What is DC Entertainment doing? What is their plan?

[The Sage]

Excellent post, Cain.

 

[jmc]

You ever notice that the DCU stories that have the most appeal to casual comic fans are the ones where the characters are able to stand alone on their own and be the best they can be within them? like Sinestro Corps War which is just based around the GL universe or All-Star Superman and The Long Halloween (not a fan of that tale personally but just an example).

That should be a hint on how to approach cinematic adaptations. This trying to copy Marvel desperateness is why DC movies are in such bad shape in the first place. These characters are larger than life.

There are so many mythological allegories to Superman, Flash, Batman etc. that it's a disservice to not exploit them to their best of their abilities in their own individual franchises. This is better than instead of limiting the scope of their vision cause they have to fit in with a singular universe.

I mean I enjoyed Thor but I felt it didn't live up to it's potential either cause it had to be organic with Iron Man's movie universe. This is why Nolan's Batman works. You know they can't run to Superman or GL or anyone so it adds tension and gives the pictures weight because our hero really has to step up to the plate on all levels. You get to see why Batman REALLY is the best that we humans are capable of with a vision like that. It robs it of gravitas if you add capes to the picture.

Conversely you can't have Superman being threatened by Brainiac or having Mongul and Warworld being a huge threat and challenge for Supes if you know it's possible for the GLC to have his back. Robs the Superman story of it's individual scope right there.

I think they should focus on matching the best and most passionate talent to each individual property. Helping those properties become the best that they can become by crafting great stories for these characters.

It leaves the freedom of having space to do what they feel must be done to present the characters to their greatest ability to the masses instead of being limited by a shared universe and a forced and unfocused greedy vision of trying to force a JL movie since they want their own Avengers. It's ironic that they can't see that handling it with more care will mean A LOT MORE BANK in the long run.

The only thing DC movies should have in common is the logo. Aside from that they should serve as a way to show the true diversity of the storytelling available to the DC heroes. Gives an opportunity to present each character's project to great scale and great emotional resonance that way. Cause you have the audience completely engaged in the moment. As opposed to some of them thinking that Superman could conveniently fly in and help The Flash when a rogue has him in a bind. Even if it doesn't even end up happening.

Which will also greatly differ them from Marvel in the general audience consciousness and help them establish their own identity & brand by being leaders and not followers. Of course since WB doesn't have any vision at all I rather they not make any more DC properties into films outside of Batman but it goes without saying that it's not exactly rocket science to figure out a vision either.

That pretty much covers my feelings on the matter. I've said this before but the whole Marvel universe thing is a good idea for a short period of time but is ultimately unsustainable. Give the characters their own playground and make each one unique. Sadly GL didn't appear to do that.

 

[Godzilla2014]

That pretty much covers my feelings on the matter. I've said this before but the whole Marvel universe thing is a good idea for a short period of time but is ultimately unsustainable. Give the characters their own playground and make each one unique. Sadly GL didn't appear to do that.

I agree. The Nolan Batman universe may work even better than the DCU for Batman, because there are no metahumans who are born with gifts far greater than those Bruce Wayne worked for years to acquire. It's Batman stripped down to his essence and placed into our world. The main thing that I kind of miss is his friendship with Superman. Then again, the exclusion of beings of such power as Superman is something that benefits it greatly, so my feelings are mixed.

 

[Cain]

It's really ridiculous. I knew WB was clueless about what to do with their DC brand but damn this is just sad to see. They're looking everywhere for direction and they have the vision they should follow already under their noses. The way they're handling Batman and Superman (stand alone universes) is they way ALL DC properties should be handled.

Focus on making the best Aquaman, Wonder Woman and Flash movie you could make AT A TIME. These characters are too rich to not get the best possible adaptations they could get. Their all very diverse from each other but the one common denominator is that all have brilliant themes and fantastic concepts. It's all a matter of giving it to the people that could properly translate that into a great cinematic presentation for each individual character.

Put talent that cares to bring these properties to life to their greatest ability. The right talent that will make people outside the fan community understand WHY these characters are so brilliant and have sustained for over 60 years each.

Just look at Batman. You have people that didn't think it was ever possible to see a good Batman movie again or who wrote the character completely off altogether after B&R hotly anticipating the next Batman now. Why? they matched it with the proper talent; people who care enough to adapt it with grace. Not only that they didn't force them into a "shared universe" corner which allowed them to make the best Batman movie they could make at a time TWICE already cause of the freedom that space provides.

I don't know why they can't see that their characters being more mythological and epic in scope than the competition's are better off with a treatment that explains why each of these "Gods" of the comics universe is worth a damn in the first place within their own individual universes. Really showcasing their importance to their world and why Coast City or Central City or Gotham City would not be better off without them.

Stop trying to force these properties into becoming franchises and handling them to talent not really suited for them like what happened with GL. Forget thinking of franchise before the first movie is ever even done. Forget thinking of throwing all of these characters into a blender and pressing the button unwisely just because you think that will help you keep up with The Avengers wave. Just make each stand alone movie the best it could possibly be and the rest sorts itself out in time.

 

[Godzilla2014]

It's really ridiculous. I knew WB was clueless about what to do with their DC brand but damn this is just sad to see. They're looking everywhere for direction and they have the vision they should follow already under their noses. The way they're handling Batman and Superman (stand alone universes) is they way ALL DC properties should be handled.

Focus on making the best Aquaman, Wonder Woman and Flash movie you could make AT A TIME. These characters are too rich to not get the best possible adaptations they could get. Their all very diverse from each other but the one common denominator is that all have brilliant themes and fantastic concepts. It's all a matter of giving it to the people that could properly translate that into a great cinematic presentation for each individual character.

Put talent that cares to bring these properties to life to their greatest ability. The right talent that will make people outside the fan community understand WHY these characters are so brilliant and have sustained for over 60 years each.

Just look at Batman. You have people that didn't think it was ever possible to see a good Batman movie again or who wrote the character completely off altogether after B&R hotly anticipating the next Batman now. Why? they matched it with the proper talent; people who care enough to adapt it with grace. Not only that they didn't force them into a "shared universe" corner which allowed them to make the best Batman movie they could make at a time TWICE already cause of the freedom that space provides.

I don't know why they can't see that their characters being more mythological and epic in scope than the competition's are better off with a treatment that explains why each of these "Gods" of the comics universe is worth a damn in the first place within their own individual universes. Really showcasing their importance to their world and why Coast City or Central City or Gotham City would not be better off without them.

Stop trying to force these properties into becoming franchises and handling them to talent not really suited for them like what happened with GL. Forget thinking of franchise before the first movie is ever even done just make each stand alone movie the best it could possibly be and the rest sorts itself out in time.

I agree, though I will say that there is merit in the idea of a common DC Universe to evoke that of Greco-Roman mythology.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

I'd just make all universe separate but have the same actors play the roles in a JLA movie.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I'd just make all universe separate but have the same actors play the roles in a JLA movie.

That might get confusing to casual viewers. If you're going to do a separate universe, then use different actors.

 

[Cain]

I agree, though I will say that there is merit in the idea of a common DC Universe to evoke that of Greco-Roman mythology.

I'm not totally against a JL pic EVENTUALLY. However I think before then you should just mine the hell out of each property to it's fullest potential first on it's own. Not make each movie with the mentality of "oh boy it's another JL teaser trailer so let's get it out the way" but appraoch each movie as "let's make this the greatest Captain Marvel (or other DC hero) movie that it could possibly be" instead. That's the approach that CREATES franchises. Working hard on making each individual film the best it could be instead of thinking "lets make this one just so-so and then we'll have a great payoff in a sequel" which is just a suicidal perspective as a "so-so" movie is not always guaranteed to catch on. Just look at the GL situation.

Within a potential GL, Flash and Wonder Woman set of film series' alone you have the ability to make movies with 4 different lead characters and a GL corps with one property, or a movie about all the speedsters on epic adventures across time and space in another or an adventure of the Amazon women across an epic fantasy landscape with gods and other mythological creatures. All after you're done with already having established the leads of those properties on their own. All bringing something different & fresh to the superhero movie landscape & making those brands even stronger and even more marketable and profitable in the long run. All this of course before a JL movie is even necessary.

Simply because there is so much rich potential in each individual property to sustain and reinvent themselves in different ways if pulled off properly in the long run on their own without having to piggy back off the back of the more popular heroes. Matter of fact THAT approach will make the little known characters into more popular heroes themselves.

You have to allow each property the space to actually breathe and become it's own entity. In order to give each property some real importance and stature which in the long run also adds a lot of gravity & weight to a JL flick. It makes people anticipate and actually care about one far much more if they get heavily invested in each character first. Instead of it just seeming like "Batman & Superman with their superfriends" like many people will see it if it's just forced.

In other words no more "Aquaman is the guy who talks to fish" or "Wonder Woman is that lame chick that hangs around Batman & Superman" broad ignorant statements from your average person. Because movies were made that did a great enough job to really sell the world on what makes the characters and THEIR worlds SO much more than common misconceptions by average people who never read a comic about any of the characters say.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I'm not totally against a JL pic EVENTUALLY. However I think before then you should just mine the hell out of each property to it's fullest potential first.

Within a potential GL, Flash and Wonder Woman set of series' alone you have the ability to make movies with 4 different lead characters and a GL corps with one property, or a movie about all the speedsters on epic adventures across time and space in another or an adventure of the Amazon women across an epic fantasy landscape with gods and other mythological creatures. All before a JL movie is even necessary.

Simply because there is so much rich potential in each individual property to sustain and reinvent themselves in different ways if pulled off properly in the long run on their own without having to piggy back off the back of the more popular heroes. Matter of fact THAT approach will make the little known characters into more popular heroes themselves.

You have to allow each property the space to actually breathe and become it's own entity. In order to give each property some real importance and stature which in the long run also adds a lot of gravity & weight to a JL flick. It makes people anticipate and actually care about one far much more if they get heavily invested in each character first. Instead of it just seeming like "Batman & Superman with their superfriends" like many people will see it if it's just forced.

In other words no more "Aquaman is the guy who talks to fish" or "Wonder Woman is that lame chick that hangs around Batman & Superman" broad ignorant statements from your average person. Because movies were made that did a great enough job to really sell them the world on what makes the characters and THEIR worlds SO much more than common misconceptions by average people who never read a comic about any of the characters say.

I completely agree!

 

[jmc]

You've gotta have a passionate team behind the characters. Nicolas Winding Refn is the only person I've seen openly state that he would loved to make a WW film. Why aren't WB hearing him out?

 

[Hamill-Joker]

You've gotta have a passionate team behind the characters. Nicolas Winding Refn is the only person I've seen openly state that he would loved to make a WW film. Why aren't WB hearing him out?

From what I have read of Refn's thoughts, I'm not a fan of his ideas.

Just because someone is interested in doing it, doesn't mean that person is right for the job. You get the wrong person in there and then you've got another Joel Schumacher.

 

[Kyle Rayner]

I'm not totally against a JL pic EVENTUALLY. However I think before then you should just mine the hell out of each property to it's fullest potential first on it's own. Not make each movie with the mentality of "oh boy it's another JL teaser trailer so let's get it out the way" but appraoch each movie as "let's make this the greatest Captain Marvel (or other DC hero) movie that it could possibly be" instead. That's the approach that CREATES franchises. Working hard on making each individual film the best it could be instead of thinking "lets make this one just so-so and then we'll have a great payoff in a sequel" which is just a suicidal perspective as a "so-so" movie is not always guaranteed to catch on. Just look at the GL situation.

Within a potential GL, Flash and Wonder Woman set of film series' alone you have the ability to make movies with 4 different lead characters and a GL corps with one property, or a movie about all the speedsters on epic adventures across time and space in another or an adventure of the Amazon women across an epic fantasy landscape with gods and other mythological creatures. All after you're done with already having established the leads of those properties on their own. All bringing something different & fresh to the superhero movie landscape & making those brands even stronger and even more marketable and profitable in the long run. All this of course before a JL movie is even necessary.

Simply because there is so much rich potential in each individual property to sustain and reinvent themselves in different ways if pulled off properly in the long run on their own without having to piggy back off the back of the more popular heroes. Matter of fact THAT approach will make the little known characters into more popular heroes themselves.

You have to allow each property the space to actually breathe and become it's own entity. In order to give each property some real importance and stature which in the long run also adds a lot of gravity & weight to a JL flick. It makes people anticipate and actually care about one far much more if they get heavily invested in each character first. Instead of it just seeming like "Batman & Superman with their superfriends" like many people will see it if it's just forced.

In other words no more "Aquaman is the guy who talks to fish" or "Wonder Woman is that lame chick that hangs around Batman & Superman" broad ignorant statements from your average person. Because movies were made that did a great enough job to really sell the world on what makes the characters and THEIR worlds SO much more than common misconceptions by average people who never read a comic about any of the characters say.

The only thing that I disagree, it the whole separte Universe theme. That's the same wall as Xmen: First Class and Wolverine. Both movies are a cronological mess. Let's say WW, Flash and Aquaman get made, we already have Superman, GL and Batman, how do connect them to be JL? Each hero has their on global crisis going, if this was to be treated in a real world scenarion Superman would never get a break nor would Batman in each separate Universe.

Also lets keep in mind that if there was directors that took a chance with each character there all have to agree in what is going to happen and how their going to do it. More importantly, certain characters would need a much help CGI wise, is how to get that CGI to work in the movie.

Which bring one final argument, Marvel does the end of credits cause it gets people going. Fans look foward to those characters, we can't complain to Marvel for doing their job and giving fans what they want. In reality all these posts that we talk about in here is because DC is not doing the job that they should, leaving us wondering if they will ever pull their heads out of their asses.

 

[Cain]

The only thing that I disagree, it the whole separte Universe theme. That's the same wall as Xmen: First Class and Wolverine. Both movies are a cronological mess. Let's say WW, Flash and Aquaman get made, we already have Superman, GL and Batman, how do connect them to be JL? Each hero has their on global crisis going, if this was to be treated in a real world scenarion Superman would never get a break nor would Batman in each separate Universe.

Also lets keep in mind that if there was directors that took a chance with each character there all have to agree in what is going to happen and how their going to do it. More importantly, certain characters would need a much help CGI wise, is how to get that CGI to work in the movie.

Which bring one final argument, Marvel does the end of credits cause it gets people going. Fans look foward to those characters, we can't complain to Marvel for doing their job and giving fans what they want. In reality all these posts that we talk about in here is because DC is not doing the job that they should, leaving us wondering if they will ever pull their heads out of their asses.

My point is you don't worry about that in the first place. Line up all your ducks in one place before you begin firing off shots. In other words don't pressure yourself with such trivial stuff like the bold. That's what HURTS these projects potentially cause you're too busy trying to figure how to make everything seem seamless with something else. As opposed to figuring out how to make it stand out with great conviction on it's own.

In the comic books you have Central City, Atlantis, Gotham, Metropolis, Coast City, Star City etc. all co-existing in one universe yet they're all very distinct from each other and contain their own identity to the point that you wouldn't even know they occupy the same universe if the comics didn't tell you. Giving each hero an environment that reflects his theme better without holding on to something attached to another hero.

Well with the movies in the eventuality that you reach a point where all these characters have their own cinematic identities. Were they were all successfully introduced to John Q. Public in engaging ways and then eventually feel after all their success that you should put them all in one project; you could still do so without any glaring contradictions cause of this.

All franchises will have their own distinct tone but could still be retconned in the future to be that all were contained within one world. You could find many ways to make this an organic connection down the line once you at least have all the solo series of movies and other spin off projects from those solo movies to look at for inspiration. It could be more organized and seamless that way too.

I mean "why didn't Superman show up in Batman's movies?" simple solution "Batman was the first hero" etc.

but my point is don't even start to think or worry about that before your brands are even built. DCE has their work really cut out for them. If they're serious about this they'd work on establishing each hero on their own strengths for a long period of time before even ever contemplating a JL vehicle. Which is why a Flash movie should just focus on being the best Flash movie it could be. Not being worried about how to include cute references to other DC movies or force cameos from Green Arrow & the rest of the DC heroes.

 

[jmc]

From what I have read of Refn's thoughts, I'm not a fan of his ideas.

Just because someone is interested in doing it, doesn't mean that person is right for the job. You get the wrong person in there and then you've got another Joel Schumacher.

Well, there's no guarantees which ever way you look at it whether someone is passionate about it and brings their vision to the studio or whether the director is brought in by a studio to work on an already existing screenplay. I'd much rather have someone who wants to do a character justice as opposed to one who's hired to do so. If you want assurances that X-director will do a good job you won't get it one way or another, it's a coin flip either way, just look at GL.

 

[MadVillainy]

JL should be their last priority

 

[Godzilla2014]

The only thing that I disagree, it the whole separte Universe theme. That's the same wall as Xmen: First Class and Wolverine. Both movies are a cronological mess. Let's say WW, Flash and Aquaman get made, we already have Superman, GL and Batman, how do connect them to be JL? Each hero has their on global crisis going, if this was to be treated in a real world scenarion Superman would never get a break nor would Batman in each separate Universe.

Also lets keep in mind that if there was directors that took a chance with each character there all have to agree in what is going to happen and how their going to do it. More importantly, certain characters would need a much help CGI wise, is how to get that CGI to work in the movie.

Which bring one final argument, Marvel does the end of credits cause it gets people going. Fans look foward to those characters, we can't complain to Marvel for doing their job and giving fans what they want. In reality all these posts that we talk about in here is because DC is not doing the job that they should, leaving us wondering if they will ever pull their heads out of their asses.

I disagree. Marvel Studios beats the audience over the head with the interconnected nature of their universe. The stingers after the credits essentially amount to an ad for the next film, one that often does not involve the character the movie is about. It harms the film's ability to stand on its own.

My point is you don't worry about that in the first place. Line up all your ducks in one place before you begin firing off shots. In other words don't pressure yourself with such trivial stuff like the bold. That's what HURTS these projects potentially cause you're too busy trying to figure how to make everything seem seamless with something else. As opposed to figuring out how to make it stand out with great conviction on it's own.

In the comic books you have Central City, Atlantis, Gotham, Metropolis, Coast City, Star City etc. all co-existing in one universe yet they're all very distinct from each other and contain their own identity to the point that you wouldn't even know they occupy the same universe if the comics didn't tell you. Giving each hero an environment that reflects his theme better without holding on to something attached to another hero.

Well with the movies in the eventuality that you reach a point where all these characters have their own cinematic identities. Were they were all successfully introduced to John Q. Public in engaging ways and then eventually feel after all their success that you should put them all in one project; you could still do so without any glaring contradictions cause of this.

All franchises will have their own distinct tone but could still be retconned in the future to be that all were contained within one world. You could find many ways to make this an organic connection down the line once you at least have all the solo series of movies and other spin off projects from those solo movies to look at for inspiration. It could be more organized and seamless that way too.

I mean "why didn't Superman show up in Batman's movies?" simple solution "Batman was the first hero" etc.

but my point is don't even start to think or worry about that before your brands are even built. DCE has their work really cut out for them. If they're serious about this they'd work on establishing each hero on their own strengths for a long period of time before even ever contemplating a JL vehicle. Which is why a Flash movie should just focus on being the best Flash movie it could be. Not being worried about how to include cute references to other DC movies or force cameos from Green Arrow & the rest of the DC heroes.

I agree wholeheartedly.

Well, there's no guarantees which ever way you look at it whether someone is passionate about it and brings their vision to the studio or whether the director is brought in by a studio to work on an already existing screenplay. I'd much rather have someone who wants to do a character justice as opposed to one who's hired to do so. If you want assurances that X-director will do a good job you won't get it one way or another, it's a coin flip either way, just look at GL.

Agreed.

JL should be their last priority

Agreed.

 

[lespaul59]

Personaly I think the DC movies should take place in the same universe but not the way Marvel is doing. While I like what Marvel is doing but I would have rather Thor have been a Thor movie and not worry about the Avengers. The way I would handle it would be little things like Bruce reading the Daily Planet or Lois mention having to interview one of the other DC heros using the real name and not the alias. And at the most maybe have say Clark in a very small cameo show up in say Batman. But have it so it something like Bruce talking to him to the side and not really be part of the scene. I would have it be some Wayne Enterprises event and you just see Bruce and Clark talking then have somebody thats actually part of the movie interrupt them and that be the end of the cameo. I think the conections to the DC Universe should be mainly easter egg types of things and at the extreme most a very small cameo. This way if you miss the connection you not missing anything at all to do with the story. And the Cameos be nothing more that something to get a reaction like hey isn't that the guy that plays Superman.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Personaly I think the DC movies should take place in the same universe but not the way Marvel is doing. While I like what Marvel is doing but I would have rather Thor have been a Thor movie and not worry about the Avengers. The way I would handle it would be little things like Bruce reading the Daily Planet or Lois mention having to interview one of the other DC heros using the real name and not the alias. And at the most maybe have say Clark in a very small cameo show up in say Batman. But have it so it something like Bruce talking to him to the side and not really be part of the scene. I would have it be some Wayne Enterprises event and you just see Bruce and Clark talking then have somebody thats actually part of the movie interrupt them and that be the end of the cameo. I think the conections to the DC Universe should be mainly easter egg types of things and at the extreme most a very small cameo. This way if you miss the connection you not missing anything at all to do with the story. And the Cameos be nothing more that something to get a reaction like hey isn't that the guy that plays Superman.

I like that idea. I had an idea that if a film in a future Batman series were to have a scene with Bruce Wayne's parents, they mention that a meteor has landed in Smallville, Kansas.

 

[Kyle Rayner]

Well, there's no guarantees which ever way you look at it whether someone is passionate about it and brings their vision to the studio or whether the director is brought in by a studio to work on an already existing screenplay. I'd much rather have someone who wants to do a character justice as opposed to one who's hired to do so. If you want assurances that X-director will do a good job you won't get it one way or another, it's a coin flip either way, just look at GL.

Amen to that!

 

[Kyle Rayner]

Personaly I think the DC movies should take place in the same universe but not the way Marvel is doing. While I like what Marvel is doing but I would have rather Thor have been a Thor movie and not worry about the Avengers. The way I would handle it would be little things like Bruce reading the Daily Planet or Lois mention having to interview one of the other DC heros using the real name and not the alias. And at the most maybe have say Clark in a very small cameo show up in say Batman. But have it so it something like Bruce talking to him to the side and not really be part of the scene. I would have it be some Wayne Enterprises event and you just see Bruce and Clark talking then have somebody thats actually part of the movie interrupt them and that be the end of the cameo. I think the conections to the DC Universe should be mainly easter egg types of things and at the extreme most a very small cameo. This way if you miss the connection you not missing anything at all to do with the story. And the Cameos be nothing more that something to get a reaction like hey isn't that the guy that plays Superman.

I read somewhere a year ago they were going to have Clark Kent in GL for a few minutes, but that didn't happen. I think Campbell didn't want to have any connections with other heroes that may hinder the film's main characters.

 

[Kyle Rayner]

My point is you don't worry about that in the first place. Line up all your ducks in one place before you begin firing off shots. In other words don't pressure yourself with such trivial stuff like the bold. That's what HURTS these projects potentially cause you're too busy trying to figure how to make everything seem seamless with something else. As opposed to figuring out how to make it stand out with great conviction on it's own.

In the comic books you have Central City, Atlantis, Gotham, Metropolis, Coast City, Star City etc. all co-existing in one universe yet they're all very distinct from each other and contain their own identity to the point that you wouldn't even know they occupy the same universe if the comics didn't tell you. Giving each hero an environment that reflects his theme better without holding on to something attached to another hero.

Well with the movies in the eventuality that you reach a point where all these characters have their own cinematic identities. Were they were all successfully introduced to John Q. Public in engaging ways and then eventually feel after all their success that you should put them all in one project; you could still do so without any glaring contradictions cause of this.

All franchises will have their own distinct tone but could still be retconned in the future to be that all were contained within one world. You could find many ways to make this an organic connection down the line once you at least have all the solo series of movies and other spin off projects from those solo movies to look at for inspiration. It could be more organized and seamless that way too.

I mean "why didn't Superman show up in Batman's movies?" simple solution "Batman was the first hero" etc.

but my point is don't even start to think or worry about that before your brands are even built. DCE has their work really cut out for them. If they're serious about this they'd work on establishing each hero on their own strengths for a long period of time before even ever contemplating a JL vehicle. Which is why a Flash movie should just focus on being the best Flash movie it could be. Not being worried about how to include cute references to other DC movies or force cameos from Green Arrow & the rest of the DC heroes.

How are they going to line anything when they don't know what they're doing? GL came out last Friday, no one in DC has said anything before or after about who was going to be the next characters in line (other than Batman and Superman). The Universe issue is about Nolan not wanting to have Batman nor Superman in the same world. That's how I and most people are interpreting what Nolan said. Also I understand that "universe" perse can be that characters main location like you said Flash/Central City, Batman/Gotham City. The question right now is "who's next?"

 

[Kyle Rayner]

I disagree. Marvel Studios beats the audience over the head with the interconnected nature of their universe. The stingers after the credits essentially amount to an ad for the next film, one that often does not involve the character the movie is about. It harms the film's ability to stand on its own.



The point of the end of the credits is to let fans know that they are doing the next movie, it didn't matter that Nick Fury showed up for a later Nick Fury movie, he showed up and you knew that Marvel meant business. The next movie was the Incredible Hulk, there was two references, one to Iron Man and the other to Captain America. Cap wasn't the next movie, it was Iron Man 2, Thor, Cap followed to the Avengers. The end of the film was not meant that the character was going to be next.

 

[akfj]

Personaly I think the DC movies should take place in the same universe but not the way Marvel is doing. While I like what Marvel is doing but I would have rather Thor have been a Thor movie and not worry about the Avengers. The way I would handle it would be little things like Bruce reading the Daily Planet or Lois mention having to interview one of the other DC heros using the real name and not the alias. And at the most maybe have say Clark in a very small cameo show up in say Batman. But have it so it something like Bruce talking to him to the side and not really be part of the scene. I would have it be some Wayne Enterprises event and you just see Bruce and Clark talking then have somebody thats actually part of the movie interrupt them and that be the end of the cameo. I think the conections to the DC Universe should be mainly easter egg types of things and at the extreme most a very small cameo. This way if you miss the connection you not missing anything at all to do with the story. And the Cameos be nothing more that something to get a reaction like hey isn't that the guy that plays Superman.

"This is why Superman works alone."

 

[The Sage]

Warner Bros. still pushing ahead with Green Lantern Sequel

Warner Bros. are still going to produce and fund a sequel to 2011's Green Lantern despite a massive negative reaction and are already looking at Director's to replace Martin Campbell.

I have a source who I would say is "close" to Warner Bros. and he slips me little bits here and there and is always spot on. Well he slipped me another little thing here that is interesting.

"Despite the negative critical reaction and fan boy reaction, Warner Bros. are concerned about the Box Office numbers but believe it will make $400million which is less than the $550million they projected. But they are still pressing ahead and Martin Campbell left because of "differing agreements" with some of the Producers. Warner Bros. are looking at Matt Reeves to reinvigorate the franchise with the sequel as Director. The first film was always there to set up Sinestro as the villain in the sequel which will no doubt prove to be 100 times better from what I'm hearing, I believe at the moment it's called "Green Lantern: Rise of Fear" but don't quote me on that."​

I replied asking him about the Martin Campbell differing agreements bit and he said that it was creative differences in the finished product. He said he heard rumours that Campbell stopped putting his input into the final product at the end of May after "serious rows". This is why the film was so badly put together.

Also regarding the sequel (or Green Lantern: Rise of Fear), he said Warner Bros. want Matt Reeves to direct it who has experience with filming aliens in Cloverfield.

I assure you this is genuine and my source is definitely "in the know". What do you make of this?

I don't know if this is true or not. If so, it would explain a lot and has me concerned. If Campbell's work was ruined because of WB, what's to stop from them doing the same to Reeves, or any director of future DC Comics adaptations?

So what, Nolan gets to do his own thing, but Warner Bros micromanages everything else?

Ugh, I hope they learned their lesson.

 

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They should a better writing team for GL period!