What makes America right?

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

What makes us right is what many people have forgotten. We are and have been the catalyst for change for the entire world. Merely 250 years ago most of the globe TRULY believed in the divine right of certain people, due to their bloodlines, to have power over others. Our forefathers woke the world up out of that nightmare. Despite the Constitution's admonishment against an established, monolithic religion ( in an effort to avoid the political difficulties posed by the C of E ) they saw that divinity reaches out to EACH of us and that we must allow ourselves to be guided by it as individuals as well as nationally. Our Founding Fathers would be perplexed by misinterpretations of their work by rabid ideologs which have allowed schools without prayer and other craziness which has led to entire generations bereft of a moral foundation. Nevertheless, it is this basic idea that we know what is best for us which makes us right; that we the people should get to decide our course, just as other peoples should decide theirs. This is a good topic to visit right now as the partisanship growing in this country threatens to undermine those very ideals. We have begun to slip back into dogmatic, sectarian thinking rather than individualism. Examples of this are; "Well, he's the guy I voted for ( a member of my party ) and therefore he... can lie under oath and not be prosecuted...his decisions should not be questioned, that's unpatriotic... ( I included one from each party and could go on & on, but I can't type ) I call this the "Political Disfunctional Family Syndrome," like the wife and mother who refuses to believe that her new husband is molesting her kids even though the evidence is right under her nose. She's afraid if she acknowledges it, then it will reflect upon her because she chose him. This is just dangerous. Right now all over America people are sublimating their own morals and beliefs in order to vote the party line for a candidate who does not truly represent ( or care about ) those beliefs. That's happening on both sides & it's what's WRONG with America. But I digress...

 

[bluejake01]

That is so true on what this coutry is founded on. But like anything in this country...most say that was in the past...doesn't matter anymore. Would love to hear what the founding fathers would say.

Let me find you the 43 different quotes where Thomas Jefferson criticizes any government based on religion. Actually...why don't you use Google and go check it out for yourself.

 

[bluejake01]

I feel this quote is oddly appropriate to the discussion.

"We're *****! We're reckless, arrogant,stupid *****. And the Film Actors Guild are *****es. And Kim Jong Il is an *******. *****es dont like ***** because *****es get ****ed by *****. But ***** also **** *******s. *******s that just want to **** on everything. *****es may think they can deal with *******s their way. But the only thing that can **** an ******* is a dick, with some balls. The problem with ***** is they **** too much or **** when it isn't appropriate. And it takes a ***** to show them that. But sometimes *****es can be so full of **** that they become *******s themselves. Because *****es are a inch and half away from *******s. I don't know much about this crazy crazy world, but I do know this. If you don't let us **** this ******* we're going to have our ***** and *****es all covered in ****."

 

[The Spawn]

Who says America is right?

 

[SoulManX]

What makes us right is what many people have forgotten. We are and have been the catalyst for change for the entire world. Merely 250 years ago most of the globe TRULY believed in the divine right of certain people, due to their bloodlines, to have power over others. Our forefathers woke the world up out of that nightmare. Despite the Constitution's admonishment against an established, monolithic religion ( in an effort to avoid the political difficulties posed by the C of E ) they saw that divinity reaches out to EACH of us and that we must allow ourselves to be guided by it as individuals as well as nationally. Our Founding Fathers would be perplexed by misinterpretations of their work by rabid ideologs which have allowed schools without prayer and other craziness which has led to entire generations bereft of a moral foundation. Nevertheless, it is this basic idea that we know what is best for us which makes us right; that we the people should get to decide our course, just as other peoples should decide theirs. This is a good topic to visit right now as the partisanship growing in this country threatens to undermine those very ideals. We have begun to slip back into dogmatic, sectarian thinking rather than individualism. Examples of this are; "Well, he's the guy I voted for ( a member of my party ) and therefore he... can lie under oath and not be prosecuted...his decisions should not be questioned, that's unpatriotic... ( I included one from each party and could go on & on, but I can't type ) I call this the "Political Disfunctional Family Syndrome," like the wife and mother who refuses to believe that her new husband is molesting her kids even though the evidence is right under her nose. She's afraid if she acknowledges it, then it will reflect upon her because she chose him. This is just dangerous. Right now all over America people are sublimating their own morals and beliefs in order to vote the party line for a candidate who does not truly represent ( or care about ) those beliefs. That's happening on both sides & it's what's WRONG with America. But I digress...

I do agree with u.

 

[SoulManX]

The other problem with this country is that there is no third party to fight with. The elephant and the jackass are to power for any newcomer to come to the stage. They kill a lot of new ideas that could turn this country around. I fear a dictorship is looming over this country....if another attack in NYC should happen. Then u can forget about threads like this and your rights.

 

[Constantine J.]

What makes us right is what many people have forgotten. We are and have been the catalyst for change for the entire world. .........

Well, yes, and no, This is a kind of revisionist History that kind of has America (More Like the U.S.A.) were it is today (America is a continent you know?).
I don't think the U.S. is better or worse than Most countries, In fact, many of you might not know this but the U.S. resisted the growing trend in the world (At the time) to end slavery, so much so that civil war ensued (and even that one was not all about slavery) so, while there has been instances were the U.S. has presented the world with a good example it's also to self involved and isolationist in a way, just look at your statement, you mention prayer in school and the lack of it, as a reason people are bereft of moral values, but prayer in school was eliminated to not exclude other denominations, because there are, yet still, a growing rift between races and creeds have prevailed in this bastion of freedom?
It's the exact mindset that creates this, while I will agree with you about voting democrat or republican based solely on party is wrong, I think that there 's far more wrong with the outlook of the average U.S. citizen these days.
at least half of them say they are "Pro-life" when it comes to abortion, but they don't seem to have any trouble with the president killing thousands of human beings overseas, all the while the fiction put forth by the administration dissolving in their very eyes. there's a strange set of morals there, I'm not quite sure how to put it.
the U.S. actually, Is right in very seldom instances, it's just that they are the biggest on the block, so who could oposse?
think about this, Reagan has been hailed as a great leader (I disagree) but it was reagan and his Vp (Bush) who armed Iraq so he could fight Iran.
all the while arming Iran so it could fight Iraq.
see the dishonesty behind those manouvers? can you see how people in other countries could begin to see the U.S. in less than a favorable light?
not only that, but the U.S. has what is tantamount to an empire all throughout the world, and It can do what it pleases, this sooner rather than later will bring consequences.
In the end the original question is "What Makes America Right?" nothing.....
it's not right. further more it does not have the right to enforce "freedom" all through world at the barrell of a gun.
It's peculiar to me, to see the average American say "well we had to save those poor Iraqis, they weren't free" but if you were to ask them if they would endorse their government in helping other countries through non-lethal manners a lot of them would say "Take care of America first!" so....you can see how strange this sounds to any thinking individual.
I was watching SNL last saturday, and it had a sketch featuring Jude Law as Tony Blair, it centered around him taking a vacation in the U.S> because after the Brittish people found out that there where no WMD's his approval rating had dropped. and then he said something like...
"it's admirable how you Americans still stand behind your president even after all the Lies and Mistakes..."

something like that.
It was funny, but due to the circumstances it was not HA HA! funny.

 

[Phaser]

Well, yes, and no, This is a kind of revisionist History that kind of has America (More Like the U.S.A.) were it is today (America is a continent you know?).
I don't think the U.S. is better or worse than Most countries, In fact, many of you might not know this but the U.S. resisted the growing trend in the world (At the time) to end slavery, so much so that civil war ensued (and even that one was not all about slavery) so, while there has been instances were the U.S. has presented the world with a good example it's also to self involved and isolationist in a way, just look at your statement, you mention prayer in school and the lack of it, as a reason people are bereft of moral values, but prayer in school was eliminated to not exclude other denominations, because there are, yet still, a growing rift between races and creeds have prevailed in this bastion of freedom?
It's the exact mindset that creates this, while I will agree with you about voting democrat or republican based solely on party is wrong, I think that there 's far more wrong with the outlook of the average U.S. citizen these days.
at least half of them say they are "Pro-life" when it comes to abortion, but they don't seem to have any trouble with the president killing thousands of human beings overseas, all the while the fiction put forth by the administration dissolving in their very eyes. there's a strange set of morals there, I'm not quite sure how to put it.
the U.S. actually, Is right in very seldom instances, it's just that they are the biggest on the block, so who could oposse?
think about this, Reagan has been hailed as a great leader (I disagree) but it was reagan and his Vp (Bush) who armed Iraq so he could fight Iran.
all the while arming Iran so it could fight Iraq.
see the dishonesty behind those manouvers? can you see how people in other countries could begin to see the U.S. in less than a favorable light?
not only that, but the U.S. has what is tantamount to an empire all throughout the world, and It can do what it pleases, this sooner rather than later will bring consequences.
In the end the original question is "What Makes America Right?" nothing.....
it's not right. further more it does not have the right to enforce "freedom" all through world at the barrell of a gun.
It's peculiar to me, to see the average American say "well we had to save those poor Iraqis, they weren't free" but if you were to ask them if they would endorse their government in helping other countries through non-lethal manners a lot of them would say "Take care of America first!" so....you can see how strange this sounds to any thinking individual.
I was watching SNL last saturday, and it had a sketch featuring Jude Law as Tony Blair, it centered around him taking a vacation in the U.S> because after the Brittish people found out that there where no WMD's his approval rating had dropped. and then he said something like...
"it's admirable how you Americans still stand behind your president even after all the Lies and Mistakes..."

something like that.
It was funny, but due to the circumstances it was not HA HA! funny.

You, my friend, have a very good idea of how the world views America right now. The evident double-standard of many foreign policies of the U.S administration in the past, the arrogance and self-righteous view of many Americans - the "we're right, everybody is wrong, screw them all" approach. The example of the reaction of the British people after finding out that there were no WMD's in Iraq and that Blair had led them into a wild goose chase is a very plausible one.

 

[The Democrat]

Who says America is right?

Oh you found the only flaw in the question, congrats pat yourself on the back

Anyone who denies that there is a certain portion of the U.S. that blindly believes that American military might makes us right is just plain wrong. My question was using a semi-Socratic method was too find out why that was. When did it come about and hopefully to examine that belief. It didn't turn out that way because appearantly no one had a really good answer. Then a little prick turned this into a flame war.

 

[cryptic name]

Nice way to avoid the question.

no, there is a difference between killing and murdering.

 

[cryptic name]

There will never be a definite answer to this question, it's like one of those "why is the sky blue?" types of things. You ask 40 different people, you get 40 differnent answers.

the sky is blue because the blue is the color in the lightspectrum that is being reflected from the sun's rays

 

[Corinthian™]

not going to read through a lot of uninformed crap from teenagers who've been rised to think "America is the superior nation"...

I'm not going to answer anything but I'm sure going to tell you this...

By almost all Latin america, almost all arabic/persian nations and other countries that had tasted the bitterness of US of A, USA IS the bad guy... by everyone else USa is just plain stupid... not saying anything that I haven't heard...

 

[DIZZY MOONBEAM]

not going to read through a lot of uninformed crap from teenagers who've been rised to think "America is the superior nation"...

I'm not going to answer anything but I'm sure going to tell you this...

By almost all Latin america, almost all arabic/persian nations and other countries that had tasted the bitterness of US of A, USA IS the bad guy... by everyone else USa is just plain stupid... not saying anything that I haven't heard...

O.K. if we are so bad than how come we have more and more Latino's moving into our state everyday. If it was such a "evil" nation you would think everyone would stay away instead of move in.

 

[Corinthian™]

O.K. if we are so bad than how come we have more and more Latino's moving into our state everyday. If it was such a "evil" nation you would think everyone would stay away instead of move in.

Not saying "evil"... just bad... and why? because our people is dying thanks to the ****ty goverment around... you got Castro, ****ing corrupt mexican goverment, narc-full countries in the middle and of course, almost economy colapsing countries on the south...

 

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

not going to read through a lot of uninformed crap from teenagers who've been rised to think "America is the superior nation"...

I'm not going to answer anything but I'm sure going to tell you this...

By almost all Latin america, almost all arabic/persian nations and other countries that had tasted the bitterness of US of A, USA IS the bad guy... by everyone else USa is just plain stupid... not saying anything that I haven't heard...

Maybe your just hearing a small portion of it? I personally I have been all across Europe; England, Ireland, Wales, Austria, Italy, France, and Switzerland and when I was there I didn't here a single line of that "The US is what's wrong with the world" bull****. The only place I was ever discriminated on because of my nationality was in France. Those ****ing bastards kicked me out of a store because I was American. I, however, told the guy to kiss my white Amercian ass.

 

[Corinthian™]

by the by... not dissing the people... people are almost like us... I'm dissing the gov....

 

[Alonsovich]

Nobody is right. Only I am...

 

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

You spelled beauty wrong in your Title Corinthian.

 

[Alonsovich]

not going to read through a lot of uninformed crap from teenagers who've been rised to think "America is the superior nation"...

I'm not going to answer anything but I'm sure going to tell you this...

By almost all Latin america, almost all arabic/persian nations and other countries that had tasted the bitterness of US of A, USA IS the bad guy... by everyone else USa is just plain stupid... not saying anything that I haven't heard...

I couldn't care less about what arabic/persian nations say about bad guys...

 

[Corinthian™]

Maybe your just hearing a small portion of it? I personally I have been all across Europe; England, Ireland, Wales, Austria, Italy, France, and Switzerland and when I was there I didn't here a single line of that "The US is what's wrong with the world" bull****. The only place I was ever discriminated on because of my nationality was in France. Those ****ing bastards kicked me out of a store because I was American. I, however, told the guy to kiss my white Amercian ass.

again... not dissing the people...

****... I know a lot of you who think that thanks to the ****ty work over there, you guys are being descriminated...

when US people come to my town I try to be nice of them, speaking to them in english... trying to show how we try to be nice, so they can spread the word and try to not shoot my people when crossing the border... hell... I'm actually trying to apply to an American College.. because I know I can get more oportunities there...

 

[bluejake01]

no, there is a difference between killing and murdering.

Explain the difference to me. Was 9/11 murder? or Killing?

 

[Corinthian™]

You spelled beauty wrong in your Title Corinthian.

Shhh... it is beuty... it's like another term of beauty

 

[The Democrat]

Not saying "evil"... just bad... and why? because our people is dying thanks to the ****ty goverment around... you got Castro, ****ing corrupt mexican goverment, narc-full countries in the middle and of course, almost economy colapsing countries on the south...

Yes and most of that was caused by my government and for that I apologize. I really wish that we could do something for folks like you.

 

[Alonsovich]

Yes and most of that was caused by my government and for that I apologize. I really wish that we could do something for folks like you.

Not really, Castro was not the fault of the USA. It was the USSR. The mexican government is not corrupt due to the US, it's because they've been like that since 100 years ago. Narc-full countries is not fault of the USA, it's the fault of the mafias that live of it, fault of the quantity of money it movies and fault of the own countries because if they end it, they end the way of life of 70% of their population. I don't see why you have to apologize for that. Oh, and this is said by a European...

 

[Corinthian™]

Not really, Castro was not the fault of the USA. It was the USSR. The mexican government is not corrupt due to the US, it's because they've been like that since 100 years ago. Narc-full countries is not fault of the USA, it's the fault of the mafias that live of it, fault of the quantity of money it movies and fault of the own countries because if they end it, they end the way of life of 70% of their population. I don't see why you have to apologize for that. Oh, and this is said by a European...

"an" my friend... and one stupid spaniard-like one