Steve , Natasha, Bruce and Thor with Rhody doesn't leave much of a fight unless we break character just to make it happen. Being an alien the shock of a talking Rocket should come back even with other alien corpses on the battleground.

 

[Golgo-13]

Ant-Man coming out of the quantum realm. The first place he would naturally go is home There, he finds his daughter. They have already cast an older actress as Cassie, so we'll take it from there.....

Speaking of Wakanda; isn't Shuri the next in line to the throne? It would be a good opportunity to show her temporily taking on the mantle of Black Panther like she does in the comics...

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Could the Ant-Man and the Wasp mid-credits scene have been a misdirection?

What if Ant-Man uses the same method of getting out of the Quantum Realm as he did in 2015 (using a growth disc) and sees all his friends turned to dust before immediately running off to the remaining Avengers to help.

Hear me out.

The stinger still serves to set up time travel through the quantum realm. So it already has the cogs turning in our heads. It doesnt mean Ant-Man has to find an alternate route out of the quantum realm through some time vortex. Thats my working theory at the moment.

I really don't understand how Ant-Man could do the time travel portion on his own. I guess unless he goes to the future. But I somehow doubt that too. He's 100% unaware of Thanos' existence. He doesn't have any idea how to stop him, he doesn't even know what happened while he was in the quantum realm.

I think he pops out in the modern day and teams up with the avengers. So going off of that for the moment:

Scene 1 - Barton's wife and daughter begin to turn to dust, his son, realizing this begins to cry and runs toward his father, only to also begin to turn to dust before he reaches his fathers outstretched arms. To serve to both remind the audience what had just happened and set Hawkeye's arc in motion.
Scene 2 - Tony and Nebula are attempting to assembling their ride off of Titan and back to Earth when Captain Marvel arrives and helps them.
Scene 3 - Ant-Man pops out of a the quantum realm to see his loved ones turn to dust and a whole lotta A-vengeance.
Scene 4 - Tony, Nebula, Carol (crash?) land in new york, Tony relieved to find Pepper survived is confronted by Aunt May. Who breaks down in his arms, Re-igniting RDJ's guardian angel of Earth arc. The mayhem also ignites Danver's drive as well.
Scene 5 - Ant-Man approaches Tony to assist in the time-travel vortex plot.
Scene 6 - Ant-Man, Iron Man, Nebula, Captain Marvel and Hawkeye head to Wakanda, where the tech exists to move through quantum time vortexes.
Scene 7 - Tony gives a speech, "we can go back in time and change things, but as long as Thanos is alive, he wins."
Scene 8 and beyond - The goal becomes to destroy an infinity stone at some point in the past, to draw Thanos out and end it?

 

[Flash525]

I really don't understand how Ant-Man could do the time travel portion on his own. I guess unless he goes to the future. But I somehow doubt that too. He's 100% unaware of Thanos' existence. He doesn't have any idea how to stop him, he doesn't even know what happened while he was in the quantum realm.

I think he pops out in the modern day and teams up with the avengers.So going off of that for the moment:

Not that it's not possible, but I can't quite fathom why he'd pop out in modern day, only to then need to go into the future (where his aged daughter will be). If they're going on this quest to locate the stones before Thanos gets them, then they're only ever going to need to go back in time, not forward. I wouldn't imagine he'd do the time travel on his own either; it'll likely be the result of chance. Scott probably has some very basic knowledge of how it all works, and sees a window of opportunity so takes it. It just so happens he'd exit in the future than the present.

Scene 2 - Tony and Nebula are attempting to assembling their ride off of Titan and back to Earth when Captain Marvel arrives and helps them.

I don't see why she'd go to Titan on her way to Earth.

Scene 6 - Ant-Man, Iron Man, Nebula, Captain Marvel and Hawkeye head to Wakanda, where the tech exists to move through quantum time vortexes.

Surely if that tech existed, they'd have used it already? I'd have thought (when traveling through time) it would be done via the quantum realm and on that ship they appear to have in Ant Man & Wasp, not through Wakandan tech.

Scene 7 - Tony gives a speech, "we can go back in time and change things, but as long as Thanos is alive, he wins."
Scene 8 and beyond - The goal becomes to destroy an infinity stone at some point in the past, to draw Thanos out and end it?

I guess they'd need to destroy the time stone ? Though it does beg the question (as with all time travel shows and such), if they go back in time and destroy a stone, does that mean the stone seizes to exist in the future (and thus the snap never happened)?

 

[davidshannon]

pr0xyt0xin

Makes sense

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Not that it's not possible, but I can't quite fathom why he'd pop out in modern day, only to then need to go into the future (where his aged daughter will be). If they're going on this quest to locate the stones before Thanos gets them, then they're only ever going to need to go back in time, not forward. I wouldn't imagine he'd do the time travel on his own either; it'll likely be the result of chance. Scott probably has some very basic knowledge of how it all works, and sees a window of opportunity so takes it. It just so happens he'd exit in the future than the present.

I don't see why she'd go to Titan on her way to Earth.

Surely if that tech existed, they'd have used it already? I'd have thought (when traveling through time) it would be done via the quantum realm and on that ship they appear to have in Ant Man & Wasp, not through Wakandan tech.

I guess they'd need to destroy the time stone ? Though it does beg the question (as with all time travel shows and such), if they go back in time and destroy a stone, does that mean the stone seizes to exist in the future (and thus the snap never happened)?

So if we tweak this a bit an older Cassie with much the same mission as Hank Pym had gets together with a survivor who knows about Pym's tech like Bill Foster and they hook up with Stark/a new S.H.I.E.L.D. and with or without Wakandan aid gets her father out of the Quantum Realm

 

[Shoppy]

Considering he hasn't had any on-screen action since Civil War, I hope Hawkeye gets the opening scene of Avengers 4.

 

[Flash525]

Considering he hasn't had any on-screen action since Civil War, I hope Hawkeye gets the opening scene of Avengers 4.

I kinda' feel he should have got an aftercredit scene in Infinity War; quite simply him talking to his wife/children (from another room) only for them to go quiet, he gets up to see why only to witness the dust settling across the floor.

An opening scene showing the result of Thanos' snap on his family (presumably this is what's going to bring him back into the fight) would just seem too late in Avengers 4.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

To paraphrase Daisy Johnson, Hawkeye was a hero the moment he signed up for S.H.I.E.L.D. That half the world disappeared into the snapture would be motivation enough to bring back a hero who joined the protection from the weird agency in the first place