Sequels What is Fox's gameplan?

[2kt09]

Franchise rebooted with X-Men: First Class.
DOFP merely serviced the OT fans with familiar faces. ie Those actors played different vers. of those characters.
Don't quite care what I read/heard otherwise beyond appreciating how creative the explanations.

If the films continue with the same quality, there is no problem.

This is what matters most and you're proposing a moot point. Next!

things would be so clean if they just incorporated the XMEN into the MCU.

If and only if the MCU also reboots to incorporate them OR the current X-Men crossovers because multiverse. Both franchises are too far in to their continuities or too developed with distinct enough societies for either to insipidly shoehorn the existence of you-know-what, respectively.

There's no reason they can't have a dark tone for the X Men in the MCU. A tone like TWS would be plenty dark for the X Men.

Well the reason would be that Marvel Studios has a more proven & successful track record doing frothy features sprinkled with "dark" content.
Something like CA:TWS is rare if not the only one of its kind within the MCU.



Anyways, game plan thread...

They'll do what 95% of Hollywood does. Make movies then announce sequels if they're profitable.

Speculation time:

Singer ends director duties with the First Class Trilogy; sticks around to produce

If the X-MCU or the MutantCU is so built around Wolverine and not Hugh Jackman, well then I certainly can't wait for his clones and offspring.
So, guess what Wolverine 4, Deadpool 2 aka X-Force and/or New Mutants features!!

The next big sweeping trend in blockbusters is going to space or other dimensions/worlds in general *wink wink nudge nudge*

Hellfire is likely to be the only remaining IP still set in the past
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[GuestStar2004]

Wolverine drives that entire universe. X force and New Mutants? They're scraping the bottom of the barrel at this point and it'll only be more apparent once Wolvie is gone. It's so wrong that they aren't allowed to be in the MCU, just wrong. They don't have to constantly interact but they are supposed to be in the same universe.

The tone can be maintained so long as Fox produces the solo films stil, it can be the same setup as the Sony deal

Without the MCU, we will never get to see the X Men we actually want to see. Comic book accurate costumes will never happen otherwise

The universe is ready for a true reboot as wel, this timeline is truly horrible and convoluted, it is time to restart. For sure

Deadpool acknowledges the fact that he is a comic book/movie character so he can be included in the rebooted universe with no problems, just have some throwaway meta lines about the reboot

There is only this much resistance because the X Men are underdogs on an island away from the MCU, people are going to be defensive. If the films continue with the same quality, there is no problem. Fact is, they're running on borrowed time, the timeline is **** and things would be so clean if they just incorporated the XMEN into the MCU, I think it's the best course of action


There's no reason they can't have a dark tone for the X Men in the MCU. A tone like TWS would be plenty dark for the X Men

Your argument is more your preference for them to join the MCU while your reasoning for why FOX would do such a thing isn't a very good one

FOX will not reboot for marvel, let alone anytime soon

Speculation time:
Hellfire is likely to be the only remaining IP still set in the past

Since Singer has hinted about continuing with the new cast from X-Men: Apocalypse i would say thats unlikely to be true

 

[Rorschach2012]

Think what you want Fox fans, they will connect to the MCU once they realize they are nothing without wolverine

 

[Ryan1210]

The new year has just begun...
Anyway, IF X-Men movies are nothing without Wolverine, they'd rather have another actor to play him than selling the rights back.

I want a X-Men movie, which makes me wonder about the world of mine and theirs, not the one leaving me nothing the moment I walk out of the theater.

 

[ImSGirl95]

I agree with the point of view of Rorschach2012
Seriouslly, outside of Deadpool's future, it's more easy to make, 2 months of shooting and maybe Kingsman numbers at the BoxOffice.
But regarding X-Men and most likely Wolverine, I don't see it.
And if you think about it, X-Men: Apoc will be the first movie to prove how big legs the X-Men has. It doesn't have Jackman and the old cast, and it has Singer as the director.
Well yeah, First Class was that kind of movie, but Singer wasn't a director and almost everybody underestimated it. And even so, the movie didn't do that "wow" numbers at the boxoffice.
So, Apocalypse will be the first movie with no Jackman as the lead, directed by Singer.

Gambit/New Mutants projects ... they will be hit or miss type of things. Unless there is some big surprise. But New Mutants I see it as an X-Men 1 movie, some love triangle, trying to use their powers, etc...
And Gambit, it all depends on Tatum.

 

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[ImSGirl95]

They have no motive to give X-Men to marvel as long as films are successful.

Kind of agree that Rorschach2012 is a little harsh on here. But he is not far away from what he is trying to say.
Back on topic:
The motivation could be the results from the Spider-Man deal. Mind you, Sony was in the same position. They made money from TASM2 and had like 3-4 projects announced.
And the BO from DoFP and TASM2 weren't that different from each other. Even DoFP it is known that it is more expensive movie than The Avengers 1. They had the same budget, but DoFP had more promo. And DoFP is 2x less the money at the BO compated to TA.
And if the Spider-Man will give good results for Sony, I can see Fox making some kind of a same deal. The continuty is bad anyway and the actors are all almost always recast/rebooted. I think they will care less about that.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Think what you want Fox fans, they will connect to the MCU once they realize they are nothing without wolverine

Well there won't be no result without trial so if they did reboot for the MCU it wouldn't be until at least 2020 since FOX are not in financial trouble so they would play as many cards with this franchise they can before they would be desperate enough to reboot for marvel

And by that point where would marvel be with their MCU? are FOX gonna abandon their own universe for the MCU universe where marvel will then have to make excuses for the fact that they do not have mutants in this universe

And even then the whole idea of FOX rebooting X-Men for the MCU is such a minor unlikely possibility

 

[Rorschach2012]

Kind of agree that Rorschach2012 is a little harsh on here. But he is not far away from what he is trying to say.
Back on topic:
The motivation could be the results from the Spider-Man deal. Mind you, Sony was in the same position. They made money from TASM2 and had like 3-4 projects announced.
And the BO from DoFP and TASM2 weren't that different from each other. Even DoFP it is known that it is more expensive movie than The Avengers 1. They had the same budget, but DoFP had more promo. And DoFP is 2x less the money at the BO compated to TA.
And if the Spider-Man will give good results for Sony, I can see Fox making some kind of a same deal. The continuty is bad anyway and the actors are all almost always recast/rebooted. I think they will care less about that.

So true
In time you will see that I am right about this.

And to set the record straight I am no MCU fanboy. I just like good movies. And I think it's wrong for the XMEN to be in their own universe, there is truly no reason for it. Why would any Marvel fan ever want that? Dofp was aite, better than some MCU films but there are plenty of MCU films that top that movie.

Timeline is ****ed and their most important character and actor is ready to give up lol.

These movies are always going to be in last place compared to DC and the MCU. Bringing the XMEN into the MCU is what the XMEN need to breakaway from the underdog status

I really do think the time has come. We'll see how long it takes for the deal to happen. 2020? No way.

Even Hugh Jackman wants to be in the MCU lol. Nobody except for the diehard XMEN movie fanboys want these characters to be segregated like this

It's a matter of right and wrong. The XMEN exist in the same universe as other Marvel heroes, it's not right for them to be in their own universe. The quality of the movies does not justify this. They are good movies, but they could make just as good of movies if they do something similar to the Sony Spidey deal

Deadpool and Apocalypse will be successes. Dp especially because of the low budget. But beyond that, I see all of the announced future films being financial disappointments. Gambit? Give me a break, literally no one is psyched for that movie.

It's laughable to imagine this fox universe without Hugh Jackman, **** is going to fail hard unless he signs on for more

Also **** the stupid idea of incorporating the convoluted timeline of the XMEN movies into the MCU via multiverse. That's even worse than no XMEN at all. Just reboot the whole damn thing, the time has come for us to get the true XMEN. Where they exist in a world with other heroes and where they wear more comic book accurate costumes, and where they don't have the most confusing timeline of all comic book movie franchises

The XMEN movies are good, but not good enough or even financially successful enough to justify this segregation. Add XMEN to the MCU and you've reinvigorated this franchise, and it guarantees more money

 

[Rorschach2012]

Also lets get this straight. Dofp is no reboot. Not at all. It's a soft soooooft reboot to clean up the diarrheic timeline they've dug themselves into

 

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[ImSGirl95]

So true

I really do think the time has come. We'll see how long it takes for the deal to happen. 2020? No way.

I think after 2017 is a good bet.
Depends on how good the Spider-Man performs for Sony.

Again, it's no rocket science. It's possible.
Even if the F4 thing happen and they do it, chances are even bigger for X-Men.
Regarding the two TV series, Marvel are involved in them. I remember that they couldn't do anything about a X-Men tv show without Marvel say.

Again, it's not that hard, and it's possible in the near future.

 

[Rorschach2012]

just wait for new mutants and gambit to come out.... And fail. We'll talk then. Or they could come to their senses before then

Their biggest star desperately wants to be in the MCU. That's hilarious. I had this same argument with people a little over a year ago on the Spidey boards. Guess who was right in the end?

They will make a deal. Fox will distribute solo XMEN films In a truly rebooted universe, while marvel oversees some creative decisions, and they'll have permission to use characters that they deserve to be able to use. This would be a win win situation. they can't even make money off of XMEN merchandise . Whatta joke to think that this universe can last with the way things are shaping up, just being realistic . Anything other than Deadpool and XMEN movies is gonna fail. Hell the recent Wolverine movie didn't even make that much money. It's time.

And if Apocalypse fails or even makes less than DOFP, say goodbye to this universe, seriously

Honestly after 2017 is a good bet, fox is going to want to see how the Spidey deal worked out and then I bet they will finally give in to what is right

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well if X-Men apocalypse does well then they will make another X-Men movie

If deadpool does well then they will make deadpool 2 and with rumor that they may add cable into it then that makes me think if deadpool 2 does well then X-FORCE can't be to far behind as a possibility

New mutant is up in the air currently whether it happens or not and gambit probably will happen when they get around to it

Either way FOX have enough to last them until 2021 because they get desperate enough to think about joining the MCU

 

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[Rorschach2012]

They've got like one more XMEN movie with Sinister. The days really are numbered m, so cherish this universe while you can, it won't last

Lmfao Robbins stop kidding yourself into thinking the XMEN have been rebooted. It hasn't been really at all. That's the most pitiful excuse for a reboot I've ever heard. Just wait bud you're in for a reeeeeeeal disappointment here soon

 

[GuestStar2004]

Again, it's no rocket science. It's possible.

It is possible, just not likely

there is certainly alot more things they would have too get around so its not as simple as lets be friends and make money

 

[ImSGirl95]

so its not as simple as lets be friends and make money

Hellfire and Legion, no?

 

[Rorschach2012]

Fox isn't marvel. They don't have the golden touch. They don't have the ****ing ability to make new mutants or gambit into a success like Marvel did with obscure characters like GOTG or Antman

Everyone cares the least about the XMEN universe, their movies are by far the least anticipated cbms by the world at large. How about they correct that glaring problem by consolidating these characters into where they belong

You have ZERO imagination if you can't come up with a way for the XMEN to exist in the MCU. You are so wrong about them being XMEN in name only. Whatta joke. Look at how accurate of adaptations we have gotten from the MCU, are you just going to ignore that? If anything the fox XMEN universe is the XMEN in name only over the assuredly more accurate adaptation we would get with marvels help (which they are in desperate need of)

 

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[Rorschach2012]

MCU reboot: fresh start, guaranteed more money, precedent exists for there to be dark movies in the MCU (TWS), literally NO DOWNSIDE

Staying at Fox: worst timeline basically of all time, the movies don't even barely connect, the star that is responsible for so much of their success is leaving, and they are scraping the absolute bottom of the barrel with movies for ****ing Gambit and New Mutants, the financial success will continue to dwindle. Basically only downsides here

 

[Rorschach2012]

you continue to ignore fact fox isn't in shape of sony and you really think fox is going to completly turn over Control of X_Men to other studio.everything has said sony basicly turned over everything spider-man to marvel for nothing else but remaining to distribute solo spider-man films.

you claim it's right.others don't agree.

You're so right. Others don't agree. Like five other dudes on this website

 

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[GuestStar2004]

Hellfire and Legion, no?

I assume the difference is fox have creative control over these shows, i doubt very much marvel will have any say in those shows like they don't the X-Men movies, while in the MCU no one can do anything without running it past the other first so if fox wanna do something and marvel don't want it then they can't do it, same as marvel, everything would have to be agreed apon

And i ain't even talking about profit and how how big or small the characters roles are, like if fox are unhappy a certain MCU character has a bigger role then one of the X-Men characters then they would have to come to an agreement otherwise its not happening

There is much more to it then here add X-Men to your playground and make us money

 

[Rorschach2012]

of course they have been rebooted.trilogy and both wolverine films have erased.just like the nutrek films erased most of star trek with exception of
most of enterprise.

My favorate X-Men film-X2 has no relvence anymore to X-Men films.of course there was reboot.

You don't know what reboot means friend