What does WW need (RT score/Box Office) to give the DCEU?

[writer0327]

Everyone is saying "Well if WW does well, the DCEU is in good shape." But what does that actually look like?

The DCEU needs a kick in the pants critically. I think this goes without saying, and anything in the "rotten" range is a no-go at this point, even in the high 50s. And if it's even low 60s, I think that puts it on shaky ground. RT score needs to be 70% or higher.

Box office results will be curious. It seems lately the line is around that $650M WW range (I'm going with Dr. Strange numbers). Below this amount, WW wouldn't be a failure, but it definitely leaves things feeling murky. Above $650M, I think the DCEU is pleased, $700M they are pretty happy, and anything $750M and above means there will be some chest bumping at the WB.

 

[FunkMiller]

I hesitate to boil it down to RT percentages, as it's a woolly way to decide on a film's merits.

...but, it has to be a competently made film at the very least. It has to make narrative sense, feature a coherent and concise storyline, and not get bogged down in universe building, extraneous garbage. It has to be well acted, well photographed, and well structured. It has to connect with both fandom and the GA. It has to elicit a positive emotional reaction that is crowd pleasing and fist pumping.

In short, it has to show that DCEU movies can be well made and well received.

BO wise? Under 500 million is a disaster, 550 million is good, 600 great.

 

[Flint Marko]

It obviously needs to make money, but it will also need to repair the damaged DCEU brand in the mind of most viewers by endearing us to it's principal characters while also featuring a competent story. They don't need to re-invent the wheel or even go above and beyond, just simply make a "good enough" movie and it will be a win.

 

[writer0327]

I hesitate to boil it down to RT percentages, as it's a woolly way to decide on a film's merits.

...but, it has to be a competently made film at the very least. It has to make narrative sense, feature a coherent and concise storyline, and not get bogged down in universe building, extraneous garbage. It has to be well acted, well photographed, and well structured. It has to connect with both fandom and the GA. It has to elicit a positive emotional reaction that is crowd pleasing and fist pumping.

In short, it has to show that DCEU movies can be well made and well received.

BO wise? Under 500 million is a disaster, 600 million is good, 700 great.

I hate to as well, but I really believe WW needs to be lauded critically.

The 26% and 27% scores from the last two DCEU films were like a kick in the ribs after MoS was so divisive amongst critics and fans. The DCEU absolutely needs a strong film that resonates with the fans, yes, but also they could use a film that is critically acclaimed that they can hang their hat on.

 

[FunkMiller]

I hate to as well, but I really believe WW needs to be lauded critically.

The 26% and 27% scores from the last two DCEU films were like a kick in the ribs after MoS was so divisive amongst critics and fans. The DCEU absolutely needs a strong film that resonates with the fans, yes, but also they could use a film that is critically acclaimed that they can hang their hat on.

Oh Christ, if it's in the 20s again, there will be a bloodbath.

 

[Micromind]

Cannot predict the RT score or the quality of the move right now, but even if it gets good reviews and RT above 60 % and good response from GA, I don't see it making more then 500 mil. as the month is Jam packed with blockbusters.

I'm predicting 500mil as ceiling (RT above 60 %, good reviews) and 350 mil as bottom (average reviews, RT at 50 %) and 250 mil if RT is at 27 %.

I see very slim chance for WW to make anything above 600 mil, even if RT is at 100 %.

 

[Micromind]

Look at the competition for Wonder Woman -


26 May, 2017 - Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales.

2 June, 2017 - Wonder Woman, Captain Underpants.

9 June, 2017 - The Mummy, Fantastic Four 2, World War Z - 2.

Out of these, both FF2 and WWZ 2 are not happening.

16 June, 2017 - Kingsman: The Golden Circle, Cars 3.

Kingsman 2 has been moved to October 6, 2017 but Cars 3 is still there and could take away theater screens and younger demographic.

23 June, 2017 - Transformers: The Last Knight.

Transformers franchise is critic proof and could pose a major challenge to WW at Box office.

30 June, 2017 - Despicable Me 3

So, while some of the movies have been cancelled and some have changed their release dates, still there's enough competition present for WW movie.

 

[idiot09]

I personally dont care about reviews. But I think DC needs a movie that is a critical hit to calm some people and bring back some of its fans. I think anything above 70 on RT and a positive review on Metacritic would be nice.

Whats far more important is BO. Considering WW had a budget about $100-120M(Forbes), break even would be about ~$500M. I think WB would be really pleased with anything above $550M considering the competition in that month.

 

[Flint Marko]

I think it'll easily gross over 500 WW.

 

[Godzillasaurus]

Idiot09, 500 million!?!? That's bonkers, bro.

Break-even would be around 300 million give or take. Plenty of films with budgets in the 150s and up don't even make 500 million worldwide

 

[writer0327]

Look at the competition for Wonder Woman -


26 May, 2017 - Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales.

2 June, 2017 - Wonder Woman, Captain Underpants.

9 June, 2017 - The Mummy, Fantastic Four 2, World War Z - 2.

Out of these, both FF2 and WWZ 2 are not happening.

16 June, 2017 - Kingsman: The Golden Circle, Cars 3.

Kingsman 2 has been moved to October 6, 2017 but Cars 3 is still there and could take away theater screens and younger demographic.

23 June, 2017 - Transformers: The Last Knight.

Transformers franchise is critic proof and could pose a major challenge to WW at Box office.

30 June, 2017 - Despicable Me 3

So, while some of the movies have been cancelled and some have changed their release dates, still there's enough competition present for WW movie.

You know, I forgot how much competition WW is up against....Wow, that's a tall order for any film in any franchise, much less one that's been reeling with negativity pretty much from day one.

The only film I'm concerned with here is the Mummy because of Tom Cruise's star power, but even with that being said, WW "feels" like the hotter movie at the moment. POTC is so outdated I'm surprised they are making another one. The trailer looked terrible, Depp looked bored in the last film, not sure if that one will be the hit Disney is hoping for.

I still stand by my original statement though, WW needs to be a box-office smash, but what that is?? That's the question I'm asking. Is $500M a success considering what Dr. Strange made, given that hardly anyone knew who Dr. Strange was? Even with the competition, WW should be able to eclipse most of them if it is as good as the trailers look.

 

[Boom]

I think the film will perform well enough at the box office, but I have this unshakeable feeling that we have another stinker on our hands.

Hope to God I'm wrong. Wonder Woman should have never had this pressure put on it. It's very distressing that it's come to this.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

I think the DCEU needs a slam dunk right now, to renew confidence in the brand. I mean CW specials, trailers, interviews, and SDCC appearances are all fun. But when it comes down to it the movies are the biggest factors affecting how people think of the DCEU.

At best what we've had so far has been polarizing.

 

[2kt09]

POTC 5 could go either way. Its domestic grasp is all but depleted.
Captain Underpants is geared to a different demo.
The Mummy even with Tom Cruise seems like it also appeals to a more niche crowd.
Cars 3 is still a Cars movie, but its reviews will determine how much of that "Pixar" quality has been injected into it,
thus the possibility of competitive performance.
Transformers is another similarly depleted domestic product and all that remains is Despicable Me 3 which would be the only one I wouldn't bet against.

 

[harlequinade]

Even if WW is good Justice League needs to be too and that's far less likely imho. One good movie after BvS and Squad's reception won't be enough to turn things around

 

[BH/HHH]

I personally dont care about reviews. But I think DC needs a movie that is a critical hit to calm some people and bring back some of its fans. I think anything above 70 on RT and a positive review on Metacritic would be nice.

Whats far more important is BO. Considering WW had a budget about $100-120M(Forbes), break even would be about ~$500M. I think WB would be really pleased with anything above $550M considering the competition in that month.

 

[Zarex]

It's more important that Wondy is a solid flick than it meet any specific financial goals. It would be better if the film does about $400M or so worldwide and gets folks excited about Gal's future appearances than if it earns $100M or $200M more and is another divisive outing.

 

[idiot09]

^500 million!?!? That's bonkers, bro.

Break-even would be around 300 million give or take. Plenty of films with budgets in the 150s and up don't even make 500 million worldwide

Considering its budget is in the higher range i.e ~$120M and a P/A budget of $120M as well I see its total budget to be somewhere around the $250M worst case scenario. Which would make the break even near $500M or a bit below that. I would say best case break even is $450M and worst case $500M.Give or take. But thats a bit of amateur analysis.

 

[hellblazer103]

I hesitate to boil it down to RT percentages, as it's a woolly way to decide on a film's merits.

Which is why your signature includes predictions of RT ratings. Gotcha.

 

[idiot09]

Which is why your signature includes predictions of RT ratings. Gotcha.

 

[The Duh]

Aren't people forgetting one thing?

In addition to mounting pressure from the polarizing reception of the DCEU, Wonder Woman has to deal with the misconception that female-led superhero movies are box office disasters. It has the unenviable task of turning overall perception of the DCEU around and dealing with a stigma that resulted from poorly made female-led superhero movies in the past. Wonder Woman needs to be more than just a mere win for the DCEU (though it could certainly use a critically received film after being a punching bag for 3 movies now).

As for the topic, ideally Wonder Woman aims for Thor/Captain America/Ant-Man-like critical reception with Doctor Strange-like box office. So 80%/$600+ million box office. The financial side might be a bit difficult given the competition of movies coming out around Wonder Woman's timeframe, but if it is critically well received I'd say that would be a big win.

 

[writer0327]

I think the film will perform well enough at the box office, but I have this unshakeable feeling that we have another stinker on our hands.

Hope to God I'm wrong. Wonder Woman should have never had this pressure put on it. It's very distressing that it's come to this.

Yeah, it is disappointing that the heavy hitters struggled and now its up to WW to be the hero the DCEU needs.

I'm thinking the same. It will perform decently, but it will be murky and uncertain if it's not a slam dunk success that no one can argue against. If its in the $500M range, there will still be those who say "Wow....a summer release for one of the members of the Trinity, and it couldn't do better than Dr. Strange? No one cares about the DCEU...."

 

[The Guard]

Box office aside, Gadot/Wonder Woman herself needs to be well received. People have to like the character and want to see her again ASAP.

This is going to be important for JUSTICE LEAGUE, where she will be a central figure. The major draws for JUSTICE LEAGUE aside from the team itself are going to be Batman and Wonder Woman.

 

[idiot09]

Box office aside, Gadot/Wonder Woman herself needs to be well received. People have to like the character and want to see her again ASAP.

This is going to be important for JUSTICE LEAGUE, where she will be a central figure. The major draws for JUSTICE LEAGUE aside from the team itself are going to be Batman and Wonder Woman.

WW was one of the most praised things from BvS. Hopefully people love her in WW as well, and that carries over to JL.

 

[writer0327]

Aren't people forgetting one thing?

In addition to mounting pressure from the polarizing reception of the DCEU, Wonder Woman has to deal with the misconception that female-led superhero movies are box office disasters. It has the unenviable task of turning overall perception of the DCEU around and dealing with a stigma that resulted from poorly made female-led superhero movies in the past. Wonder Woman needs to be more than just a mere win for the DCEU (though it could certainly use a critically received film after being a punching bag for 3 movies now).

As for the topic, ideally Wonder Woman aims for Thor/Captain America/Ant-Man-like critical reception with Doctor Strange-like box office. So 80%/$600+ million box office. The financial side might be a bit difficult given the competition of movies coming out around Wonder Woman's timeframe, but if it is critically well received I'd say that would be a big win.

I thought about that element as well, which is why it really isn't fair that WW has to shoulder this much of a burden. It would have been better if it was only being considered with female-led CBMs of the past, or just trying to keep pace with the previous DCEU films that hopefully would have been solid films.

I think the critical reception is far more important than the box office. People will give WW a pass if it's not a huge BO hit, but no one will forgive another DCEU stinker.