What makes America right?

[Majin Boo]

Why are we the good guys? What is your answer to this. What makes us the good guys as a general rule?

we are the good guys according to us, not to the rest of the world.
That's how evil doers have seen themselves thru out history.
I would say, right now, we are the bad guys.

 

[The Democrat]

we are the good guys according to us, not to the rest of the world.
That's how evil doers have seen themselves thru out history.
I would say, right now, we are the bad guys.

I would agree with the first part but not the second.

The question remains people. If it is this hard do we really have the right to do any of this? Come on I want a real answer not Fred_Fury's stupidity/rhetoric I want a real discussion on the complexities of our global empire that we've built here.

 

[Hobgoblin]

Very nice, you didn't answer the question. What gives America the right to police the world? Why do we hold the moral high ground?

It shouldn't be this hard to answer. If we can invade countries at will then there must be a reason. Saddam Hussein was a bad man. Why though do we have the right to make the decision on whether he stayed or left? The question isn't this so don't answer it I'm not intrested in it. I'm interested in the question of: What makes America right?

I think it may be a "might makes right" thing. We are the worlds only remaining military superpower. There is a lot of crap that goes on in the world and no one else has the power to stop it. The Soviets used to be able to do some world policing, but not anymore. The Brits and French cant anymore. Plus, I think we just have a "We're the best!" attitude. We have fought in many very large and deadly wars and have been the deciding factor in thier victory every time, except in Vietnam. We have a lot of militaristic pride. So we think:

1. There is a lot of injustice in the world.
2. No one else can stop it.
3. We have a long history of winning wars and freeing people from despots and dangit, we're not going to stop now!

I'm not saying its right to always think that way, but thats the mentality. Might makes right.

 

[XPunisherman88]

Ok explain this to me like I'm a three year old. What is wrong with commies and Nazis? I understand freedom and Democracy and I don't agree with Commies and Nazis I just don't get what makes you think that our opposition to them years ago makes us right today?

We do target civilians. We carpet bomb, we call our bombs precise yet they only strike with in a mile of an area. It is a functional targeting of civilians.

There is something wrong with that. It's not moral. I'm not a niave pacifist, far from a pacifist. Life just isn't stark black and whites as your foolish mind seems to think.

the US hasn't carpet bombed a country since Vietnam, that's why we invented smart bombs, to kill who we wanted and not to kill the ones we didn't.

 

[The Anti-Hype]

Why are we the good guys? What is your answer to this. What makes us the good guys as a general rule?

You think you're the good guys and the terrorists are bad guys.

The terrorits think they are the good guys and you are the bad guys.

So its your own cultural bias that tells you.

 

[14k london spider]

Very nice, you didn't answer the question. What gives America the right to police the world? Why do we hold the moral high ground?

It shouldn't be this hard to answer. If we can invade countries at will then there must be a reason. Saddam Hussein was a bad man. Why though do we have the right to make the decision on whether he stayed or left? The question isn't this so don't answer it I'm not intrested in it. I'm interested in the question of: What makes America right?

my answer is America does not have the right. That's why it bothers me when Kerry gets attacked for mentioning a 'global test' then saying he will never take away america's right to unilaterally or pre emptively strike. I would argue america doesn't have that right. To defend itself, yes. To unilaterally invade, no. That's why the UN and security council and all those pesky geneva conventions were set up - so the horrors of WW2 were not repeated. And since no one nation has any more moral claim than the other, a body which comprises an equality of nations that accord to those conventions is the only body that has legitimacy when it comes to those decisions.

 

[maxwell's demon]

reality television, aka "the news".

 

[The Democrat]

the US hasn't carpet bombed a country since Vietnam, that's why we invented smart bombs, to kill who we wanted and not to kill the ones we didn't.

Really we haven't carpet bombed eh. I remember we specifically carpet bombed Tora Bora. We definately carpet bombed in the first gulf war. The problem is that they've changed the definiton now.

 

[SuperFerret]

"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."

But, seriously, there are no "good guys" and "bad guys", everybody has aspects that make them seem "good" to some, and "bad" to others.

Example; George W. Bush thinks he made the right choice to go into Iraq, many agree, and many others do not.

 

[The Democrat]

You think you're the good guys and the terrorists are bad guys.

The terrorits think they are the good guys and you are the bad guys.

So its your own cultural bias that tells you.

Ok thats a little bit on the obvious side. What gives us the cultural belief that we are the "good guys"? What gives us that right?

 

[The Anti-Hype]

Ok thats a little bit on the obvious side. What gives us the cultural belief that we are the "good guys"? What gives us that right?

Well the media representation of america isnt it. Their language is probably the best example I can think of. "Heroes" is often used alot when mentioning the troops in Iraq (not that Im saying they were or werent hereos) but that terminlology socialises you to thinking that you're the good guys.

And you know, the same thing happens in other countries agaisnt America so really no ones right.

 

[bored]

what makes us "right" is our intentions. so many people think that the things that we're doing need to be done, and they need to be done in the manner that we're currently going about them, that they just say that we're right. obviously, that doesn't make it true.

as for Fury's statement that "we kill commies and nazis", we aren't exactly the only ones who've done that. france and england and the soviet union all killed nazis too, and, despite Fury's objections to non-Americans, they were all foreigners. and we aren't the only country to oppose communism, either.

 

[Outsiderzedge]

"might makes right" basicly sums it up. Not just military might but political might and economic might. We do what we want because we can. Who can stop us.

"Speak softly and carry a big stick" and we don't hesitate to use that stick.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

What makes America right?

Nothing.....because America is not right.
Right now, America is nothing more than the bully outside the school.
America is bigger and meaner and so it´s their way or the highway.
Of course, some Americans are incapable of seeing this.....they are incapable of seeing the big picture...

 

[Fred_Fury]

What makes America right?

Nothing.....because America is not right.
Right now, America is nothing more than the bully outside the school.
America is bigger and meaner and so it´s their way or the highway.
Of course, some Americans are incapable of seeing this.....they are incapable of seeing the big picture...

And liberals wonder why we question their patriotism.

Leave the USA traitor.

 

[The Anti-Hype]

And liberals wonder why we question their patriotism.

Leave the USA traitor.

I agree with Heir's post

 

[The Democrat]

And liberals wonder why we question their patriotism.

Leave the USA traitor.

Way to prove his point. Oh and if anyone here doesn't deserve the freedoms allowed by our nation its you. You have no right to call someone a traitor for speaking their minds. It defy's the entire history of the country. It's almost as if you've had a frontal lobodamy that makes you incapable of real thought.

 

[Fred_Fury]

I agree with Heir's post

As I said earlier, all the anti-americans support Kerry. Why is that?

 

[Fred_Fury]

Way to prove his point. Oh and if anyone here doesn't deserve the freedoms allowed by our nation its you. You have no right to call someone a traitor for speaking their minds.

Actually I do have the right, its called freedom of speech. Go read the bill of rights.

It defy's the entire history of the country. It's almost as if you've had a frontal lobodamy that makes you incapable of real thought.

Its almost as if you liberals hate america... oh wait, you do.

 

[bluejake01]

Actually I do have the right, its called freedom of speech. Go read the bill of rights.



Its almost as if you liberals hate america... oh wait, you do.

Have you ever picked up an American History book? Honestly you sound like an ignorant, hateful, redneck. To accuse someone of a crime is not a right. To accuse someone of a crime that is punishable by death, with no supporting evidence, or basis in fact is a criminal act. You should watch what you say little boy.

 

[14k london spider]

And liberals wonder why we question their patriotism.

Leave the USA traitor.

This is what I don't get. Why does it make him a traitor to have the opinion that US foreign policy is wrong? What is he being a traitor too? It surely can't be american notions of democracy and liberty and freedom of speech, because he's being true to them in expressing himself. So what does that leave? Is he a traitor to the Bush administration and it's pre-emptive policies? Maybe he is...but Bush isn't synonomous with America. So it seems blind devotion to a republican president = patriotism, therefore anyone who doesn't like Bush, or disagrees with you is unpatriotic and traitor. Someone else said it best: you are officially the biggest idiot on the hype.

 

[Fred_Fury]

According to liberals, nothing is anti-american. Wake up and smell the coffee libs.

 

[The Anti-Hype]

You've watched too many movies imo Fred Fury. America doesnt always do things right. Saying that doesnt make anyone Anti American. Surely it makes them more patriotic since they would rather live in a country that does things right ??

 

[Fred_Fury]

If you dont like America, leave. Its that simple libs.

Love it or leave it.

What have we dont thats oh so evil? Sounds to me like you liberals have been brainwashed by anti-US propaganda.

 

[14k london spider]

Can someone explain to me why it is anti-american to disagree with Bush's strike-first foreign policy? This is as stupid as saying democrats are the same as communists - or republicans are the same as fascists.