What other superheroes should make cameos in Smallville?

[Tim Drake]

No it doesn't. In the comics, Connor is the name given to Superboy by either Superman or the Kents when he decides to live a civilian identity as CK's cousin. If you were to use my idea, Clark could name Superboy Connor in honor of his first teenage clone.

Thats repetitive though, and kind of silly when you think about it.

I think logically, (if you feel compelled to do the clone story this early on) you should use Bizzaro first. He's far less perfected than any type of Conner-like clone and pretty rough around the edges. Hes pretty much an experiment gone wrong.

Personally I wouldnt use either at this point in time, Clarks only 18. This stuff can wait till hes Superman. It doesnt do much, writing-wise, to show a teenage clone of Clark Kent, when Clark himself is still a conflicted teen. At least with Superman, the differences between him and Conner are pretty big.

 

[The Sage]

Thats repetitive though, and kind of silly when you think about it.

I think logically, (if you feel compelled to do the clone story this early on) you should use Bizzaro first. He's far less perfected than any type of Conner-like clone and pretty rough around the edges. Hes pretty much an experiment gone wrong.

Personally I wouldnt use either at this point in time, Clarks only 18. This stuff can wait till hes Superman. It doesnt do much, writing-wise, to show a teenage clone of Clark Kent, when Clark himself is still a conflicted teen. At least with Superman, the differences between him and Conner are pretty big.

Connor can be 13 to 14, Clark can be what he is now...19. At this point, Clark isn't a conflicted teen, he's a young adult trying to hold on to his current life instead of moving forward with his destiny. Connor can be someone who's discovering that he's a clone of someone else, he doesn't have a childhood, and he feels that he's not real. For goodness sakes, this is good stuff! Their interactions would be the sweetest.

In any case, you could easily do Connor and Bizarro at the same time.

 

[Tim Drake]

At the same time? thats just overkill. How would you explain them having one primative clone like Bizzaro and then one perfect clone like Connor?

This whole thing your proposing reminds me of a Star Trek episode named "Similitude"...an episode that raised the moral question about clone rights and even the deeper question over whether a clone was a real being with a soul, or simply a copy.

I guess your idea could work for one episode IF handled properly and not written as a complete departure from the comics...but it should only be for a one-episode standalone....not an entire arc devoted to this.

 

[AgentPat]

Double Meh.

The majority of kids had no idea about the complexities and facets of the DCU but when developing the DCAU cartoons; Batman TAS, Superman TAS, JLU etc.. they did it in a manner that was still true (and close) to the comic storylines and yet made it easy for kids to comprehend what was going on.

Smallville is just mainly Millar's own artistic view for Superman and how he would have handled it. All I'm saying its my own personal preference is for a series closer to the source material like the animated series. The DCAU proves that such a series would work just as well with audiences that have no clue about the details of the DCU.

Well, whatever floats your boat man. The cartoons are still there for your enjoyment. SV's just another TV show. It's entertainment. It happens to be a different take on Superman. Some people like it. Some people loathe it. And some people are just indifferent to it. As a fan of the character and the comics, you can enjoy it for what it is, or you can piss and moan about it. It's not going to matter in the long run though because it's still gonna be what it is: a different take on Superman.

Call me crazy, but that's one of the things I love about the show. It's different.

I swear, comic fans are their own worst enemies.

 

[King Ruler]

Another idea, it'd be interesting if the Question (as Vic) made an appearance as a tabloid reporter, searching for stories in Smallville, home of all sorts of odd happenings. There he runs in to Clark and cop John Jones (J'onn J'onnz), and after the whole episode or whatever, John and Vic leave Smallville together, becoming some sort of duo (which could open the door to a spin-off starring "The Question" and "The Martian Manhunter" in an X-Files-esque/"Supernatural" show or something.

Who WOULDN'T want to see that? A spin-off starring a paranoid tabloid reporter who is a conspiracy nut, along with an alien disguised as a cop as his partner?

 

[Tim Drake]

Well, whatever floats your boat man. The cartoons are still there for your enjoyment. SV's just another TV show. It's entertainment. It happens to be a different take on Superman. Some people like it. Some people loathe it. And some people are just indifferent to it. As a fan of the character and the comics, you can enjoy it for what it is, or you can piss and moan about it. It's not going to matter in the long run though because it's still gonna be what it is: a different take on Superman.

Call me crazy, but that's one of the things I love about the show. It's different.

I swear, comic fans are their own worst enemies.

Not at all. The same can be said about Schumaccer's Batman movies. They were "different"...very...but it doesnt neccessarily make them good or mean I have to like them.

My person preference is the comics and the source material, thats why I prefered "Batman Begins" which was alot closer to the real stuff than the previous movies.

At this point Im kind of indifferent to Smallville. Its pretty inconsistant with its episodes; meaning there are good ones and bad ones that vary from week to week. The concept itself has potential but I would have enjoyed it more if it did better service to the comics (which to me is the core and root of the Superman mythos).

That being said, this entire rant was just to point out my dislike with the idea of using Connor this early on. Since they arent really doing it, no point to continue this. Hopefully theyll be smart enough not to do it in the long-run.

 

[Serene]

I think your storyline idea rocks, Sage.

 

[Tim Drake]

Another idea, it'd be interesting if the Question (as Vic) made an appearance as a tabloid reporter, searching for stories in Smallville, home of all sorts of odd happenings. There he runs in to Clark and cop John Jones (J'onn J'onnz), and after the whole episode or whatever, John and Vic leave Smallville together, becoming some sort of duo (which could open the door to a spin-off starring "The Question" and "The Martian Manhunter" in an X-Files-esque/"Supernatural" show or something.

Who WOULDN'T want to see that? A spin-off starring a paranoid tabloid reporter who is a conspiracy nut, along with an alien disguised as a cop as his partner?

I once considered the idea of Vic Sage being a paranoid conspiricy theorist at Clark's university who got kicked out for his insane theories....

But "The Question" is a character more closely related to the Batman family. I'd prefer not to use him in this series.

And its way too early to justify bringing in Martian Manhunter! You'd have to totally rework and reinvent that character to make him fit at this point in time, and that would ruin him.

 

[AgentPat]

Not at all. The same can be said about Schumaccer's Batman movies. They were "different"...very...but it doesnt neccessarily make them good or mean I have to like them.

Quite true. But do you complain about Schumacher and his Batman films in the Batman forums too?

At this point Im kind of indifferent to Smallville.

See, this is what I don't understand. I've logged about 30 posts in the SR forums over the last two months compared to about 500 in the SV forums in the same period of time. That's being indifferent.

In your 9 days on the Hype, you've posted over 80 messages in the SV forums with the remaining 30 or so being posted in all other forums (including comics) combined. I dunno. I wouldn't call that being indifferent to the show.

Just making an observation, that's all.

 

[triplet]

It's a love-hate relationship, clearly...

 

[Brainiac 8]

Quite true. But do you complain about Schumacher and his Batman films in the Batman forums too?

You know what I complain about.....Bat Nipples! I mean...EWWWWW!!!

 

[Kaboom]

i now its been said, but i think a green arrow episode would be great....a non powered guy teaching clark that its not powers that make someone a hero but the willingness to do the right thing.....

i'd also get excited to see john henry irons
maybe a hawgirl.

 

[Tim Drake]

Quite true. But do you complain about Schumacher and his Batman films in the Batman forums too?

See, this is what I don't understand. I've logged about 30 posts in the SR forums over the last two months compared to about 500 in the SV forums in the same period of time. That's being indifferent.

In your 9 days on the Hype, you've posted over 80 messages in the SV forums with the remaining 30 or so being posted in all other forums (including comics) combined. I dunno. I wouldn't call that being indifferent to the show.

Just making an observation, that's all.

Well look at the context of my 'complaint' it only pertains to the hypothetical scenario of using 'Connor' on Smallville...which is likely never to happen. I was just stating my reasons against such a move.

I do my Smallville posting on SHH (since I think this is the most decent Smallville board...which is a rare thing)..

and my Superman posting on Bluetights...

 

[Tim Drake]

i now its been said, but i think a green arrow episode would be great....a non powered guy teaching clark that its not powers that make someone a hero but the willingness to do the right thing.....

i'd also get excited to see john henry irons
maybe a hawgirl.

Hawkgirl? If anything it should be bloody Hawkman...Carter effin Hall.

Hes the man, Hawkgirl is just his accessory (like Supergirl to Superman).

All that said, I doubt his rights would be tied up so Millar and Gough... you should use Carter Hall and Oliver Queen next season!

 

[Kaboom]

ok, i jut thought of this.......what if a dying gl comes to earth to give clark his power ring (kal-el is suposed to be the green lantern of krypton) but lex intervenes and uses it to his advantage. lex would lose the ring only to have it found by clark or a returning gl who then gives it to a young test pilot. so hal jordan ends up with kal's ring....now that could be a cool episode!

 

[Tim Drake]

You know what I complain about.....Bat Nipples! I mean...EWWWWW!!!

Thats the tip of the iceberg my friend....

 

[Tim Drake]

ok, i jut thought of this.......what if a dying gl comes to earth to give clark his power ring (kal-el is suposed to be the green lantern of krypton) but lex intervenes and uses it to his advantage. lex would lose the ring only to have it found by clark or a returning gl who then gives it to a young test pilot. so hal jordan ends up with kal's ring....now that could be a cool episode!

LoL no...that pretty much sh&ts on Hal Jordons epic origin story...

Plus would you really want the Green Lantern making his public debut as the hero of Coast City 10 years before Superman appears in Metropolis?

It kinda takes away from the greatness of Superman.

Luckily Im confident the rights to GL will be sold (for a movie) before season 6 begins.

 

[Kaboom]

LoL no...that pretty much sh&ts on Hal Jordons epic origin story...

Plus would you really want the Green Lantern making his public debut as the hero of Coast City 10 years before Superman appears in Metropolis?

It kinda takes away from the greatness of Superman.

Luckily Im confident the rights to GL will be sold (for a movie) before season 6 begins.

come on this is smallville, they do everything out of time anyway...its an elseworld story. besides, at the end of the series the antimonitor is just gonna wipe it ou of existence anyway . =)

and whos to say hal jordan couldnt delay in putting on a costume just like clark has....he could still show up after supes. i mean seriously we already have an impulse withut having had a flash......

 

[Tim Drake]

come on this is smallville, they do everything out of time anyway...its an elseworld story. besides, at the end of the series the antimonitor is just gonna wipe it ou of existence anyway . =)

and whos to say hal jordan couldnt delay in putting on a costume just like clark has....he could still show up after supes. i mean seriously we already have an impulse withut having had a flash......

Why would Hal Jordan delay? I dont see a problem with young Hal appearing as a young fighter pilot on earth in General Sam Lane's group....but becoming the GL?

What they could do is have Sinestro appear on Earth as the GL in the episode. Do alot of foreshadowing of him eventually going evil and Hal becoming a GL, but Hal never actually encounters him face to face or becomes the GL at this point...

They could even bring Abin Sur in as an active GL whos temporarily on Earth whos watching Jordon and observes Hal's heroic behavior. Perhaps the writers could rework it so Sur's crash a few years later in Coast City was no random accident, he was looking for Hal.....make it so Hal was chosen long before he assumed the power.

Its a new twist but its similar to Jorel on Earth in Smallville chosing the Kent family.

 

[The Sage]

Double Meh.

The majority of kids had no idea about the complexities and facets of the DCU but when developing the DCAU cartoons; Batman TAS, Superman TAS, JLU etc.. they did it in a manner that was still true (and close) to the comic storylines and yet made it easy for kids to comprehend what was going on.

Smallville is just mainly Millar's own artistic view for Superman and how he would have handled it. All I'm saying its my own personal preference is for a series closer to the source material like the animated series. The DCAU proves that such a series would work just as well with audiences that have no clue about the details of the DCU.

I'm sorry but you're comparing an animated series with a live-action show. Of course the series can be more faithful, it's animated, a cartoon. You can literally almost take a comicbook story and translate it to animation easily. In most cases it's not the same with live action shows.

 

[The Sage]

Well, whatever floats your boat man. The cartoons are still there for your enjoyment. SV's just another TV show. It's entertainment. It happens to be a different take on Superman. Some people like it. Some people loathe it. And some people are just indifferent to it. As a fan of the character and the comics, you can enjoy it for what it is, or you can piss and moan about it. It's not going to matter in the long run though because it's still gonna be what it is: a different take on Superman.

Call me crazy, but that's one of the things I love about the show. It's different.

I swear, comic fans are their own worst enemies.

Yes they are. Welcome to my world.

It's reasons like this that when you doing a tv show or a movie, you need a director or producer with enough respect for the mythos to be faithful yet also take it with their own vision. Otherwise all you'll get is Sin City type stories, and personally I wasn't fond of Sin City the movie. Way too comicbooky. Would work as an animated movie much better.

 

[The Sage]

At the same time? thats just overkill. How would you explain them having one primative clone like Bizzaro and then one perfect clone like Connor?

I have that figured out already.

This whole thing your proposing reminds me of a Star Trek episode named "Similitude"...an episode that raised the moral question about clone rights and even the deeper question over whether a clone was a real being with a soul, or simply a copy.

I guess your idea could work for one episode IF handled properly and not written as a complete departure from the comics...but it should only be for a one-episode standalone....not an entire arc devoted to this.

I can't see how the story would work for just one episode. Conner, Bizarro, Clark's blood, Lex, Cadmus. Three to five episodes at least.

 

[The Sage]

How about a cameo appearance with the Legion of Super-Heroes, just some of them going into the past? That's actually one of the TAS episodes that could workout excellently and be stretched for 3 episodes.

 

[Tim Drake]

How about a cameo appearance with the Legion of Super-Heroes, just some of them going into the past? That's actually one of the TAS episodes that could workout excellently and be stretched for 3 episodes.

Except that was a one episode thing and ended with the Legion deleting everyones memories to preserve time.

That would have been a great one episode story in season 1 but not now.

 

[The Sage]

Except that was a one episode thing and ended with the Legion deleting everyones memories to preserve time.

That would have been a great one episode story in season 1 but not now.

Why not? Clark still doesn't know what his destiny is. And although he's faced Brainiac, he hasn't fought a supercharged Brainiac with the intent to kill him. Plus you can hint and tease at a lot, especially with Lois in Smallville.