What is the future of DC films after the failure of "Green Lantern"?

[Boy Scout]

You are the one who brought up the fact that second tier characters would work better in TV in the first place

Uh...yeah. But you're the one who asked how many of those characters would work on a TV budget. I'm not going to look up every single character and determine for you whether or not they'd work in a TV format.

A TV show's budget is way smaller then a movie's budget, so its far harder to do super heroes in a TV show then a movie, unless its a super hero that doesn't require a lot of special effects. The Question would be a easier to do then Hawkman as a TV show, just as an example.

Very true. I didn't mean to imply that every second tier character would be best left to television. I'm sure some (like Hawkman) have the potential to work as a feature film, or would be just too expensive to do on a TV budget. That's why I asked you for examples.

Maaaaaan, **** Barry Allen. He's about as interesting and charismatic as a goldfish bowl.

I don't really read comics, so I wouldn't know.

 

[KangConquers]

Cut the budget: WB's is still finding it's way with the DC film properties. The company hasn't had a hit superhero film outside of Batman since the mid-80s.

If I were in charge of these films, I'd divy up all of the characters into tiers. Tier 1 (Batman and Superman) would get legitimate Blockbuster budgets of 150 Million Dollars +. Tier 2 heroes Wonderwoman, Green Lantern, Aquaman and The Flash would get budgets no larger than 120 million dollars. Every other hero would get a budget lower than 100 Million.


Fire Geoff Johns, and find real leadership: DC comics has an incredible roster of superheroes that's embedded itself into our cultural collective consciousness. That said, Warner Bros is clueless on how to reach people with these characters. The fact that Marvel was able to make an Iron Man movie that outgrossed any Superman movie speaks volumes about how much better of a job they're doing making their material connect with the general public.

Geofff Johns is a comic book writer; not a film executive, film producer, or film director. Green Lantern proved he was out of his league trying to steer a big budget summer tent pole. Give Johns his walking papers and find someone with a general sense of film.

Chase after inspired directors instead of safe choices: Raimi, Nolan, Jackson and others who have created huge and respected franchises did so with very little blockbuster experience. Martin Campbell meanwhile had tons of experience.

Cast based on talent: There are many Ryan Reynolds apologists on this board. I think he's at best a mildly humorous actor, and at worst an annoying spaz. I would rather see them go with an unknown for the roles of Flash or Wonderwoman than a fairly known actor who most people don't respect.

 

[DaveMoral]

How much can you really foist upon Geoff Johns with GL? The guys comics have a cinematic quality which is what made them the hits they have been. On top of that, his career basically started by interning for Richard Donner. Film is not totally alien to him. The main problems with GL were in the script and the fact that it was never fully committed to the successful mythos that Johns had made of GL comics. It wasn't sure if it was a space epic or a superhero movie and Parallax was little more than what they had already decided on for Legion with Krona inside it. An actual film of GL Secret Origin would have been better.

 

[chiefchirpa]

How much can you really foist upon Geoff Johns with GL? The guys comics have a cinematic quality which is what made them the hits they have been. On top of that, his career basically started by interning for Richard Donner. Film is not totally alien to him. The main problems with GL were in the script and the fact that it was never fully committed to the successful mythos that Johns had made of GL comics. It wasn't sure if it was a space epic or a superhero movie and Parallax was little more than what they had already decided on for Legion with Krona inside it. An actual film of GL Secret Origin would have been better.

Whaa..? Green Lantern the flop movie was inspired by Secret Origin and Johns had his hands over the movie. The Geoff Johns experiment had already been done with Green Lantern.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Exactly, I love Secret Origin as it was a part of a story that had been built up from a couple of years in advance, since Rebirth. Also the film Green Lanter also had much less character development for Hal than Secret Origin did. It showed Hal overcome fear after several months of training. He didn't just suddenly decide he can be a hero.

 

[Rockstar]

Johns had a huge influence on the GL script, hence why it reeked of fanboyism that didn't fly with general audiences.

They should keep the comicbook guys away from the movie scripts.

 

[Rockstar]

Cut the budget: WB's is still finding it's way with the DC film properties. The company hasn't had a hit superhero film outside of Batman since the mid-80s.

If I were in charge of these films, I'd divy up all of the characters into tiers. Tier 1 (Batman and Superman) would get legitimate Blockbuster budgets of 150 Million Dollars +. Tier 2 heroes Wonderwoman, Green Lantern, Aquaman and The Flash would get budgets no larger than 120 million dollars. Every other hero would get a budget lower than 100 Million.


Fire Geoff Johns, and find real leadership: DC comics has an incredible roster of superheroes that's embedded itself into our cultural collective consciousness. That said, Warner Bros is clueless on how to reach people with these characters. The fact that Marvel was able to make an Iron Man movie that outgrossed any Superman movie speaks volumes about how much better of a job they're doing making their material connect with the general public.

Geofff Johns is a comic book writer; not a film executive, film producer, or film director. Green Lantern proved he was out of his league trying to steer a big budget summer tent pole. Give Johns his walking papers and find someone with a general sense of film.

Chase after inspired directors instead of safe choices: Raimi, Nolan, Jackson and others who have created huge and respected franchises did so with very little blockbuster experience. Martin Campbell meanwhile had tons of experience.

Cast based on talent: There are many Ryan Reynolds apologists on this board. I think he's at best a mildly humorous actor, and at worst an annoying spaz. I would rather see them go with an unknown for the roles of Flash or Wonderwoman than a fairly known actor who most people don't respect.

Agreed on ALL of this.

But hindsight is 20/20.

It's too late now. Green Lantern has buried all the other DC superhero flicks that aren't Batman and Superman.

DC Fans should be really upset.

 

[KangConquers]

Johns had a huge influence on the GL script, hence why it reeked of fanboyism that didn't fly with general audiences.

They should keep the comicbook guys away from the movie scripts.

Exactly. Because of the studios massive arrogance, we will never get to see a GL film with Sinestro as the villain. Hell, they were so confident about Green Lantern 2 that they were talking about it 3-4 months before the first one came out. And look what happened? Mark Strong's Sinestro will forever be reduced to the role of cut-rate Obi-Wan Kenobe, replaced by B-list at best villain Hector Hammond.

It's really sad to see the degree of cynicism on this board. Despite a hard lean towards the marvel side of things, I was looking forward to the DC film universe launching, and succeeding. I was looking forward to not only seeing movies for the big seven, but also movies for properties like The New Gods, Booster Gold, Blue Beetle, Hawkman, etc. With even the most die-hard DC fans completely defeated, it's hard to remain optimistic about DC entertainment's cinematic future.

 

[Kyle Rayner]

Cut the budget: WB's is still finding it's way with the DC film properties. The company hasn't had a hit superhero film outside of Batman since the mid-80s.

If I were in charge of these films, I'd divy up all of the characters into tiers. Tier 1 (Batman and Superman) would get legitimate Blockbuster budgets of 150 Million Dollars +. Tier 2 heroes Wonderwoman, Green Lantern, Aquaman and The Flash would get budgets no larger than 120 million dollars. Every other hero would get a budget lower than 100 Million.


Fire Geoff Johns, and find real leadership: DC comics has an incredible roster of superheroes that's embedded itself into our cultural collective consciousness. That said, Warner Bros is clueless on how to reach people with these characters. The fact that Marvel was able to make an Iron Man movie that outgrossed any Superman movie speaks volumes about how much better of a job they're doing making their material connect with the general public.

Geofff Johns is a comic book writer; not a film executive, film producer, or film director. Green Lantern proved he was out of his league trying to steer a big budget summer tent pole. Give Johns his walking papers and find someone with a general sense of film.

Chase after inspired directors instead of safe choices: Raimi, Nolan, Jackson and others who have created huge and respected franchises did so with very little blockbuster experience. Martin Campbell meanwhile had tons of experience.

Cast based on talent: There are many Ryan Reynolds apologists on this board. I think he's at best a mildly humorous actor, and at worst an annoying spaz. I would rather see them go with an unknown for the roles of Flash or Wonderwoman than a fairly known actor who most people don't respect.

With the exception of the Johns, the director and talent comments, I agree with you.

Johns, was choosen because he had helmed the GL flag from the ashes in the comic books...that's it! They made a poor choice, they need it a visionaire not a comic book creator.

The directors was glue that held the film together, that was the direction that should've kept the movie going. GL fail mostly because of the direction, Campbell should've bow out when he gave the film a audience testing or fix it.

The talent really made me mad, cause with the exception of Mark Strong everyone else just sucked. It was Peter Saargard's moment to steal the show being a new bad guy, he has played bad guys before. He could've pushed the enveloped to the limit and he could've taken a few ideas from Heath Ledger (not copy it, nor mimic it).

 

[Kyle Rayner]

"The conclusion to the Dark Knight Trilogy." That what I saw during the previews for Sherlock Holmes, it was shocking and nonetheless amazing! Then after that I saw the preview to the Avengers and everyone in the theather was going crazy.

Now why does it take Marvel less than 5 years to put out a series of superhero films to later bring them together in the big screen and DC barely makes end meet with the same Batman year in and year out and not try finding other venues to bring other heroes to life?

GL was a huge gamble for them and regardless of how much money made or loss the fact is that the money made from TDK PROBABLY covered GL, MOS and TDKR finances to make the films respectively.

There's rumors of DC characters being brough to the small screen. That's the dumbest idea ever, cause DC/WB wants to play it save. Is not like there not a market for those characters.

With that said if DC rebooted their comic book line, the films should be the same. It is ridiculous to begin a trilogy and the guy who is face for the company chooses to say no. Also they give full control to a director who did an excellent job in directing the film but chooses not to be an integral leader to push for the other characters films to be made. RDJ became a household name and will always be Iron Man while Christian Bale played Batman he could forever be remembered as Batman had he choosen to be more of a team player.

Cavill and Reynolds are the only hope DC fans have for a connection in the DC Universe.

 

[Rockstar]

Reynolds is over.

He won't be playing Green Lantern again. He was horribly miscast and part of the reason that the general audience couldn't take the film seriously.

 

[jmc]

"The conclusion to the Dark Knight Trilogy." That what I saw during the previews for Sherlock Holmes, it was shocking and nonetheless amazing! Then after that I saw the preview to the Avengers and everyone in the theather was going crazy.

Now why does it take Marvel less than 5 years to put out a series of superhero films to later bring them together in the big screen and DC barely makes end meet with the same Batman year in and year out and not try finding other venues to bring other heroes to life?

GL was a huge gamble for them and regardless of how much money made or loss the fact is that the money made from TDK PROBABLY covered GL, MOS and TDKR finances to make the films respectively.

There's rumors of DC characters being brough to the small screen. That's the dumbest idea ever, cause DC/WB wants to play it save. Is not like there not a market for those characters.

With that said if DC rebooted their comic book line, the films should be the same. It is ridiculous to begin a trilogy and the guy who is face for the company chooses to say no. Also they give full control to a director who did an excellent job in directing the film but chooses not to be an integral leader to push for the other characters films to be made. RDJ became a household name and will always be Iron Man while Christian Bale played Batman he could forever be remembered as Batman had he choosen to be more of a team player.

Cavill and Reynolds are the only hope DC fans have for a connection in the DC Universe.

Warner Bros runs the show, I really wish people would just get it.

 

[Micromind]

Some facts:

1. Nolan's batman trilogy is soon ending, WB will not make another Bat movie
before 2015.(IMO.)

2. GL movie has failed at Box Office, so there may not be any Sequel.

3. MOS is a stand alone Superman movie, the future of Superman movies will depend on the Court ruling. WB may/ or may not make any more Superman movies.

No plans are there in place for other DC characters except some TV shows.

WB will focus on making movies on Hobbit, Clash of Titans, sequel to 300 and lesser known adaptations of Vertigo comics.

 

[HighFivingMF]

3. MOS is a stand alone Superman movie, the future of Superman movies will depend on the Court ruling. WB may/ or may not make any more Superman movies.

They're not going to lose Superman.

 

[DrCosmic]

"Some facts... (IMO)" <- cute

 

[Lily Adler]

Dark. Possibly very dark.

 

[chiefchirpa]

Some facts:

1. Nolan's batman trilogy is soon ending, WB will not make another Bat movie
before 2015.(IMO.)

2. GL movie has failed at Box Office, so there may not be any Sequel.

3. MOS is a stand alone Superman movie, the future of Superman movies will depend on the Court ruling. WB may/ or may not make any more Superman movies.

No plans are there in place for other DC characters except some TV shows.

WB will focus on making movies on Hobbit, Clash of Titans, sequel to 300 and lesser known adaptations of Vertigo comics.

- There's still a chance with the Flash, as long as they don't overdo with the budget.
- I'm always iffy with Wonder Woman (not so with many here, who can debate about ladies casting all year long) in modern, casual setting. It could work, but the first step is for WB to kill the Clash of the Titans franchise.
- That's two DC properties and many more will follow if DC is willing to give the lesser-known characters spotlight.

 

[Micromind]

- There's still a chance with the Flash, as long as they don't overdo with the budget.
- I'm always iffy with Wonder Woman (not so with many here, who can debate about ladies casting all year long) in modern, casual setting. It could work, but the first step is for WB to kill the Clash of the Titans franchise.
- That's two DC properties and many more will follow if DC is willing to give the lesser-known characters spotlight.

WB really need to kill the Clash of the Titans franchise if they want to move ahead with Wonder Woman, or at least freeze their plans for more Clash movies till they get WW's origin movie out. With sequel to Immortals in planning stages and COTT sequels coming out and Fox reviving their plans for Percy Jackson sequels, a lot of Greek mythology based movies are coming that makes WW movie a lot less special.

 

[Kyle Rayner]

Warner Bros runs the show, I really wish people would just get it.

People get it, but it doesn't mean people can't stop asking for other characters than Superman/Batman.

 

[Kyle Rayner]

WB really need to kill the Clash of the Titans franchise if they want to move ahead with Wonder Woman, or at least freeze their plans for more Clash movies till they get WW's origin movie out. With sequel to Immortals in planning stages and COTT sequels coming out and Fox reviving their plans for Percy Jackson sequels, a lot of Greek mythology based movies are coming that makes WW movie a lot less special.

You are right about that one, she's supposed to be part of the DC Trinity she hasn't been given anything at all.

 

[superion]

WB is not going to kill the Clash of the Titans franchise as long as its making money for a WW film whose prospects at profitability is iffy at best.

Why Percy Jackson which barely broke even is getting a sequel is beyond me.

 

[rayc1971]

i think they will make a flash movie just not with a 200 mil budget like green lantern! i say they could do it for 120mil to 140 mil!

 

[Rockstar]

How can they make a Flash movie? The guys they had on Flash were the same ones responsible for Green Lantern's horrible treatment; Geoff Johns, Berlanti (proposed director) and his team etc

When GL tanked, Flash headed to development hell.

 

[Micromind]

WB have more than one Flash script with them one is by Goyer, other by GL writers and there is another one.

 

[Shazam]

Johns had a huge influence on the GL script, hence why it reeked of fanboyism that didn't fly with general audiences.

They should keep the comicbook guys away from the movie scripts.

Are you kidding?