What if Iran gets nuclear weapons?

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What if Iran gets nuclear weapons?

Radical religion with hate in its DNA/ rewards in the after life for killing in the name of, combined with nuclear weapons is the single greatest threat to the planet. Almost every political party in this USA would agree with this.

Iran is on record that it wants to obtain nuclear weapons, and use them against Israel. If such a nightmare happened, Israel would counter attack and 100+ million people would die. Maybe more if you consider the radiation fall out in adjacent nations. The land would be unusable for years. The world economy would greatly suffer. When economies and people suffer, war happens. Such an event could spark World War III.

Or what if Iran sells nukes on the black market? New York. London and Washington DC are primary targets.

These are the stakes. Do you really trust Iran? Do you think giving them more time is some sort of diplomatic achievement? If the answer is no then consider what the leader of Israel is going to say.

IMO, the best thing to do is to have closed door discussions with no media. Tell Iran we have inspectors 24 x 7 on all sites. In return many sanctions are lifted. DEAL?

If not, all suspected sites are going to be demolished and the people inside destroyed. You don't need a long ground campaign to destroy suspected nuclear uranium enrichment areas. You only need to clog up the drain of water ( needed to cool the reactors ) and hit them with bunker busting bombs. After that machinery to drill in to subterranean bunkers. Those inside will be captured. It would be a commando type of operation that would not take years on the ground. More like 3-6 months after Iran's air force is out of business.

This should be the USA’s offer to Iran.
 
I didn't realize Netanyahu posted on the Hype in his free time.
 
95% of people wouldn't give a **** that Iran has nukes. But it would change the geopolitical relations in that region significantly, and it would mean that Israel being targeted would become a when not if scenario.

Most people don't have an issue with Iran getting nukes because they'd like to see Netanyahu take a public knock. He definitely does need a dressing down and should be removed from Israeli politics, but a nuclear Iran would do much more than threaten only Israel. Tel Aviv would get hit within a decade, I have little doubt of that. Eventually a radical enough individual would gain power in Iran and do something drastic. Imagine what would have happened if Al Qaeda had access to nukes.

People also seem to forget that relations between different Middle Eastern nations get quite strained too. The fewer potentially mad despots that have access to WMDs in the region the better.

Edit: ^^ I didn't even finish typing and somebody proved my point.
 
95% of people wouldn't give a **** that Iran has nukes. But it would change the geopolitical relations in that region significantly, and it would mean that Israel being targeted would become a when not if scenario.

Most people don't have an issue with Iran getting nukes because they'd like to see Netanyahu take a public knock. He definitely does need a dressing down and should be removed from Israeli politics, but a nuclear Iran would do much more than threaten only Israel. Tel Aviv would get hit within a decade, I have little doubt of that. Eventually a radical enough individual would gain power in Iran and do something drastic. Imagine what would have happened if Al Qaeda had access to nukes.

People also seem to forget that relations between different Middle Eastern nations get quite strained too. The fewer potentially mad despots that have access to WMDs in the region the better.

Edit: ^^ I didn't even finish typing and somebody proved my point.

Outside of the 95% comment, I think you nailed it. I'll offer some of my own percentages. If Al Qaeda or ISIS had access to nukes, I'm 99.999% sure they would do their best to use them. Not even Souvlaki would disagree here.

Forget the deliver method. The CIA says some Jihad type can smuggle his way into to an unchecked shipping cargo unit. The vast majority of these shipping containers are not checked. With food, and a container to relieve himself, the terrorists would only need wait until the ship is at port to detonate the device.
 
If Al Qaeda or ISIS had access to nukes, I'm 99.999% sure they would do their best to use them.

Here is the problem Al Qaeda and Isis don't equal Iran. We already been sold that same line of BS when they Bush foreign policy team tried linking Al Qaeda and Iraq together(because they knew the American public was stupid enough not to tell the difference)
 
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I'd rather they didn't have nuclear power. Better safe than sorry.
 
Here is the problem Al Qaeda and Isis don't equal Iran. We already been sold that same line of BS when they Bush foreign policy team tryied linking Al Qaeda and Iraq together(because they knew the American public was stupid enough not to tell the difference)

Your point might be relevant if only American lives mattered.
 
Have you guys been reading the "Supreme" Leader's tweets lately? It's literally a list of reasons why Iran shouldn't be able to enrich uranium. :o

https://***********/khamenei_ir

I specifically love his "concerned" tweets about violence against black people in the US, while Iran publicly executes people for being gay.

There was nothing in Netanyahu's speech from this morning that I disagree with.
 
Netanyahu's speech today was no different than 13 years ago when he was talking about Iraq's supposed nuclear program. Reading between the lines he basically says don't make a deal, be Israel's good little lapdog as you always have and go to war for us.
 
Here is the problem Al Qaeda and Isis don't equal Iran. We already been sold that same line of BS when they Bush foreign policy team tried linking Al Qaeda and Iraq together(because they knew the American public was stupid enough not to tell the difference)

Iran, Al QaEDA, and Isis have some common goals.

The United States State Department states Iran provides support for Hamas, Hezbollah and Palestinian Islamic Jihad in Israel. These same groups call us the big devil and wish to do us harm. No BS here. Who is to say nuclear Iran won't use these groups for their dirty work? Too risky considering they already aid them if you ask me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism

Iran is a nation with 77+ million people and a lot of oil. They have 50X the power of either Al Qaeda or Isis, which is why these negations are very important.
 
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Netanyahu's speech today was no different than 13 years ago when he was talking about Iraq's supposed nuclear program. Reading between the lines he basically says don't make a deal, be Israel's good little lapdog as you always have and go to war for us.

Apparently you didn't watch/listen this morning?
 
The biggest issue here isn't what's being said but who's saying it. If David Cameron or Angela Merkel said something everybody would be talking about how dangerous Iran is. But because it's Netanyahu everyone automatically writes off any legitimacy to the information. It'll be nice to see people apply critical thought to a topic rather than recycling emotional knee jerk reactions.
 
Iran is too dangerous to have nukes. I feel the same way about Israel. Can't we just agree that they're all *******s?
 
Nope, I watched. Same dog and pony show he's been delivering the last 20+ years.

http://youtu.be/GoYdKaoSdG8?t=1m32s

Then you heard him say a better deal should be negotiated, with tougher sanctions imposed at the same time, to avoid a physical conflict with a nuclear armed Iran.

Iran is too dangerous to have nukes. I feel the same way about Israel. Can't we just agree that they're all *******s?

Sorry, I can't agree with that level of crazy.

Israel is the sane party here.
 
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Why not? We've been pissing a lot of dangerous people by standing up for a country that really shouldn't be there.
 
Why not? We've been pissing a lot of dangerous people by standing up for a country that really shouldn't be there.

That's a ridiculous oversimplification. Also quite short-sighted to say "Israel shouldn't be there, so let's encourage something that could result in hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths".
 
Why not? We've been pissing a lot of dangerous people by standing up for a country that really shouldn't be there.

The Supreme Leader of Iran agrees with you.

...which is why he wants to build a nuclear weapon.
 
I'm not saying that we should let Iran have nukes. I'm just saying that Israel shouldn't be the reason for not allowing nukes.
 
I'm not saying that we should let Iran have nukes. I'm just saying that Israel shouldn't be the reason for not allowing nukes.

A lot of posters in here like throwing around the hyperbole of Israel turning the USA into its "lap dog", but I'm not sure America wants a situation where they have no implicit presence in the Middle East.

Israel and America have a much more mutual relationship than some would like to believe. I might be wrong, but I doubt America wants to take the chance of leaving the Middle East to its own devices completely. There seem to be a lot of short memories around here, not too long ago the Middle East en masse would've condoned any of their number attempting nuclear action against the "Great Satan".

Netanyahu's violent occupation has done Israel's PR so much harm it seems like the aggregate global community are comfortable with a country obtaining nukes that has explicitly stated that it intends to use those weapons against another sovereign nation. So illegal occupation = bad, retaliating with nuclear weapons = justified? :huh:
 
At this point, I don't even think we're having the same conversation.
 
If it makes you feel better your opinion had little merit to begin with, so whatever I responded with was pretty much appropriate.
 
If Iran uses nukes against Israel, they would be inviting the wrath of the US. That doesn't sound like a good plan.

Also, do we really believe that Iran doesn't already have nuclear weapons (or at least the capability)?

I just don't see Iran gearing up for a suicidal war.
 

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