What possible changes from the comic would ruin the film for you?

[The Shape]

eh that also comes in hand that since its such a big budget movie that he's a tool in this case. just do your job. thats what i said about rami and how it was a job. how the blood sweat and art is hardly apart of movies anymore. everything's to controlled for the wrong assumptions which become reasons.

buttt what i dont understand is that now rami has a bit more control during two and tobey got a raise why not put in more imput? thats what i mean by his acting abilities.

in one everyones butt was on the line. so they played there part. boringly. the risk is gone in movies.

an actor's job is to do what the director says and act the part he is given. you're argument about these "jobs" makes no sense.

and yes, the environment of these movies is definitely controlled, but there are billions of dollars on the line. of course it's controlled. you think a studio is going to give spider-man 3 over a 200 million dollar budget and just say..."ok...do whatever you want. we don't care. be free." NO WAY. they make the movies they are supposed to make. they do their JOBS. and they do them well.

apparently, they're doing something right.

 

[ZER0C00L]

an actor's job is to do what the director says and act the part he is given. you're argument about these "jobs" makes no sense.

and yes, the environment of these movies is definitely controlled, but there are billions of dollars on the line. of course it's controlled. you think a studio is going to give spider-man 3 over a 200 million dollar budget and just say..."ok...do whatever you want. we don't care. be free." NO WAY. they make the movies they are supposed to make. they do their JOBS. and they do them well.

apparently, they're doing something right.

yeah its controlled in such a terrible way. they should have people do there jobs see what created such a huge success not rely on other films to jusitify whats going to give them there buck.

what a job it would be to find out what was a huge success in the spider man mythos and all the spider man entertianment and have that be apart of the movies. thats how it should be done to justify the character.

you make it seem like an actor is a tool in a george lucas star wars movie.

 

[SmirkingRevenge]

excuse me, I believe you were just pwned a second ago.

 

[Eggyman]

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[The Shape]

yeah its controlled in such a terrible way. they should have people do there jobs see what created such a huge success not rely on other films to jusitify whats going to give them there buck.

what a job it would be to find out what was a huge success in the spider man mythos and all the spider man entertianment and have that be apart of the movies. thats how it should be done to justify the character.

you make it seem like an actor is a tool in a george lucas star wars movie.

ughhhh. actors essentially are tools. not in a bad way, but the actors, the script the director -- all tools used to build a movie. YOU make it seem like an actor can just walk on set and do what he wants...make up his lines. they do their job.

and that "job" you described is exactly what they did. starting with SM1, they took things from the spider-man universe over the years, pieced them together, and created a great movie. sure, there were changes, things were left out, and things were added. but they created a SUCCESS, as you said the "job" should do. they created a success that justifies the character AND made an entertaining film. just because things from the source material were not in the film does not mean it wasn't a success. it was a success commercially AND with the fans.

you may have your complaints, but look at you. you're on the SM3 boards right now, writhing in anticipation for it to come.

a job well done.

 

[The Shape]

excuse me, I believe you were just pwned a second ago.

who got pwned? me? i think not.

 

[SmirkingRevenge]

Naw, I meant whats-his-name.
Chuck Norris could never be pwned.

 

[The Shape]

Naw, I meant whats-his-name.
Chuck Norris could never be pwned.

i was about to say...

 

[ZER0C00L]

ughhhh. actors essentially are tools. not in a bad way, but the actors, the script the director -- all tools used to build a movie. YOU make it seem like an actor can just walk on set and do what he wants...make up his lines. they do their job.

and that "job" you described is exactly what they did. starting with SM1, they took things from the spider-man universe over the years, pieced them together, and created a great movie. sure, there were changes, things were left out, and things were added. but they created a SUCCESS, as you should the "job" should do. they created a success that justifies the character AND made an entertaining film. just because things from the source material were not in the film does not mean it wasn't a success. it was a success commercially AND with the fans.

you may have your complaints, but look at you. you're on the SM3 boards right now, writhing in anticipation for it to come.

a job well done.

im must explaining vague, now knowing you dont realize what im saying.

obviously an actor like Tobey didnt have much imput or desire in his character to fully realize it like i was saying with Brandon Lee. which was a notch down on tobeys acting that was in the discussion before. some actors do a lot more then others.

of course it was a success, they took ideas from other movies that were a success already. its spider man its going to be huge if it partially follows the mythos anyway. batman and robin was complet garbage but still made over a hundred million domestically.

im not talking about the film not being that.it could have been a lot more then just a cash cow to. alot more of a film. a lot more of what spider man is.

 

[Eggyman]

what the hell's pwned?

 

[The Shape]

im not talking about the film not being that.it could have been a lot more then just a cash cow to. alot more of a film. a lot more of what spider man is.

oh man. just because a movie makes a ton of money doesn't mean it's a "cash cow". the spider-man movies are good films. SM2 was actually one of the best reviewed movies of its year, and critics never really give superhero movies the benefit of the doubt.

the truth is (and this roots back to our earlier discussion) that most fanboys will never be satisfied.

even if spidey had his classic webshooters, the fans would find some other miniscule detail to nitpick. even if spidey had a ton of wisecracks, the fans would think they're lame or there were too little of them.

if more things were added, then other things would be left out. that's the truth. you can't fit decades worth of information into a movie that will satisfy all the fans. it's just not possible. there will always be liberties and changes.

but i still think the SM films are great, no matter how much they've been changed from the comics. they still carry the essential spider-man themes, and that's what spider-man is.

 

[ZER0C00L]

oh man. just because a movie makes a ton of money doesn't mean it's a "cash cow". the spider-man movies are good films. SM2 was actually one of the best reviewed movies of its year, and critics never really give superhero movies the benefit of the doubt.

the truth is (and this roots back to our earlier discussion) that most fanboys will never be satisfied.

even if spidey had his classic webshooters, the fans would find some other miniscule detail to nitpick. even if spidey had a ton of wisecracks, the fans would think they're lame or there were too little of them.

if more things were added, then other things would be left out. that's the truth. you can't fit decades worth of information into a movie that will satisfy all the fans. it's just not possible. there will always be liberties and changes.

but i still think the SM films are great, no matter how much they've been changed from the comics. they still carry the essential spider-man themes, and that's what spider-man is.

they are good films. this discussion was about what bothers people about these movies. and people were pointing what bothered them. no need to defend the films being good. there not terrible but there not amazing. there just good movies but blah. nothing fantastic that it really could have been.

More things were added and the good ones were left out.

they could have left out a lot of things that werent worth it where comic book aspects would have fit perfectly. like no the cake girl with the mole. no mary jane being like gwen. having flash hate pete but love spider man.

theres stuff in these movies where other scenes and ideas could have been intergrated.

its not about putting decades worth of stuff in there its about keeping characters how they should be. they can tell whatever story they want but keep the characters how they are. dont add pointless ones in there dont change characters into something else there not.

 

[The Shape]

its not about putting decades worth of stuff in there its about keeping characters how they should be. they can tell whatever story they want but keep the characters how they are. dont add pointless ones in there dont change characters into something else there not.

the movie's called "Spider-man". it's not about whether MJ is gwen or any of that stuff.

so far, peter parker/spider-man has been represented fairly accurately.

they are telling spider-man's story, and everything else is there to serve that purpose. so far, they've done a fine job. sure, changes in secondary characters were made, but they still serve their purpose in the spider-man universe.

if you want to see exactly what's in the comics, then just read them.

 

[ZER0C00L]

this is a thread for people to vent out what bothers them about the spider man movies.
no point in defending everything people find faults in.

 

[The Kid]

MJ will die?

I hope so.

also, go fury.

oh sheet I better say something more relevant. It'll be ruined if betty brant's nothing but a cameo again. grr...

 

[LarryLegend]

what the hell's pwned?

n00bs, you gotta love em.

Hype Dictionary

pwned: owned aka you just lost the verbal debate aka go run to your mama and hide.

 

[Red]

Pwned

 

[Silverstein]

What possible changes from the comic would ruin the film for you?

> If everyone dies..
> If Peter and Harry have a yaoi scene or something...I don't know.
> If Harry says "Do you know who I am? I'm Green Goblin, *****!!!"

 

[Hotwire]

I think, so far, Raimi has done a great job the 1st two flicks. As for what could mess up this one, for me, nothing really. That's because I am not a fanboy that insists they get things perfect. It does upset me a bit when very prominent things from the comics get tossed in movies (i.e. Xavier and Juggernaut are half-brothers in the comics and in X-3 they don't even acknowledge each other), but I can understand why they do this. Everything in the comics has had years or even decades to set up, in a movie, you only get 1.5-2.5 hours to get it all done. You couldn't consolidate all the back stories and sub-plots if your life depended on it. So they aren't going to try. Some will get changed, some will get tossed. A few we'll miss, a few we won't, and let's face it, a few won't even translate well into film anyway (Cosmic-Spidey). So I recomend doing what I do, go to the movie expecting a fun film with characters you recognize, and just enjoy it.

 

[Mister Gone]

prepare for the blind flame fury