Sequels What is Fox's gameplan?

[Lilbaz]

So far fox doesn't seem to have had a plan. The x-men films snd spin offs are linked disjointedly at best and a total mess at worst. This isn't to say they haven't had good films but there was just no forward thinking of how it would fit together and have ended with split timelines and characters in different eras.

How they are going to go forward i have no idea. Hopefully someone at fox does.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Really there is no reason for FOX to have any interest in letting X-Men join the MCU unless there is a benefit in it for them and really the x-men movies are doing fine right now, sony only gave in because they were a company in trouble but fox are not

ignoring alot of the other issues with a cross over for a moment

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I doubt we'll ever see the X-Men in the MCU. If Fox can keep momentum going with quality X-films then there is really nothing else to be said or do. They'll be making money. Singer doesn't make bad X-films or bad films in general, particularly from a formalist perspective.

 

[chamber-music]

Besides X-Men Apocalypse and The Wolverine. Fox plan is to make Deadpool, Gambit and The New Mutants. If those films prove successful then they will probably want sequels.

They have the Planet of the Apes, Alien and Kingsman sequels lined up.

 

[starscream22]

Cynically, the gameplan is too keep the X-Men (possibly FF) away from Marvel. That means we'll be getting plenty of X-films in the future. How Apocalypse performs will have little bearing on their course of action. I think it'll be big, just not on the BvS or Star Wars level, though nothing else will be either. The only real uncertainty is what they do with the Fantastic Four.

Oh yeah...? So if a film with a $200M+budget and $100M+ for marketing falls flat it's not going to impacted future X-men installments?

Are we talking "wishful thinking" or "good business sense" here? I don't think people realize how little Fox profited from that last X-men film. Sure it was enough to make to green light another but competition is much steeper next Summer than it was in 2014. So how much is playing keepaway worth to them if they could just as easily be in the red this time around....

 

[starscream22]

Really there is no reason for FOX to have any interest in letting X-Men join the MCU unless there is a benefit in it for them and really the x-men movies are doing fine right now, sony only gave in because they were a company in trouble but fox are not

ignoring alot of the other issues with a cross over for a moment

Heard the same quotes over and over again with the Spider-man franchise up until a few days before ASM2 released. And up until last year Spider-man made way more than any Fox-Marvel film had. Sony's financial troubles aren't as bad as people claim. They weren't haven't fire sale.

The same rules apply with any studio... If the franchise doesn't turn a real profit then move on to the next project. Otherwise, by that same stubborn logic Singer would've still been at WB preparing a sequel to Superman Returns after that crappy Giant Slayer movie instead of making DOFP after Vaughn dropped out.

 

[starscream22]

They have the Planet of the Apes, Alien and Kingsman sequels lined up.

I'd have more respect for Fox if it were just those....

Oh and a good X-files movie to make up for the last one.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Oh yeah...? So if a film with a $200M+budget and $100M+ for marketing falls flat it's not going to impacted future X-men installments?

Are we talking "wishful thinking" or "good business sense" here? I don't think people realize how little Fox profited from that last X-men film. Sure it was enough to make to green light another but competition is much steeper next Summer than it was in 2014. So how much is playing keepaway worth to them if they could just as easily be in the red this time around....

Define "falls flat".... I'm certainly not expecting it to make 180 m worldwide. I would guess at worst it makes 650 m but that wouldn't deter Fox from making more X-films. Realistically, I'd say 700 m + is a safe bet, although I'm expecting much more (750-850 m). Again, nothing close to the 1.5 billion +++ that Star Wars or BvS are likely to achieve, but nothing to guffaw about.

 

[psylockolussus]

Remember that time when some people on here thought Man Steel was a shoe-in for the Billion Dollar Club.

Yea, nothing's a certainty...

Or when Avengers 2 was gonna outgross Avengers 1 and earn more than 2 billion.

Cynically, the gameplan is too keep the X-Men (possibly FF) away from Marvel.

Or maybe just to earn money? They don't have to make Deadpool/Gambit to keep the rights, just 1 movie in like 3 to 5 years... They aren't simply making these movies to keep the rights.. that wasn't the case in the early 90s when they got the film rights for x-Men or in the 2000s when the first movie was successful. Its not always about the rights.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

You can't earn money without the rights.

 

[starscream22]

Or when Avengers 2 was gonna outgross Avengers 1 and earn more than 2 billion.

Or when 4stic was assumed to profit a single red cent LOL! You of all Fox-Marvel supporters shouldn't be bringing up old box office predictions! $1.4B is the 2nd highest CBM box office to date! So how is bringing up Marvel's success helping Fox in this case?

 

[psylockolussus]

You can't earn money without the rights.

Or you cant buy without money and you cannot earn money if there is no profit.

 

[the gael]

Met Shawn Ashmore and Omar Sy 2 days ago. Very nice guys, who really love their characters. Shawn Ashmore, unlike Hugh Jackman, seems to want to continue as Iceberg. I never told us that, but I have that feeling from his answers.

Omar Sy and him, on the other hand, aknowledged that the replacement of Hugh Jackman will be very hard. Both said that not only it will be very hard for Fox, but that the new actor chosen will have to be "B#llsy" (Omar Sy said the word in french, and Shawn, who also speak french, add "yes, he will need to have big b#lls !"

The only part when Shawn didn't convinced me is when he answered the question that every Fox actors fear : "Would you love to play your character in the MCU ? X Men in the MCU, what do you think of it ?"

His answer seems to have been well prepared to please both the fan and FOX (Which increased my sensation that he still want to play the role and doesn't want to enrage FOX) "It would be a dream for every Marvel fans all around the world, but maybe there would be too many characters in the movies and the characterisation may suffer of it"

It didn't really felt right, because you're not obliged to add every avengers in an X Men movie, just one or two, and the question wasn't "would you like an X Men vs Avengers ? " but "Would you love to play your character in the MCU ? "

This X Men conference was cool in the X Men actors are really cool (at least Shawn Ashmore and Omar Sy ), but I'm more confused than ever with what Fox's gameplan is, now...

 

[psylockolussus]

Besides X-Men Apocalypse and The Wolverine. Fox plan is to make Deadpool, Gambit and The New Mutants. If those films prove successful then they will probably want sequels.

They have the Planet of the Apes, Alien and Kingsman sequels lined up.

Not to mention Ice Age, The Croods, How to Train Your Dragon, Maze Runner and Avatar...Fox is here for the long haul!

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I thought it was obvious the question implied Fox's Marvel properties, or who cares?

 

[psylockolussus]

Thats the thing though, unlike a certain studio, Fox has other properties to over-see, its not like they have a film division for making Marvel films only. The success of their "other films" has a bearing in the future of X-Men movies, like I read somewhere before that the success of Avatar (which earned a lot of money) fueled Fox's interest to make more X-Men movies. Its the same thing with Sony having a bad year in their film division last year, not only losing a lot of money from TASM but the hacking incident too. In short, its all connected.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Thats the thing though, unlike a certain studio, Fox has other properties to over-see, its not like they have a film division for making Marvel films only. The success of their "other films" has a bearing in the future of X-Men movies, like I read somewhere before that the success of Avatar (which earned a lot of money) fueled Fox's interest to make more X-Men movies. Its the same thing with Sony having a bad year in their film division last year, not losing a lot of money from TASM but the hacking incident too.

That's all fine but the thread specifically asks what Fox's gameplan is... I'm sure it has to do with the X-Men franchise and what ideas (creatively) Fox have for it going forward. The success of future Avatar sequels has no real bearing on this.

 

[x-er]

Met Shawn Ashmore and Omar Sy 2 days ago. Very nice guys, who really love their characters. Shawn Ashmore, unlike Hugh Jackman, seems to want to continue as Iceberg. I never told us that, but I have that feeling from his answers.

Omar Sy and him, on the other hand, aknowledged that the replacement of Hugh Jackman will be very hard. Both said that not only it will be very hard for Fox, but that the new actor chosen will have to be "B#llsy" (Omar Sy said the word in french, and Shawn, who also speak french, add "yes, he will need to have big b#lls !"

The only part when Shawn didn't convinced me is when he answered the question that every Fox actors fear : "Would you love to play your character in the MCU ? X Men in the MCU, what do you think of it ?"

His answer seems to have been well prepared to please both the fan and FOX (Which increased my sensation that he still want to play the role and doesn't want to enrage FOX) "It would be a dream for every Marvel fans all around the world, but maybe there would be too many characters in the movies and the characterisation may suffer of it"

It didn't really felt right, because you're not obliged to add every avengers in an X Men movie, just one or two, and the question wasn't "would you like an X Men vs Avengers ? " but "Would you love to play your character in the MCU ? "

This X Men conference was cool in the X Men actors are really cool (at least Shawn Ashmore and Omar Sy ), but I'm more confused than ever with what Fox's gameplan is, now...

Paris Comic Con! Génial! Où l'avez-vous trouvé? Je ne le trouve nulle part.

 

[the gael]

I didn't found it, I was at the X Men panel, in the audience. I hope that a video will be avalaible someday, because it was a fun panel.

Shawn Ashmore entered by doing the traditional superhero shirt rip, revealing his X Men T shirt.

He said that he was very proud of being part of a loved franchise and that he was a big comic book fan.

He mentionned that in DOFP, his prefered scene is the Quicksilver rescuing Magneto one (and everyone in the audience agreed)

He said that he loved to play a different side of Bobby each movie. He mentionned that his Bobby in the first movie was very different from the one in the comic, more unsure, and was happy to show his transformation during 4 movies into the "warrior" (his word) in DOFP

He said he was sad that X Men 3 was so little loved because everyone in the cast worked as hard as in the other ones, but felt that the mutant cure was badly treated in the movie because it was against what X Men stand for in the other movies (Mutant and Proud)

He mentionned he was cast in another role at first, but was recast as Bobby. Ironically, the actor cast as his original role didn't do any movie or serie after that...

If he had been cast in another X Men role, he would have loved the role of Nightcrawler, because he is a huge Nightcrawler fan, and if he was cast in a Marvel non X Men role, he would have loved to play... Ghost Rider ! ("the guy is so scary and gothic with his flamed skull that he is cool")

Omar Sy joked that he would love to be the new Wolverine, and, more seriously, said that he would love to play Spiderman or, more interestingly, the Black Panther ("I don't know why", joked him)

He and Omar Sy said that the X Men cast and Singer were like a family (it translated with Omar Sy and Shawn Ashmore), that it was due to Singer and that it wasn't the case in most of the movies in general.

 

[psylockolussus]

That's all fine but the thread specifically asks what Fox's gameplan is... I'm sure it has to do with the X-Men franchise and what ideas (creatively) Fox have for it going forward. The success of future Avatar sequels has no real bearing on this.

And my first response to this... they'll continue to make movies because its the nature of their business - which is obviously if the movie makes enough money, they'll do another one which is a standard practice in Hollywood.

You can say that Fox has no long term game plan or whatever... but 15 years in the running and still no reboot, still got some of the original producers, still got Bryan Singer, still got the actors from the first film? That didn't just happen by a blink or sheer luck.

Obviously they have a plan or a routine. The fact that we already got 3 spin-offs after the original trilogy (which they said they were gonna do after X3 was released), then Deadpool/Gambit/X-Force/Legion/New Mutants/Hellfire entering in writing stage and then some of them already entered production or soon will be, is a big indication that they do have a gameplan. They just don't throw it to the public every other month. Anyway, game plan or what ever people may call it.

But like at least by 2017, we would have at least seen 11 movies and 2 TV series (assuming Gambit/Hellfire/Legion are already released by that time). Then there's still that untitled 2018 film.

 

[GuestStar2004]

You can say that Fox has no long term game plan or whatever... but 15 years in the running and still no reboot, still got some of the original producers, still got Bryan Singer, still got the actors from the first film? That didn't just happen by a blink or sheer luck.

When you think about everything fox have done since X2 then yeah its pretty much luck that the franchise ever got back on track

Obviously they have a plan or a routine. The fact that we already got 3 spin-offs after the original trilogy (which they said they were gonna do after X3 was released), then Deadpool/Gambit/X-Force/Legion/New Mutants/Hellfire entering in writing stage and then some of them already entered production or soon will be, is a big indication that they do have a gameplan. They just don't throw it to the public every other month. Anyway, game plan or what ever people may call it.

if you mean game plan as in movies and shows fox have in mind then yeah sure but i think when people talk of a game plan these days i think its often in the marvel mindset of how do they all connect as the franchise progresses and whats the bigger picture in mind here and in that respect there probably isn't a game plan

 

[magneto23]

these days i think its often in the marvel mindset of how do they all connect as the franchise progresses

and whats the bigger picture in mind here

Their best option IMO.

 

[Flint Marko]

The fact that they were once teasing a potential crossover with the FFINO tells me they don't really have any particular game plan.

 

[Lord]

They don't realy have a plan besides Apocalypse. Hopefuly they already know what to do right after that one, the spin-offs can fail all they want, but the main series needs to keep consistency.

 

[Filmfreak]

Yeah, they don't really seem to have a plan, just ideas like others pointed out. The only thing for sure is they're looking at expanding the universe but I'm not sure if they know how or at what length.

With Jackman leaving the franchise for good, Singer start directing other movies and the First Class cast members' contracts getting expired Fox is at a tough spot. Are they going to do another soft reboot and recast some of the characters? Are they going full reboot and start over from scratch to fix all continuity issues? And if it's the former are they going to keep making movies in the past or the future timeline? Or both? There was that talk about the F4 crossover though I don't think that's in the plans now that the movie tanked. There is even speculation that the X-Men may join the MCU which I found extremely doubtful at the moment.

In any case there's no indication that they know which way they're heading as of now. My guess is they're waiting to see how well their already announced future movies are going to be received and figure it out in the process.