What will be the 'Scott Pilgrim' of 2013?

Pacific Rim was definitely what first came to mind when I read the title of this thread. I don't associate the Lone Ranger with "geek cred" at all, while Pacific Rim was the belle of the Comic-Con ball and I just don't see it connecting with the GA the way WB is hoping. I'd be happy to be wrong, as I'm looking forward to it quite a bit, but right now it really seems like Scott Pilgrim all over again to me, just with bigger numbers involved.
 
Scott Pilgrim's problem is that the only people that saw it were the hipsters it was satirizing, and even then they didn't all go.

I watched it for the video game/anime references, which was most of it.

Did it actually have hipsters in it? I mostly remember kung-fu fighting, Indians summoning demon bat-women, and the Vegan psychic.

I guess Kim Pine was kind of a hipster in that she was very sarcastic.

I dunno, I saw it as more of a nerd movie than a hipster movie. A hipster movie would be something like Juno or a Wes Anderson movie.
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This thread probably would have done better with using Speed Racer as an analogy since Scott Pilgrim was more of a satire than a straight up action or homage flick. Speed Racer's demise still bugs me to this day.

Well while I guess you could say it was a satire on general anime/manga plots, it was also a loving homage to them.
 
I hope you don't mean Westerns in general suck.
I guess a western done with a little tongue in cheek humor or sci-fi mixed wouldn't hurt but it doesn't guarantee it'll be good and Cowboys & Aliens was proof of that.
 
I guess a western done with a little tongue in cheek humor or sci-fi mixed wouldn't hurt but it doesn't guarantee it'll be good and Cowboys & Aliens was proof of that.

I don't quite understand what you're getting at? No genre has no "guaranteed" hits.

And do you mean quality or B.O. Wise? B.O. wise, you had True Grit, but I agree that the Western genre isn't a genre to make a massive budget tent pole pic in.

Quality wise, you had several great westerns of recent times.
 
I guess a western done with a little tongue in cheek humor or sci-fi mixed wouldn't hurt but it doesn't guarantee it'll be good and Cowboys & Aliens was proof of that.

Tombstone man, awesome western movie!
 
You guys are seriously calling into question how much money Pacific Rim will make at the box office? :funny:

Scott Pilgrim was based on a little known book series, revolving around the use of video game, comic book and anime references the majority of people wouldn't even get, containing moderately likable to unlikable characters, and was directed by a great but largely unknown director. It's like a niche of a niche of a niche, and it's marketing wasn't that good to begin with (because they probably didn't know how to market it to a general audience), so of course it didn't do that well in theaters.

Pacific Rim is an original property which is a tribute to old Japanese robot vs. kaiju films the general audience doesn't need to have watched previously in order to enjoy this film, contains a fairly solid plot/likable characters/good character development (from what I know of other people that have read the original draft), and is directed by a fairly known director who has proven his level of creative expertise several times over. The premise of this film is basically giant robots fighting giant monsters, which isn't that hard to sell to a general audience, not to mention its trailer was attached to thousands of screenings of The Hobbit, which was probably one of the most anticipated films of the year.

Its the difference between selling a new kind of hamburger at a well known fast food restaurant chain versus selling a great tasting gyro at some new but obscure Mediterranean joint. The gyro maybe a really good, but a lot of people aren't going to know about it because the restaurant that sells it isn't that well known, and not too many people know about or even like gyros. The hamburger is going to do better, despite being new, not only because its a well-known chain, but because its still a hamburger, and nearly everybody in the world loves hamburgers.

The Lone Ranger I could see being a more likely candidate because:

1) It's a western. Sadly, they really don't make that much money at the box office nowadays.

2) Like Speed Racer, its a widely heard of but little known property that people have only heard of through pop culture references in TV series and movies.

3) If what I've heard about its budget is true, there's very little chance its going to make it back. And if it does, just barely.

4) Johnny Depp as Tonto. Many people will probably be turned off by Depp's somewhat stereotypical Indian portrayal.

However, many people will still probably see it due to the fact that it's directed by the director of Pirates of the Caribbean and stars Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter. Still, it probably won't be enough to help turn the tide.
 
Well, I for one wasn't denying that Lone Ranger will disappoint at the box office. It most likely will, no argument there. What I was questioning was whether or not it even qualifies as "another Scott Pilgrim" because it wasn't massively popular at SDCC like Scott Pilgrim was and doesn't have much "geek cred" to speak of.
 
True Grit was great, I saw that at the theater. I have no idea how well it did at the Box Office, though.

Lone Ranger may or may not do well, depends on how many Johnny Depp fans there still are. How did On Stranger Tides do?

There are also general Lone Ranger fans but it seems pretty distanced from its origins...might just be the way the trailer is done, though. I know older people like my mother are big Lone Ranger fans but its clearly aimed at the younger target market.
 
Whether The Lone Rangers gets geek cred or not, I will still predict that it will flop. It just looks bland. I'm hoping it surprises me, but Gore Verbinski's critical reception is inconsistent at best.
 
Even if it ends up great, The Lone Ranger will definitely struggle to make it's money back unless Worldwide audiences eat it up, but I don't think Westerns are that popular worldwide. Though the same thing was said about pirates, the first pirates didn't have a budget that's got to be past $300 million now (this is including the actual movie budget, the time it took to revise the budget, the delays, and everything)
 
True Grit was great, I saw that at the theater. I have no idea how well it did at the Box Office, though.

Lone Ranger may or may not do well, depends on how many Johnny Depp fans there still are. How did On Stranger Tides do?

There are also general Lone Ranger fans but it seems pretty distanced from its origins...might just be the way the trailer is done, though. I know older people like my mother are big Lone Ranger fans but its clearly aimed at the younger target market.

True Grit was a runaway success, grossing $171 million domestically and $251 million total worldwide on a $38 million budget (The Lone Ranger should have been only a mid budget movie).

Strangers Tides disappointed domestically but made a load of money worldwide to carry it to a billion. Depp's appeal is much better worldwide than domestically, but the Western Genre I don't think is that popular worldwide so I believe that this movie will struggle even if it ends up getting good word of mouth.

Gore Verbinski dug too much of a hole for this movie.
 
You guys are seriously calling into question how much money Pacific Rim will make at the box office? :funny:

Scott Pilgrim was based on a little known book series, revolving around the use of video game, comic book and anime references the majority of people wouldn't even get, containing moderately likable to unlikable characters, and was directed by a great but largely unknown director. It's like a niche of a niche of a niche, and it's marketing wasn't that good to begin with (because they probably didn't know how to market it to a general audience), so of course it didn't do that well in theaters.

Pacific Rim is an original property which is a tribute to old Japanese robot vs. kaiju films the general audience doesn't need to have watched previously in order to enjoy this film, contains a fairly solid plot/likable characters/good character development (from what I know of other people that have read the original draft), and is directed by a fairly known director who has proven his level of creative expertise several times over. The premise of this film is basically giant robots fighting giant monsters, which isn't that hard to sell to a general audience, not to mention its trailer was attached to thousands of screenings of The Hobbit, which was probably one of the most anticipated films of the year.

All of that would be great if we are talking about Japanese audiences instead of American audiences, who have never embraced the genre like you seem to suggest they have. Sure, there's a cult of Godzilla and kaiju fans in the US, but it's not a widespread mainstream fanbase.

And your average non-film **** has no idea who GDT is. Unfortunately for them, perhaps, but he's hardly a household name.
 
GDT is a director who is known, but is not as big a household name as Nolan or Spielberg or Scorsese, and I say he's just a notch below someone like Zack Snyder or Jon Favreau in terms of name recognition, but only because he hasn't released a movie since 2008.

But he is a notable director though. I'd compare his name recognition to, coincidentally, Edgar Wright. Very popular with niche audiences, and some GA appeal.
 
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Edgar Wright is not a known director at all. I love him but he has virtually no mainstream recognion. Very few directors are well know in the first place. Lucas and Speilberg ar probably the only directors that the majority of the public can pick out of a line up.
 
If we're going by looks only then yeah, that list is only very few people. But people know who Nolan and Scorsese are too. Keep in mind I'm thinking only US. It's harder for me to gauge how someone is known worldwide.

I'm saying Wright is as known as Del Toro, more or less, though when thinking about it I don't think that's right. I thin Del Toro is slightly more known than Wright. I think a better comparison is Sam Raimi, though he's a bit below that. It's hard to gauge Del Toro because he's been inactive for several years.
 
Wright is probably known moreso in the UK and amongst the film dorks around the planet. You couldn't say his name to someone on the street and they'd know who you were getting at.
 
The difference between Writ and Toro is that Del Toro has an Oscar nominated movie and directed bigger budgeted movies.
 
I don't really feel there's a "Scott Pilgrim" right now. Pacific Rim looks like it'll have much broader appeal to audiences. I don't think Lone Ranger is even worth mentioning.
 
I think the proper way to phrase it is GDT is slightly less unknown than Edgar Wright. Not that GDT isn't talented, but he hasn't had a new film in over 4 years and that one wasn't exactly a blockbuster hit, getting swamped by TDK.
 
All of that would be great if we are talking about Japanese audiences instead of American audiences, who have never embraced the genre like you seem to suggest they have. Sure, there's a cult of Godzilla and kaiju fans in the US, but it's not a widespread mainstream fan base.

So, I guess the mainstream didn't like Transformers at all? You know, giant transforming robots fighting each other? (Sure, there were other factors involved, but that was its main draw)

I know it's not exactly the same, but it's still being targeted at pretty much the same audience that saw those other movies (which I'm even loathe to compare this movie to, but still). A movie like this isn't exactly inaccessible to the mainstream moviegoers. People don't even have to know what Kaiju are. As long as people see giant robots fighting giant monsters, people will go.

If there's one thing that I've learned, is that if you take something familiar, and wrap it in a brand "new" package, people will flock to theaters like bugs to a bug zapper.

To make a long story short: if you build it, they will come.
 
There are only a handful of plots in existence as they say, and you do have to dress it up different. Hell, this movie's main plot focuses on a fish out of water Japanese chick teaming up with a down on his luck guy that no one thinks can do the job, and they team up using an old ass Jaeger that seems to not be up to the task. ****, that's like three cliche plots in one.
 
There are only a handful of plots in existence as they say, and you do have to dress it up different. Hell, this movie's main plot focuses on a fish out of water Japanese chick teaming up with a down on his luck guy that no one thinks can do the job, and they team up using an old ass Jaeger that seems to not be up to the task. ****, that's like three cliche plots in one.

But, it's being done by Guillermo Del Toro, who's usually known for taking old, well-known cliches and tropes and either turning them on their head or doing something really exciting with them (Hellboy, Pan's Labyrinth, etc.), which is why I'm excited for this. He's like the Geeklord Fanboy of all fanboys.

Seriously, if he wasn't attached to this, it would probably just turn into another generic giant robot film directed by some hack like Jonathan Liebesman or Michael Bay. If that was the case, I probably wouldn't even give this film the time of day or a second thought.
 
All of that would be great if we are talking about Japanese audiences instead of American audiences, who have never embraced the genre like you seem to suggest they have. Sure, there's a cult of Godzilla and kaiju fans in the US, but it's not a widespread mainstream fanbase.

And your average non-film **** has no idea who GDT is. Unfortunately for them, perhaps, but he's hardly a household name.

That's a bingo.
 

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