What happens with the Thor movie?

So let's talk about the script for THOR. I'm not a huge fan of Thor, though I do like the basic concept. The latest script for THOR is indeed set in the past, with Asgard and Midgard as the two major settings.

The story for THOR is more or less an origin, and after introducing the Norse creation myth in a LORD OF THE RINGS style opening, features Thor, the heir to the throne of Asgard, as a somewhat arrogant, prideful young man who wants little more than power and prestige. In a nutshell, after he honors Asgard by bringing gnomes and Asgardians together, and has Mjolnir created for him, young Thor falls prey to the call of power, loses control, and is stripped of his godhood and banished from Asgard due to some machinations of his brother Loki. Now a mortal slave of Midgard, Thor has to gain the respect of his new people and fight his way, in the form of a "great quest", back to claim the hammer that was once his, to regain his power and his godhood. Along the way, he learns what real suffering and sacrifice is, and becomes a man worthy of the power of a god, and the protector of Midgard. So, in the end, he turns into the Thor we all know and love. His character development is handled well enough, given his arc, but I can't say that anyone else's is.

Loki is, sadly, as the clear villain, boring as hell, and thank goodness he's got his powers, because his character just seems to be evil for the sake of it for the most part. Loki's supposed to be conflicted over being part Aesir and part Jotun, and much is made of this, but he's never ACTUALLY conflicted, and there's never a valid reason given for why he turns against his people, other than that he wants to be king, and that at one point, he finds out that he was lied to about his heritage. He is very much the "trickster" in THOR, as his machinations are simple, but no less deceptive or damaging.

Odin...is just sort of there. He feels a lot like King Triton from THE LITTLE MERMAID for some reason. Not much to him, really. There are a number of other supporting characters featured in the script, among them Thor's future wife Sif, The Warriors Three, Balder, a young viking named Eiiric, and various other relatively uninteresting people that Thor meets in his travels, most of whom we could really care less about. I think the presence of all these people is supposed to up the stakes, but mostly it just forces Thor to learn to care about other people, and their plights. That's the strength of their inclusion, more than the character's themselves.

There's a lot to like here. The story is very faithful to the basics of the Thor mythology, and Thor, even without his powers, ends up being a likeable and dynamic character, the kind you want to root for. Overall, the script is crowded and a bit random, but fairly well written, and it has the potential to be very entertaining.

I'm of two minds about this approach. On the one hand, the fantasy elements are fantastic. Asgard would be amazing if realized properly. The creatures and Frost Giants and Gods and various monsters would be amazing. The fantasy elements add a lot to what would otherwise be a relatively straightforward hero quest, that, other than the fact that it includes Thor, we've seen before. The dialogue is fairly "stock", save for a few absolutely fantastic bits and pieces. On the other hand, the nature of Thor as a god on modern day Earth has a lot of potential as well. I don't know. What do most people want to see?
 
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So let's talk about the script for THOR. I'm not a huge fan of Thor, though I do like the basic concept. The latest script for THOR is indeed set in the past, with Asgard and Midgard as the two major settings.

The story for THOR is more or less an origin, and after introducing the Norse creation myth in a LORD OF THE RINGS style opening, features Thor, the heir to the throne of Asgard, as a somewhat arrogant, prideful young man who wants little more than power and prestige. In a nutshell, after he honors Asgard by bringing gnomes and Asgardians together, and has Mjolnir created for him, young Thor falls prey to the call of power, loses control, and is stripped of his godhood and banished from Asgard due to some machinations of his brother Loki. Now a mortal slave of Midgard, Thor has to gain the respect of his new people and fight his way, in the form of a "great quest", back to claim the hammer that was once his, to regain his power and his godhood. Along the way, he learns what real suffering and sacrifice is, and becomes a man worthy of the power of a god, and the protector of Midgard. So, in the end, he turns into the Thor we all know and love. His character development is handled well enough, given his arc, but I can't say that anyone else's is.

Loki is, sadly, as the clear villain, boring as hell, and thank goodness he's got his powers, because his character just seems to be evil for the sake of it for the most part. Loki's supposed to be conflicted over being part Aesir and part Jotun, and much is made of this, but he's never ACTUALLY conflicted, and there's never a valid reason given for why he turns against his people, other than that he wants to be king, and that at one point, he finds out that he was lied to about his heritage. He is very much the "trickster" in THOR, as his machinations are simple, but no less deceptive or damaging.

Odin...is just sort of there. He feels a lot like King Triton from THE LITTLE MERMAID for some reason. Not much to him, really. There are a number of other supporting characters featured in the script, among them Thor's future wife Sif, The Warriors Three, Balder, a young viking named Eiiric, and various other relatively uninteresting people that Thor meets in his travels, most of whom we could really care less about. I think the presence of all these people is supposed to up the stakes, but mostly it just forces Thor to learn to care about other people, and their plights. That's the strength of their inclusion, more than the character's themselves.

There's a lot to like here. The story is very faithful to the basics of the Thor mythology, and Thor, even without his powers, ends up being a likeable and dynamic character, the kind you want to root for. Overall, the script is crowded and a bit random, but fairly well written, and it has the potential to be very entertaining.

I'm of two minds about this approach. On the one hand, the fantasy elements are fantastic. Asgard would be amazing if realized properly. The creatures and Frost Giants and Gods and various monsters would be amazing. The fantasy elements add a lot to what would otherwise be a relatively straightforward hero quest, that, other than the fact that it includes Thor, we've seen before. The dialogue is fairly "stock", save for a few absolutely fantastic bits and pieces. On the other hand, the nature of Thor as a god on modern day Earth has a lot of potential as well. I don't know. What do most people want to see?

Having read the script, I couldn't disagree more with your assertion about Loki; He starts out a loyal son, and a good man (er God). When he finds about what Odin did to his people he slowly turns.

I saw MANY shades of gray in Loki's character. I honestly consider it a subtle character study and simultaneously an Epic. With the right actor, Loki could leap off the pages.
 
I haven't read the entire script but the portions I did, I enjoyed. Needs a little tweaking hear and there but overall I get a good feeling about it. I had no problem with Loki the way he was written. He seemed like a loving bother and all around stand up guy in the beginning and maybe his turning is a little too slow or subtle for some but I liked it. If anything maybe he can be a little more malevolent at the end but that can surely be fixed.
 
i'm sure we will have all our answers before dec. also i'm sure the blake character will make an appearance in IM2 since thor is the next character on marvel's schedule. lol @ everyone saying the 300 diet, the cool thing about thor is he could be a hulking figure or lean cut and swift....either one will look good on screen.
 
Well, I've read a few months ago tha Mark P was finishing up his second draft of the script. I personally don't want to see Donald Blake in the first movie so I was very happy with the first draft of the script being that a lot of took place in Asgard.

If you put Donald Blake in the first movie we may end up with an ER meets Superman and I don't want that. A lot of our heroes are the same with the secret idenities and getting bullied around when acting human. I want Thor to be different, something fresh. Not the typical superhero sketch.
 
Having read the script, I couldn't disagree more with your assertion about Loki; He starts out a loyal son, and a good man (er God). When he finds about what Odin did to his people he slowly turns.

And in GHOST RIDER, Johnny Blaze starts out as something, too, and becomes something else entirely as the film progresses. None of that means that it's executed particularly well. THOR has a better execution than GHOST RIDER, to be sure, but my point is, just because things happen that could be called development on some level, doesn't mean that the development is interesting or well executed.

There's nothing really all that subtle or slow about Loki's "change", it almost feels like just...self loathing and hatred over the murder of his father by Odin, and he just sort of randomly embraces his newfound heritage because of this, without really thinking about the situation. It becomes a revenge plot, against the people who have loved him and raised him, and who, in effect, saved his life all those years ago by adopting him. Loki finds out he's not Aesir, and BAM, he starts putting this secretive plan into action to get rid of Thor, become king, and conquer Asgard for his original clan, out of a desire for revenge that suddenly exists.

Loki's machinations are subtle enough, but the change in him...while he doesn't outwardly show it, isn't really. It's fairly obvious what he's doing right from the start. What's not obvious is "why". The writers make this "show" that Loki is torn between allegiances, but it seems very "surface" to me. Writingwise, there's "subtle", and there's subtle. I don't consider what's there right now to be any quality kind of subtle. An actor going through story beats doesn't neccessarily a good character arc make.

"Many" shades of gray, eh...there's a token attempt at "shades of gray" at least in terms of what happened to Loki all those years ago, but he doesn't react in a "gray" manner, he's out for revenge almost from the start. He's pretty much the typical "brother who wants power but still loves his brother and kingdom" character, with no real weight to any of it, and little beyond that, other than a baffling allegiance to his original people, but no real aims other than shifting the balance of power in their favor and again, revenge. Essentially, he turns on the people who have loved and cherished him, and the only reason given for this is that Odin killed his real father, and that Odin and Frigg didn't tell him he was adopted from their enemy. Does he want his original people to stop suffering? No, he apparently just wants them to win in their battle against the people he's supposedly grown up loving, who he's suddenly willing to sacrifice? It makes very little sense to me.

I see a character who is evil, who seems to feel guilty about it every so often, but that's never really actually delved into. It just IS. We'd be basically limited to "For a few seconds, Loki looks like he feels bad about what he's about to do" moments, or "Loki looks like he feels guilty". That's even how the script is written in key moments. In short, I just don't "buy" Loki's motivations entirely. It's almost as if he just wants power, and will do anything he has to do to achieve it, but does he have any ultimate aim with that power? Nope.

I honestly consider it a subtle character study and simultaneously an Epic. With the right actor, Loki could leap off the pages.

With a great actor it could come across a little better, but no more interesting a concept. You say it would jump off the pages...maybe that's the problem. There's nothing here beyond what was originally there on the pages, which, to begin with, was thin. I don't see any real depth to Loki beyond the basic concepts. He's the Emperor from GLADIATOR, but he's not nearly as interesting (except that he has powers).
 
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good points everyone, BUT "stillathorfan" I have to disagree with u about the blake situation. We need blake to appear in IM2, also we need blake for the script to thor to set him in the earth realm (this is our hero's punishment by his father odin, NOT MIDGARD). Yes, it may go the same path as other heroes who have an alter ego, BUT it will help with the budget TREMENDOUSLY to have blake/earth moments. I rather an asgard/earth $80-$100 mill then an all Asgard $150 mill or more which wont help thor get off the ground. Lastly we need blake to tie into the avengers, ED norton probably wont comeback as the HULK in human form, so thor is the ONLY one who has a transformation on the avengers team. (BUT marvel could have JUST the hulk and no dr. banner for the avengers...right?)
 
Considering THOR was supposed to cost $300 million with this Asgard script, I'd imagine we're looking at at least $200 plus for an all-Asgard film.
 
I just checked and it looks like Thor's would be composer, Ilan Eshkeri, left the project when Vaughn left. Any ideas for a replacement?

With the tone of the movie, I actually think one of the GOW composers might be a good choice.

Chris Velasco
[YT]FpO1cKWPLAs[/YT]
or

Gerard K. Marino
[YT]sQuWHCdnDiw[/YT]
 
Velasco sounds a bit like Danny Elfman, so why not just use him.
Actually, Elfman would be a cool composer for THOR. Iknow, Danny Elfman is definitely overused regarding superhero movies, but for THOR I think he could do great if he got in touch with his more adventurous past scores.
 

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