Sequels What if 20th Centry Fox took our advice for once?

[TheVelvetOnion]

Could you imagine if Fox gave us the ability to say exactly what we want for a comic book movie... There would be less disappointments... The problem is not always the director, i think brett ratner did a good job on the last stand but was blocked creatively largly by Fox... They try to appeal to all the market so they can make the most money out of the product... But the thing is We are the target market, and if they listened to us, if they build it, then we will come... and bring others, and those others will tell more others and the reward will be greater than the mess they have been making...

A good example of this is The Dark Knight! the director had free range over the movie and look how that turned out...

So what would happen if we were given the power to make such movies like x-men, fantastic four...etc.

Well i bet we all have thought about it... how we all would make the movies... so lets see it, what would be your advice to Fox if you were told to make a movie... how would you have written it?

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For me i would of done X-Men slightly differently, i mean yeah Bryan Singer would of directed it, but i would of said give him more money to make it, that way we would of had Beast, Gambit and Blob in the first movie and it would of been spectacular...

X-Men 2 would of had Archangel, Sabretooth would of returned and working with stryker

X-Men 3 - would of had Sinister, Maurders involved with the creaton of the cure and a second part to the story would be that it turns into a virus causing the legacy virus...

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[Octoberist]

"If the movie is not under 110 minutes, filmed in Toronto, and directed by a hack director, Im not gonna greenlight it".

However, Wolverine seems to be on the right track: Filmed with a good budget, has a good director, and was filmed in Australia. But is it too late?

I hated X3 with all of my might, along with Fox's practices of being a cheap studio. Wolverine may prove me wrong, but they should of 'acted more fan friendly' with X3.

 

[Neto Magnus]

and make the same mistake that Columbia made with Spider-Man 3?

oh yea and wrong forum there buddy.

 

[DMRadz]

Here is the problem with this. Everyone has their own opinion on how the X-Men should be handled from costumes, to the villains, to the order the characters should be introduced. You have some people that want the movie universe to be like the comics and others want it to be grounded. Some want Wolverine to be the focus, others want it as a team. Do you take stories from the comics or do you just take ideas and make your own plot? Who gets to cameo, who gets shafted? Do the X-Men go to outer space, what about Bishop and time travel, how about alternate realities? What about the New Mutants and should they have a role?

X-Men fans would never be on the same exact page when if comes to making the movies. But that's what makes this board great. All the different views and discussions.

 

[Ziggyman]

"If the movie is not under 110 minutes, filmed in Toronto, and directed by a hack director, Im not gonna greenlight it".

However, Wolverine seems to be on the right track: Filmed with a good budget, has a good director, and was filmed in Australia. But is it too late?

I hated X3 with all of my might, along with Fox's practices of being a cheap studio. Wolverine may prove me wrong, but they should of 'acted more fan friendly' with X3.

What's with Toronto bashing...?

 

[DMRadz]

What's with Toronto bashing...?

Toronto is badass... I've been there several times.

 

[Halcohol]

What's with Toronto bashing...?

Ontario is a cheap place to shoot movies. What's with the defensiveness?

 

[RAMORE]

If I was king for a day I would clone Peter Jackson so he could direct every marvel movie right now and i would divert all rights back to marvel so they could get rich, and when they did I would have them lower comic prices to $1!!!! And all comic movies would be faithful and would kick butt!

 

[WeaponXProject]

I would have them give the characters back to Marvel or make X-4 with Mr. Sinister and explain that Cyclops isn't dead, Jean is Phoenix, Prof. X is in someone else's body and alive and Rogue gets Ms. Marvel's powers. Oh yeah, Gambit too.

 

[RAMORE]

Sweet i'd watch that^

 

[X-Maniac]

So you think the studios should have listened to the hundreds of fanboys on sites like this who were against Spidey's 'organic' webbing and who hated the idea of Heath Ledger as the Joker?

 

[RAMORE]

So you think the studios should have listened to the hundreds of fanboys on sites like this who were against Spidey's 'organic' webbing and who hated the idea of Heath Ledger as the Joker?

I stand by what I think not all of fandom. Organics were a dumb unecessary idea. It didn't change the outcome though spidey had many problems besides that.

I loved the Heath pick from the start.

 

[WeaponXProject]

So you think the studios should have listened to the hundreds of fanboys on sites like this who were against Spidey's 'organic' webbing and who hated the idea of Heath Ledger as the Joker?

If you are refering to me then YES I think FOX needs to hang it up. The thread says FOX, right?

 

[X-Maniac]

If you are refering to me then YES I think FOX needs to hang it up. The thread says FOX, right?

Who says I was referring to you? It was a general question that points out the difficulty of listening to fans. Fans do not have a single, unified vision of what any given superhero movie must contain - if they did this site would be a jolly place of happy and unanimous agreement.

Films are made for a wider audience. There is always the hope that the writer, producers and director will make something that captures the spirit of the source material. But they are probably aiming just to make a great film that is as good as it can be.

In The Dark Knight, for instance, Rachel Dawes was undeveloped so there was no real emotion when she blew up, while Dent became Two-Face and died in one film, all without showing the dual personality switches of the character. And yet it's still a great film. I don't know how much of that was down to listening to fans and how much was just great writing, directing and cinematic filmmaking.

 

[DMRadz]

So you think the studios should have listened to the hundreds of fanboys on sites like this who were against Spidey's 'organic' webbing and who hated the idea of Heath Ledger as the Joker?

Spiderman always should have had organic webbing anyway.

 

[WeaponXProject]

Who says I was referring to you? It was a general question that points out the difficulty of listening to fans.

It says "If" in my post...and it also says "Fox". Which means I was not talking about WB.

As far as Batman goes his movies have always had alot of differences from the comics. The Batman movies have been made since 89 and the Adam West ages he has been widely excepted by the general audience. As for X-Men and other Fox projects, which is what we are talking about in this thread, they are just getting grounded since 2000 since the general audience does not know much of them then why change what they are. If you are going to make superhero movies for the fans then stick to fan favorites.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I would have them give the characters back to Marvel or make X-4 with Mr. Sinister and explain that Cyclops isn't dead, Jean is Phoenix, Prof. X is in someone else's body and alive and Rogue gets Ms. Marvel's powers. Oh yeah, Gambit too.

This is exactly why I DON'T want Fox to listen to the fans, because these ideas would be absolutely horrible in a movie.

Listening to the fans would be an absolute disaster. As has been stated, there is no unified "vision of the fans".

In my "vision", the X-Men trilogy nailed X-Men perfectly, because it focused on the characters, and the foundation of the X-Men mythos, and that is the struggle against oppression, the struggle of being different. X-Men vs. bigotry and hatred.

I don't care to see X-Men go into space. I don't care to see alternate realities, or Apocalypse. I don't want to see Bishop and Cable time traveling. I don't want to see cosmic beings, and Shi'Ar Empires, and I don't want to see people taking over new bodies and coming back from the dead. I don't even like this crap in the comics, why would I want to see it in a movie?

I want to see what we saw - bigotry, political agendas against mutants, Magneto's quest for supremacy to prevent another Holocaust, Xavier's quest for peace.

 

[DMRadz]

I don't care to see X-Men go into space. I don't care to see alternate realities, or Apocalypse. I don't want to see Bishop and Cable time traveling. I don't want to see cosmic beings, and Shi'Ar Empires, and I don't want to see people taking over new bodies and coming back from the dead. I don't even like this crap in the comics, why would I want to see it in a movie?

Oh I agree, partly. I hate when they do that crap in the comics. I like when they deal with real issues like you said. I do however, would like to see Sinister and Apocalypse, but not in this movie universe.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

This is exactly why I DON'T want Fox to listen to the fans, because these ideas would be absolutely horrible in a movie.

Listening to the fans would be an absolute disaster. As has been stated, there is no unified "vision of the fans".

In my "vision", the X-Men trilogy nailed X-Men perfectly, because it focused on the characters, and the foundation of the X-Men mythos, and that is the struggle against oppression, the struggle of being different. X-Men vs. bigotry and hatred.

I don't care to see X-Men go into space. I don't care to see alternate realities, or Apocalypse. I don't want to see Bishop and Cable time traveling. I don't want to see cosmic beings, and Shi'Ar Empires, and I don't want to see people taking over new bodies and coming back from the dead. I don't even like this crap in the comics, why would I want to see it in a movie?

I want to see what we saw - bigotry, political agendas against mutants, Magneto's quest for supremacy to prevent another Holocaust, Xavier's quest for peace.

The FIRST 2 movies focused on the characters, the 3rd one just ****ed everything up.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Oh, dear God. Another "Let's make all comic books movies the way 'Dark Knight' was done" thread.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

I dont think you could of done what the dark knight was as a x-men movie... personally Bryan Singer gave us something good...twice. and it was only the budget and time restraints that caused loads of little things that could be picked on. I mean Beast and Blob was originally in going to be in the movies right from the first one.

I spoke to someone who said they e-mailed Bryan about Beast being in the movie from the start and where he would of gone and he said "Hank was set to be like his original hairless design, in x2 stykers machine would of mutated him into the blue beast and if he was in the third he probably would of debated the cure and questioned weather he would want to take it, like he did in astonishing" however singer did not make x-men 3

 

[ms.marvelous]

If I was king for a day I would clone Peter Jackson so he could direct every marvel movie right now and i would divert all rights back to marvel so they could get rich, and when they did I would have them lower comic prices to $1!!!! And all comic movies would be faithful and would kick butt!

I dunno about Peter Jackson. Maybe Guillermo Del Toro. Maybe I'm just feeling nostalgic, but Blade II was a great movie. Too bad that franchise died.

 

[WillardNation]

If I was king for a day I would clone Peter Jackson so he could direct every marvel movie right now and i would divert all rights back to marvel so they could get rich, and when they did I would have them lower comic prices to $1!!!! And all comic movies would be faithful and would kick butt!

wow, kings have a lot more power than I thought they did. I also didn't know they doubled as brilliant geneticists. t:

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I think the best thing they could do is bring in the main writers of the comic for advice. The guys who write the source material know best, so why not bring them in on each film as advisers or something? Why would they ask all the fanboys and fangirls for advice? There is so much bickering on the boards and many people have different opinions it just wouldn't work.

I think after the success of TDK and Ironman Fox have finally realized that they don't always know best. With the new Wolverine film it seems a lot more power has gone to the director, producers and writers. Hugh Jackman himself is a producer, he loves Wolverine, I don't think he would let Fox take a giant dump on his baby. But we will have to wait and see...

 

[Ace of Knaves]

And for the record a film about Cable would be frickin awesome. Set it in the future, maybe have a couple films in the future then in the third he time jumps back to the present and we learn about his past and all that.