Superman Returns what u would do to improve superman returns.

[nogster]

i would like to read what others would do to improve this film.
while i was entertained. and thought superman was awesome and the action scenes great. i felt the story let the film down big time.
my major issue with the film was the terribly weak plot. specifically luthor's bone headed plot and the events that follow it.
the superkid subplot ruined the film for me as well. as it doesnt bode well for sequels as its going to deal with a love triangle and supes trying to bring up a kid that is in a happy family with a loving father that thinks the child is his. more days of our lives than a superman story..........
anyway.
this IMO that i posted in a thread a week or so ago and from my browsing these forums the opinion of a few others that have posted should've been the story and would've made much more sense as well as dealing with the major theme that the film was supposed to explore, but didnt really. that superman comes back to a world that has learned to get on without him.
sticking to the SR mould.
lex is well established in metropolis with lexcorp pretty much being the governing power. he has manipulated and charmed the people. and holds all the power and admiration. he has taken the crystals and with the knowledge he got from the fortress of solitude, he has used it to gain massive wealth and political power. he has essentially become what he has always wanted. the man of metropolis. he has taken supermans role albiet for his own narcisstic reasons.
superman returns to see his arch rival in this favourable position and knows that lex's new image is a facade but the people, like lois lane wrote in her prize winning report have learned to get along without him and lex through propaganda has reinforced this notion making it even tougher on superman to fit back in. the people are on lex's side.
supermans return brings out luthor's obsession to destroy him and so armed with the information and technology he got from the fortress of solitude he sets out to destroy him forever.
unleashing the crystals power like in SR but instead of doing it for the ridiculous reason of selling land...
he does it to frame superman, then destroy him, then reap the benifets of the aftermath.

this story arc makes so much more sense and would make the movie so much more better. it fits the characters more. esspecially lex and i still shake my head at what we were given. when i read the synopsis of this film, i was certain this is the road the writers would take.
oh well.

a missed oppurtunity.

 

[retconned]

(Raises Hand Eagerly)

Write a different story. A better story. A great story. And then find a new director.

 

[Hollywoodland]

Which director do you have in mind retconned?

 

[retconned]

There are many people I would choose over Bryan Singer.

 

[WTFwuzThT]

Scrap the entire story and start fresh with a new director that I would shoot at the first mention of Superman: The Movie.

 

[DA Harvey Dent]

IMO Superman is a one dimensional figure. So the best thing to do is to focus more on action and less on characterization by keeping the deep introspection to a minimum. This is where Superman the movie succeded. He's not a tortured soul whose full of angst, he's the ultimate boyscout.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I would have made the movie into two seperate movies, ala Superman I and II.

That way, we get all the scenes that were cut out, such as Krypton and Kent farm.

 

[kal-el2006]

nothing. this film was perfect for me..sorry.

 

[coast city]

It's pretty clear that what Singer was trying to do was thematically and structurally replicate Superman the Movie with a fresh approach. Similar to Terminator 2 following the exact same structure of Terminator 1. Both sets of movies even have the same lines being repeated in the sequels. With this approach in mind, I would have done the full Krypton sequence, really fleshed out the Smalville part as well; with Superman really wrestling with his uncertainty over returning. In order to make room for this, I would have trimmed the Luthor bits. The same way Luthor isn't introduced until the 3rd act in STM, Lex shouldn't have appeared until Act 3 in SR. We don't need to see how he got his money or how he got the kryptonite. Beyond that, I wouldn't change much. I liked the story and the progression of the characters. I might've included a little more investigative journalism for Clark just to give CK more action. My 2 cents.

 

[retconned]

nothing. this film was perfect for me..sorry.

Thats good for you man. Atleast you know that while going through life, you will never be that disappointed seeing that you have set such low standards for perfection.

Here's to you, Kal

 

[retconned]

It's pretty clear that what Singer was trying to do was thematically and structurally replicate Superman the Movie with a fresh approach. Similar to Terminator 2 following the exact same structure of Terminator 1. Both sets of movies even have the same lines being repeated in the sequels. With this approach in mind, I would have done the full Krypton sequence, really fleshed out the Smalville part as well; with Superman really wrestling with his uncertainty over returning. In order to make room for this, I would have trimmed the Luthor bits. The same way Luthor isn't introduced until the 3rd act in STM, Lex shouldn't have appeared until Act 3 in SR. We don't need to see how he got his money or how he got the kryptonite. Beyond that, I wouldn't change much. I liked the story and the progression of the characters. I might've included a little more investigative journalism for Clark just to give CK more action. My 2 cents.

Lex is more important than a 3rd act character, which is one of my beefs with the original film. Im more of a fan of having the villian loom in the background for the majority of the movie.

 

[nogster]

perfect.....cmon. so u are fine with the silly lex plot. u are fine with superman being able to be super with kryptonite not only all around him, but stabbed in him, u dont think this film can be improved????
your opinion is as valid as mine, but how can u think that it is perfect?

 

[kal-el2006]

of course im fine with it..im not all in nitpicky about every small thing..like some people...i wanted superman back after all these years and i got him..plain and simple..try watching the movie for what it is..entertainment..cuz when its all said and done..its just a movie...and i think the only people that dont like this film wanted a more post crisis version..of superman and didnt get him so..what can ya do..the movie is done and over with..so why keep whining?..but like i said..yes it was perfect for me.

 

[Showtime]

I loved the idea of a return story and I enjoyed the movie, but if I had the same plot involving the Return of Superman I would have done this:

*Make it clear in the movie that Lex was the one who drove Superman back to Krypton. Some how setting up a plot with Stanford to make it look like Krypton was still a possible hotspot for life. I believe this was in the script and in the novel but was cut.

*I would have given more time in Smallville for Clark to ponder if he even wants to be Superman anymore because it seems the world doesn't actually need him. This was written in the script and was a big part of the original idea, the world not needing Superman. This would give Ma Kent a bigger role in bringing him back.

*I loved the beggining, the STM font flying through different parts of space, very nostalgic. The problem is I would have rather seen the original idea of shots from the old movies, a recap of what happened, plus some shots of him going back to Krypton. They could have done it right through the credits up until his landing.

*I would have nixed the kid idea, although I thought it worked well in the movie. They did it in a subtle manner and I was relieved how it was handled. I would rather see that Lois has moved on with somebody else, maybe even Richard but without child.

*Not only has Lois and the world moved on without Superman but Lex has capitalized on this. Because Superman left and never appeared in at Luthors court date, he was released, just like in Returns. The difference is that Lex uses his Vanderworth money to start Lexcorp and makes himself a savior to Metropolis. Donates money to fight crime and becomes a tycoon that helps Metropolis grow in every area. He is now running for office, mayor, governor, senator, it doesn't matter. His platform is that he has done more for Metropolis or what not in the past 5 years than even Superman has done. He makes the people turn against Superman. Now that Luthor has all these connections he can do anything. He finds the FOS and uses the technology with help from STARS LABS to create Metallo.

So many possibilities.

 

[retconned]

of course im fine with it..im not all in nitpicky about every small thing..like some people...i wanted superman back after all these years and i got him..plain and simple..try watching the movie for what it is..entertainment..cuz when its all said and done..its just a movie...and i think the only people that dont like this film wanted a more post crisis version..of superman and didnt get him so..what can ya do..the movie is done and over with..so why keep whining?..but like i said..yes it was perfect for me.

The movie was meant to be entertainment? Sure fooled me. Again, it's nice to see that your easily pleased.

P.S. My hatred has nothing to do with pre/post crisis gibberish, my hatred comes from the fact that the story was god awful and lacked in every single element.

 

[nosebleed.]

Thats good for you man. Atleast you know that while going through life, you will never be that disappointed seeing that you have set such low standards for perfection.

Here's to you, Kal

Man, you like to hit low don't you. Let the guy be happy instead of pushing in his face that such a low browed movie could never please someone with such a high intellect as yourself. He likes the movie...you don't...that doesn't make you any better or smarter than him.

 

[kal-el2006]

The movie was meant to be entertainment? Sure fooled me. Again, it's nice to see that your easily pleased.

P.S. My hatred has nothing to do with pre/post crisis gibberish, my hatred comes from the fact that the story was god awful and lacked in every single element.

sorry if it didnt entertain u as it did for me..but what are u gonna do..keep complainin about it? or just accept the fact u didnt like the movie and move on?

 

[Hollywoodland]

There are many people I would choose over Bryan Singer.

examples...

 

[retconned]

sorry if it didnt entertain u as it did for me..but what are u gonna do..keep complainin about it? or just accept the fact u didnt like the movie and move on?

Im going to keep complaining about it

 

[skruloos]

The only thing I would do to improve the film is to make it more explicit that Luthor set up Superman's leaving for Krypton.

Everything else was handled well.

 

[kal-el2006]

Im going to keep complaining about it

whine away..it wont change a thing

 

[kal-el2006]

and the only thing i'd improve on..is making it 3 hours =D

 

[Showtime]

The only thing I would do to improve the film is to make it more explicit that Luthor set up Superman's leaving for Krypton.

Everything else was handled well.

That was something that aggrevated me, I know they wrote it that way, it might have even been filmed. It was in the novel, why wasn't in the movie? I thought that is the ulitmate revenger on Luthor's part, driving Superman away.

 

[retconned]

and the only thing i'd improve on..is making it 3 hours =D

So even less people would want to see it, let alone go back and watch for a 2nd time. And we could get more substance lacking scenes, or, just maybe, very possibly, got Superman stopping another natural disaster. Yippeee.

It's nice to see that, besides being easy to please, your also a very smart person.

lol

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Loved the movie.

...But in a perfect world, I would cut down 20 minutes from the movies running time and maybe add one more action sequence at the end of the film.