Homecoming What to do with Spider-Man... AGAIN?!?!?!

[UltimateWebhead]

All of this, and we'll have the Spider-Man movie we've always wanted. I think it's really cool that according to reports, this time around they're shining light on the struggles of being Peter at 15, but also being Spider-Man at 15, rather than the romance--it's going to be very refreshing, but they have to find a way to sort of sneak romance in as I think it'll feel weird to have a Spider-Man story with 0% romance.

I agree, you need some type of romance. Hints of it here and there with maybe a couple of girls, Gwen, Betty, and/or Liz but nothing concrete. Keep the audience intrigued but guessing at the same time. I don't want it to sound like I am opposed to romance in a Spidey movie, cause I'm not, it is a major part of his stories however my point was they need to avoid the whole 'will they, won't they' drab romance issue as part of the central plot. That's something I think most people are tired from as it's been the main theme running through the past 5 movies.

Oh, and 'sup Nicko?! Haven't seen you in awhile. I hope all is well with you, buddy

 

[Spider-Gnome]

from what Feige has said and the fact that he is in highschool i think they will

One can only hope that they go Spectacular route as oppose to the Ultimate route...

This.

But to add to that, the main template that Weisman/Cook used in making that show were the 5 C's: Contemporary, Cohesive, Classic, Coherent and iConic.

In other words, make changes to the source and update them for a new audience without losing what made those original stories so great in the first place.

Build up the world around Peter Parker and develop his many side characters both allies and villains (introduce them early and often), avoid the romance plague that was the central theme in the past 5 movies, show the origin in well-placed flashbacks, and properly present the duality between Peter and Spidey.

All excellent points!

 

[Nicko-Ray]

I agree, you need some type of romance. Hints of it here and there with maybe a couple of girls, Gwen, Betty, and/or Liz but nothing concrete. Keep the audience intrigued but guessing at the same time. I don't want it to sound like I am opposed to romance in a Spidey movie, cause I'm not, it is a major part of his stories however my point was they need to avoid the whole 'will they, won't they' drab romance issue as part of the central plot. That's something I think most people are tired from as it's been the main theme running through the past 5 movies.

Oh, and 'sup Nicko?! Haven't seen you in awhile. I hope all is well with you, buddy

Completely agree with little hints with Gwen, Betty, and Liz. The last two can be really fun to introduce. Totally get you when you say you're not opposed to romance--I'm not either but yeah, after 5 movies, I think it's time to see something new. (And I loved the romance aspect when reading the comics.)

Ha, I'm alright man! Thanks. Likewise. I was watching HOC the other night and thought of you because I realized that my soundbar's wireless connection to the sub was disconnected and has been for a while now. All fixed though lol

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Simple, add a small crush subplot. Maybe Peter likes Liz Allen, or have some girl crush on Peter to whom he's oblivious to. I don't want to see full-on romance while he's in high school, so something small like that would be serviceable enough.

Obviously you can't abandon romance completely due to how important it is to the Spidey mythos, but we certainly need a break from it after the past 5 films.

Oh totally. What you mentioned is something I'd totally like to see in terms of romance.

 

[Decepticonus]

The so-called "romance" in the first trilogy is down right garbage and annoying. The last one was great.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Oh totally. What you mentioned is something I'd totally like to see in terms of romance.

The so-called "romance" in the first trilogy is down right garbage and annoying. The last one was great.

I'd have to agree on both accounts. The Raimi romance was too on the nose for me, and it didn't help that I found MJ to be completely unlikable, which made the romance aspects even more nauseating.

I mostly enjoyed the quiet moments where it focused on Peter/Spidey anyway in regards to those films.

TASM franchise was consistent with the romance, because it felt so fluent and organic as opposed to forced and dry like in the previous trilogy. It also helped that Stone/Garfield were dating, which made it that much more believable.

Sigh, I'll miss TASM and what it could've been. Oh well, onto the reboot (again)!

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

The so-called "romance" in the first trilogy is down right garbage and annoying. The last one was great.

This is funny since you're the one who asked people not to post anti-asm stuff.

 

[C Prometheus]

I think one of the big potential elements that can help give this new series a fresh take on Spidey for the audiences would be to have more emphasis on either Peter's relationship with Aunt May (mother-son) or with Harry (bff's).

The previous two series ultimately put Peter's romances with MJ and Gwen respectively as the main relationships, so shifting the focus on Peter's current emotional ties from romance to either family or friendship/brotherhood would naturally put Peter in an emotionally different place than he's largely been in the previous films.

That or they could go the Ultimate route and establish the relationship between Peter and MJ as BFFs with just a dash of romance that the series can slowly develop from film-to-film.

 

[Decepticonus]

This is funny since you're the one who asked people not to post anti-asm stuff.

Touche'

 

[Nicko-Ray]

I remember mentioning some of this stuff at the TASM2 threads long before that movie came out, but I'd like to see some "innovative Spider-Man storytelling" this time around. What I mean by that is things like maybe shooting and showcasing the combat in a way we've never seen before, try something completely different with the web swinging (again, maybe shooting it differently--I really enjoyed the practical swinging in TASM albeit very brief), stylizing aspects of the movie in certain ways. If you can imagine the certain charm that Guardians of the Galaxy has, and somehow injecting that into a Spider-Man movie in its own way--just to make it a fun Spider-Man movie.

Gonna bump my own post here as I think it got drowned switching to the new page.

 

[Webhead2006]

There is so many things raimi and Webb didn't over. There is still hundreds of great stories we could tell. And plenty of supporting characters to use.

 

[spider-neil]

It won't happen but I want to see them take multiple shots with tilted room with Spider-Man on the wall and ceiling in one take and normal humans on the floor in another take and comp them together to make the most innovative fighting you're ever seen. Basically try to do as many of Spider-Man's powers 'in camera' as possible to reduce the CGI. I thought the practical swinging in ASM looked incredible and I'd like them to expand on that. Not in CW as there is no time but the standalone movie.

 

[drod1985]

I think one of the big potential elements that can help give this new series a fresh take on Spidey for the audiences would be to have more emphasis on either Peter's relationship with Aunt May (mother-son) or with Harry (bff's).

This could be cool. I never got a real BFF vibe from the Raimi or Webb characters. I'd love to see Harry be a really substantial supporting character, maybe even finding out that Pete is Spidey early on.

 

[Frodo]

I agree, you need some type of romance. Hints of it here and there with maybe a couple of girls, Gwen, Betty, and/or Liz but nothing concrete. Keep the audience intrigued but guessing at the same time. I don't want it to sound like I am opposed to romance in a Spidey movie, cause I'm not, it is a major part of his stories however my point was they need to avoid the whole 'will they, won't they' drab romance issue as part of the central plot. That's something I think most people are tired from as it's been the main theme running through the past 5 movies.

That's basically how I feel too. You could even have Liz, Betty, MJ or Gwen or whoever without them being the obligatory shoehorned love interest in the first film. They were pretty much friends anyway, and they could actually portray them as characters in their own right without having to be reduced to just "the love interest".

If you look at characters like Pepper Potts , they are friends and allies who happen to have feelings for or are involved with the heroes as opposed to being only defined by being the love interest. One of the things Webb did get right was making Gwen a character independent of Peter. I would hope they would do that again for the next film.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

As general as it may sound, I think whatever this new Spider-Man movie does, it should be the definitive Spider-Man movie. The word of mouth, the buzz, should be viewers saying, "Dude, this is THE Spider-Man movie. SO different. SO cool."

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Completely agree with little hints with Gwen, Betty, and Liz. The last two can be really fun to introduce. Totally get you when you say you're not opposed to romance--I'm not either but yeah, after 5 movies, I think it's time to see something new. (And I loved the romance aspect when reading the comics.)

Ha, I'm alright man! Thanks. Likewise. I was watching HOC the other night and thought of you because I realized that my soundbar's wireless connection to the sub was disconnected and has been for a while now. All fixed though lol

Glad to see we're on the same page.

Haha! That's funny that you're having tech issues and you think of me. I'll take it as a compliment though, lol.

I just moved into a new home several months ago and was finally able to get my set-up going again.

It won't happen but I want to see them take multiple shots with tilted room with Spider-Man on the wall and ceiling in one take and normal humans on the floor in another take and comp them together to make the most innovative fighting you're ever seen. Basically try to do as many of Spider-Man's powers 'in camera' as possible to reduce the CGI. I thought the practical swinging in ASM looked incredible and I'd like them to expand on that. Not in CW as there is no time but the standalone movie.

Reading your post I am reminded of that spectacular hallway fight in the movie Inception. I'd very much like to see something in that vein for Spider-Man. I love this idea, well done spider-neil.

That's basically how I feel too. You could even have Liz, Betty, MJ or Gwen or whoever without them being the obligatory shoehorned love interest in the first film. They were pretty much friends anyway, and they could actually portray them as characters in their own right without having to be reduced to just "the love interest".

If you look at characters like Pepper Potts , they are friends and allies who happen to have feelings for or are involved with the heroes as opposed to being only defined by being the love interest. One of the things Webb did get right was making Gwen a character independent of Peter. I would hope they would do that again for the next film.

Yes, exactly. In this new set of films, they should aim to make female characters with plenty of depth to where the audience cares about them on a level that is more than just simply, the 'damsel in distress' or the 'love interest.' Since we're skipping the origin from the get-go there should be ample opportunity to build up Peter's world--the many side characters, to their credit are quite important to the mythos.

As general as it may sound, I think whatever this new Spider-Man movie does, it should be the definitive Spider-Man movie. The word of mouth, the buzz, should be viewers saying, "Dude, this is THE Spider-Man movie. SO different. SO cool."

I couldn't agree more with this post. It's my hope that the end result is definitive--I think we'd all want the same and I'm very excited about this possibility.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya we could easily handle romance difference this time. We could see peter crush on Liz and betty. But they don't have the time a day for him. Go tssm with gwen and she likes him but peter doesn't see it at first. Then I would hold off mj to second solo and play off the whole thing of Anna and may keep trying to set mj and peter up. But he rejects it. And we can get the classic firdt meet with the face it tiger line. And then have in later films mj and gwen vying for peter affections. Then say once we get to phase 4 and peter in college. Toss in Debra as a collage friend. Maybe also carlie cooper too who is a cop in training. And have some tango with black cat. So peter isn't tied down right away to any one. But play on gwen and mj is the main loves. But flirt into others too.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Glad to see we're on the same page.

Haha! That's funny that you're having tech issues and you think of me. I'll take it as a compliment though, lol.

I just moved into a new home several months ago and was finally able to get my set-up going again.



I couldn't agree more with this post. It's my hope that the end result is definitive--I think we'd all want the same and I'm very excited about this possibility.

Well I just thought of my set up and remembered yours. But yeah, I think of you as the "tech guy" lol.
And well it's good that we'll get a hint of that possibility in Civil War. It's really a treat for us to have to wait until then until 2017. But that's the real prize.

 

[WBwins]

1.Have Spiderman voiceover narration in the movie.It puts the audience right in spideys head
And Spidey is an awesome entertaining narrator.

2.Spidey should be an Avenger in training.Have the movie peppeered with Flashbacks to his Avenger training-prefferably by Captain America.

3.Use spectacular spiderman cartoon for story inspiration

4.Try to make Spideys costume recongnisably distinct from other costumes.

 

[spider-neil]

When I say 'no romance', I mean, have female supporting actors who can interact and flirt with Peter but don't centre the movie around that. Look how the female supporting cast are handled in Daredevil.

 

[Frodo]

When I say 'no romance', I mean, have female supporting actors who can interact and flirt with Peter but don't centre the movie around that. Look how the female supporting cast are handled in Daredevil.

Yeah. They should make it realistic. Someone like fellow science nerd Deborah Whitman could be just a friend with no romance whatsoever, while someone like Liz Allen is dating his Friend Harry , and of Peter's crush could be Felicia Hardy the popular rich girl.

You know, put some variety in it and not have every female character be a potential love interest or the love interest. Give him a group of friends or class mates how are made up of boys and girls instead of the focus being once again" The One girl destined to be with" dynamic of the Raimi films.

They're teenagers. They're gonna be in and out of relationships, meeting new people; there doesn't have to be endless lines of dialog about what's "meant to be" and " can I we be together" stuff from the Raimi and Webb films.

 

[Shanio1]

Yeah. They should make it realistic. Someone like fellow science nerd Deborah Whitman could be just a friend with no romance whatsoever, while someone like Liz Allen is dating his Friend Harry , and of Peter's crush could be Felicia Hardy the popular rich girl.

You know, put some variety in it and not have every female character be a potential love interest or the love interest. Give him a group of friends or class mates how are made up of boys and girls instead of the focus being once again" The One girl destined to be with" dynamic of the Raimi films.

They're teenagers. They're gonna be in and out of relationships, meeting new people; there doesn't have to be endless lines of dialog about what's "meant to be" and " can I we be together" stuff from the Raimi and Webb films.

That is exactly what I want for romance in the new movie

 

[spider-neil]

I definitely think the standalone movie needs to work on new innovative ways of showing Spider-Man's powers. You really want the general audience to feel this is new and fresh.

The Spider sense.

The wall crawling.

The web swinging.

The Spider Agility.

The Spider Strength.

Really push what you can do. Really sell the idea that his kid has the powers of a spider.

New wire rigs that allows the stunt guy to fight people while jumping on the ceiling and wall.

Titled stages.

Practical swinging.

Make it look REAL.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

I actually think they could do more with the teenager / high school aspect. Spectacular Spider-man focused on that more. In the Raimi films, Peter Parker was an adult after ten minutes. In the Webb movies, we saw little of him actually living like a normal teenager.

And that is the only thing I didn't like about it.

Personally Im not interested in Highshool stories so its disappointing to know that Marvel wants exactly that, I would prefer more adult and mature arcs and stories.

 

[Spiderdevil]

1. No origin in the first movie, take lessons from 'Netflix's Daredevil' and spread the origin in flashbacks in the span of 2-3 movies, Uncle Ben can have a prominent role throughout like Battlin' Jack Murdock in the first 3 episodes

2. Less romance, especially in the first movie, show his crush on Gwen/MJ and maybe 1-2 awkward conversations but that's about it

3.Oscorp should not be the big bad coorperation with chucks out everything bad from processed food to weaponry to supervillains

4.Make Norman Osborn an interesting personality who has a background major role and a strong influence on Peter, like something in Raimi's first movie or TSSM cartoon, the Goblin should only appear in 3rd or 4th movie

5. Highlight the scientist part of Peter's personality, make him inovative

6. Quips but not a scumbag/bully (like TASM1)

7. Give a strong role to Harry Osborn, like Foggy Nelson in 'Daredevil'

8. Focus on the highschool and teenage years