what would you like to see in season 2 of Wolverine and the X-Men

totally agree. that was a really long post! i dont know how you guys keep your focus long enought to write something like that.

Plenty of vegetables, vitamins, 7 hours of sleep a night and idle hands. :up:

Thanks. This is about a medium for me. ;)
 
I don't know much about Age if Apocalypse but they could merge it with another story as they did in season 1. Whatever story that may be. If AoA is about a Cyclops obeying Sinister, we probably won't know that he is helping the X-men at least half way through the season. He will just be viewed as a bad guy till that time. Which I don't 100% agree with. Bringing out all the bad qualities with the dude...
 
Deadpool
Age of Apocalypse
More Colossus
More Rogue
Gambit join the X-Men
Marvel Heroes (i.e. Hulk, Iron Man, Fantastic Four, or Spider-Man)


That's exactly what I don't want to see. Having cross-overs. Don't like that... It never really made sense to me, having mutants, ok, but Iron Man is artificial and the rest quoted aren't naturally mutants....
 
Wolverine can be a great character, but he ISN'T that great when he is Red Ranger, when he is perfect, the favorite of everyone, is never a jerk, and is never called out or made to bare for his mistakes.

Gotta disagree with you here Dread....Wolverine isn't red ranger. He's white ranger Tommy and Scott would be red ranger Jason. One becomes leader all of a sudden because he's the fan favorite and the other is replaced and fades away even though the characters in the show prefered him over the other and bad writing just makes it happen.
 
Gotta disagree with you here Dread....Wolverine isn't red ranger. He's white ranger Tommy and Scott would be red ranger Jason. One becomes leader all of a sudden because he's the fan favorite and the other is replaced and fades away even though the characters in the show prefered him over the other and bad writing just makes it happen.

OMG i love you!!!!

that was the greatest reference to the original power rangers ever!!!

:grin::grin::grin: and omg i thought i was the only one that hated that all of a sudden Tommy stops being the bad guy and replaces the leader whose been around the whole time! im Jason all the way!
 
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That's exactly what I don't want to see. Having cross-overs. Don't like that... It never really made sense to me, having mutants, ok, but Iron Man is artificial and the rest quoted aren't naturally mutants....

i too dont want any time wasted on cameos like that. there are so many xmen characters to give time to. we dont have time to spend an episode on Spiderman.

we barely have time to spend an episode on Rogue, etc bc of stupid Wolverine.
 
Gotta disagree with you here Dread....Wolverine isn't red ranger. He's white ranger Tommy and Scott would be red ranger Jason. One becomes leader all of a sudden because he's the fan favorite and the other is replaced and fades away even though the characters in the show prefered him over the other and bad writing just makes it happen.

Touche'. I was just speaking in general Ranger terms. My memory of the original troupe has faded a bit. But that does sound quite similar.

Popularity's been a double edged sword for Wolverine, a boon and sometimes a bane.
 
Im not buying all this Wolverine is the most popular x-man stuff anymore. People seem to be tired of him. And he's never the most interesting character in a team book or a show. Everyone I know only saw Wolverine 4 to finally see Gambit on the big screen and hated Wolverine in all 4 movies. It seems Marvel is the only ones to think he's so interesting anymore. Of course someone is going to be popular if you place them everywhere.
 
I thought Jason was way cooler. Tommy was overrated.

It's actually a perfect metaphor for how I feel about Cyclops and Wolverine. Wow.
 
Im not buying all this Wolverine is the most popular x-man stuff anymore. People seem to be tired of him. And he's never the most interesting character in a team book or a show. Everyone I know only saw Wolverine 4 to finally see Gambit on the big screen and hated Wolverine in all 4 movies. It seems Marvel is the only ones to think he's so interesting anymore. Of course someone is going to be popular if you place them everywhere.
I agree with everything stated here. I never noticed any bias towards Wolverine during the 90's. I got all of the X-Books including the Wolverine solo and when he guested in another book i didnt think anything off it and i found him to be a cool character but by no means my favorite. It's only since the 1st movie that marvel started to force him down everyones throats and i do think alot of people are sick of him now...
 
Ok, so we've all seen that season two is for sure going to focus on Apocalypse. So, who do you think his four horsemen for this show will be?

Death = Sinister

War = Cyclops

Famine = Archangel

Pestilence = Emma Frost (Apocalypse will ressurect her.)
 
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That Horseman layout is certainly possible for Season 2. My major concern with it would be that while it would progress the story further, it would make Cyclops look like more of a cad than he is already. He spent the entire first season being a selfish mope because Jean was gone, to the point where he abandoned the cause, his friends (even in mid-battle), and practically used Emma Frost until the moment she died to get Jean back. Suddenly having him ditch Jean in Season 2 to revive Emma would really make him seem less sympathetic than he already is.

The problem is that the finale of Season 1 may have left the writers with no better option. Had they sacrificed Jean to snuff the Phoenix, they would have expected viewers to feel sadness for a McGuffen of a heroine at best, but they would have allowed Season 2 to allow Scott and Frost to develop, as the comics are doing now (and have done for years). Instead, they sacrificed Frost, which gave us a more "tragic" death, but left no good option for trying to rekindle anything in Season 2. Now, I can empathize to a degree; the writers had no clue or presumption that WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN would be renewed for 26 additional episodes, so naturally they had to throw their "best" stuff into the debut season, to make it high quality and to sell it. I get that. The only problem is now if they want to revisit Frost, they are left with poor options. Scott/Jean may be "kismet" to some long-term fans, but it hasn't been where Marvel has gone for some five years, and it's been done twice already in animation, and I was hardly looking forward to a third go.

Probably the easiest way to resolve it without making Cyclops look like a cad would be to have Jean start to fall towards Logan genuinely; maybe she finally realizes how much of an "emo stalker" Scott is for her and goes with Logan. That would leave Scott a much more desperate and sympathetic figure and justify anything done with or for Frost. There is one major problem with that, though; it would require the writers of WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN to risk, if only for a moment, Logan not being ultimately correct or perfect in every single X-Men situation. A Logan who could, GASP, do something wrong or imperfect for a reason other than being mind-controlled or blackmailed by a villain. Nothing I have seen in the first 26 episodes leads me to believe they are willing to do that. Wolverine is Captain X-Man Esquire at the end, basically. I can imagine Jean making an overture, Logan being "honorable" and declining, but Scott being overly melodramatic and rushing off to Apocalypse or wherever Frost has been revived. Scott's usually been the type who overreacts at best in this show. The definition of "emo", yet he cannot even do "emo" properly to elicit sympathy. At every opportunity to make Cyclops look weaker and inferior to Wolverine morally, physically, and spiritually in this show, the show has taken it. I doubt that is changing simply because X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE fell 70% in week two and now is unlikely to match even X-MEN 2's grosses.

Part of me wonders if Wolverine, after a dominance of 20 years, is at the cusp of mass media overexposure. Many people who wanted to see X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE was psyched not only because of Logan, but because of Gambit and/or Deadpool. FOX knows well they can't sell a Wolverine movie on Wolverine alone, hence why the perennial guest stars. And, perhaps, why we didn't get a solo ADVENTURES OF WOLVERINE TV series. It's a dilemma; they know he is very popular, but needs the X-Men to complete the sell. I am curious how Season 2 will reflect this, or not. Season 1 reflected it by, while having some 7-8 Wolverine solo or "team up" episodes, devoting 3 episodes each to Cyclops and Nightcrawler, and usually doing better with nearly any episode that didn't exclusively star Wolverine in terms of quality.

In the comics, Jean managed to resurrect Emma Frost, albeit with Phoenix level powers. It is possible that the X-Men in Season 2 could find a way to resurrect Frost and then we have a bit of a triangle with her, Jean, and Scott again, only all three are in the mansion interacting. But that seems far too mundane for the X-Men. Everything with them has to be overly serious, grim, and dramatic. They can't just get junk-mail; it has to be junk-mail from MISTER SINISTER and SUGAR MAN or something. So my money is on Apocalypse, too.

There is a part of me that thinks it would be interesting if Season 2 starts with Wolverine as the natural BMOC and Cyclops feeling a bit resentful of it, given that Xavier used to be HIS foster father, and while he has Jean back, Jean's always been curious about Logan, and, well, Logan filled the position Cyclops was unable to (episode 20). It could be interesting; Cyclops as a bitter Never-Was even with his girlfriend back. The only problem is that would imply some sort of redemption path, but only Wolverine is allowed to redeem himself on this show (or Frost, I guess). Season 1 seemed to imply some sort of redemption path for Cyke, but it went nowhere. He ended the season no better than where he began as a character; hopelessly obsessed with Jean to fulfill his own low esteem, and in no position to hold a candle to Logan's leadership gusto.

I do wonder how Cyclops would fare in Season 2 as a villain, since the show's writers struggled to make him a hero, since he couldn't really rival Wolverine, who was the star hero on a path to redemption that he resolved. It might be interesting if Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister played it not just as being nasty villains, but as accepting someone that Xavier and the X-Men have clearly ignored and cast aside. Hey, they even brought back the only woman who loved Scott and didn't see him as a retainer to Logan. "Sure, we're the so-called 'bad guys', but what have the 'good guys' ever done for you, Cyclops? You were on the verge of destroying yourself in grief for your lost Jean, and the only person who cared was the Hellfire Club's mole and the cause of said grief. Your so-called foster father abandoned you the first chance he got for Wolverine, the better, cooler kid on the block. The other X-Men rally around him as they never have, and never will, for you. With the X-Men, all you'll ever be is a footnote on Wolverine's trophy case; at least with us, you can be our star general, alongside a new love and your best friend. Join uuusssss...." Executed well it could be interesting; part of me fears that whatever happens will make Scott look like more of an unsympathetic cad than Season 1 did, but the other part figures that there's really no undoing that, so may as well go along the natural conclusion and see if the writers can get a better handle that way. You know there's no way they'd dare do a real Wolverine vs. Cyclops fight unless Cyclops was clearly "evil" or working for the bad guy. Only Wolverine is strong enough to break free from bad guy manipulations, after all.

Colossus had a redesign in AGE OF APOCALYPSE, and while I would like the show's writers to focus on fleshing out the characters they have, I'd clearly trade Forge for Colossus. At least, if the storyboard team has finally figured out how to dramatically depict a strong man in a fight sequence. :up: I could forgive Colossus looking like a sad sack, though, if they got his character right; he was usually the uptight "good guy" on a team of cynical veterans or anti-heroes, and that worked for a while.

I am curious to see how Kurt and Wanda's relationship will develop. It was one of season one's few genuinely good surprises.
 
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Yeah, Cyclops is kinda pathetic in this series. His only strong point was his relationship with Emma. I'm really hoping for Emma to come back in this series. Cyclops is more interesting with a bad girl! My only problem with this series is their horrible ability to balance characters. I am the #1 Storm fan, but according to IMDB, she only spoke in 10 episodes, even Forge spoke in more than her. Shadowcat, Iceman, Rogue and Beast aren't much better either.
 
Yeah, the show did have that problem. Beast played a key role almost co-leading the team with Wolverine in the first 3-5 episodes, but once the team roster filled out he gradually took more of a background, exposition role, which is a shame. He had a solid design and Fred Tatasciore voiced him quite well. Still, least he got out for some fights and wasn't really mishandled at all. I should note that WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN is the first X-Men series out of the three that didn't have one Beast centric episode within the first 26. Still, I could argue that out of all the X-Men across 3 cartoons and even films, Beast has usually been handled consistently well, even if he usually doesn't have the spotlight often.

Storm was an almost non-entity. Part of me thinks if she wasn't so well known, she wouldn't be on the team at all. In EVOLUTION, the show's writers struggled to do much with her beyond saddling her with a nephew, Spyke. In this show, while she did have one decent focus episode and later a tacked on relationship out of nowhere with Angel, she did little beyond show up for fights with a thunderbolt or a tornado, usually a few seconds before taking a laser blast in the torso. The irony is that Storm was a missed opportunity and unlike Beast, one could argue she is the one X-Person who is consistently mishandled. Before and during Wolverine's rise to fame, Chris Claremont spent much of his career on the X-Men telling us what a perfect natural leader Storm was rather than Cyclops, who was merely handed the position without ever having to earn it (I mean, hey, she even defeated him for the title sans powers). Regardless of how anyone thinks Cyclops was depicted in the show, whether tragic or cad-ish, there was a good reason why he wasn't leading the team; he was an emotional mess (episode 20 all but spoon fed that Cyclops was never a proper leader or even an above-average X-Man even with Jean stroking his ego, but that's another topic). There was never a good reason why Storm never did. She could have served as counsel to the often impulsive Logan. But that would have implied that Logan, gasp, needs help to plan strategy, and that won't do.

Shadowcat got some spunky moments but naturally not the focus of EVOLUTION, and Iceman is still a "young male hero" cipher. Forge is a CHUCK stereotype of tech support people. To be fair, Rogue actually got a lot of development the first 2/3rd's of the series, with her feeling betrayed by Logan's constant disappearances from the X-Men, her infiltration of the Brotherhood, and eventually her learning to trust Wolverine more (in addition to that vaguely hinted at notion from the original X-MEN film that while Rogue may have seen Logan as a "mentor", she may also have had a crush on him). That said, the minute she returned to the X-Men and "proved herself" against that giant mutant girl, she really didn't do much beyond appear in the "Wolverine team up" episode with Silver Samurai and then finishing her subplot in about 10 seconds at the end by forgiving Wolverine. Still, I wouldn't lump her in with Shadowcat, Forge, and Iceman in terms of non-fleshing. After Wolverine, Cyclops, and Frost, she and Angel were about 4th in line for development.

A cynic might say it is hard to balance a cast of characters when one is entitled to about 7-8 exclusive episodes a season. Upon a rewatch of the 90's X-MEN cartoon, I was impressed at how well they managed to juggle a cast of some 7-8 team members and properly flesh all of them, even the presumed dead Morph, within the first 26 episodes. Contrary to belief, you can flesh a character without giving them an obligatory "focus solo episode", even if those help. If a character or characters show up consistently, have a good voice and usually do and say unique things, they can be supporting characters for an entire season and you could know them very well. SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN pulled that off and made it look easy. I probably know Flash Thompson in 26 episodes better than I sure know Iceman.

W&TXM is a show that usually chose to focus on a complex storyline and on spectacles than on character focus, which sometimes was done haphazardly to try to "make up" for not having done it consistently. Cyclops may not have needed 3 focus episodes if he didn't spent a good 4-5 episodes not getting any lines or even appearances. To me the first season of WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN committed many of their errors because they wanted to do things on the cheap; not expense wise, but in "jumping" into the story. Rather than spend a few episodes building foundations, they assume you know them all and charge headfirst into the subplots. The problem is you CAN'T know it, because this show has it's own continuity. Some bits are lifted from the comics, but others from the movies, or prior cartoons, or even Ultimate comics that didn't exist until about nine years ago. In their zeal to not "go over stuff you already know" in a rush to do all the stuff Kid's WB wouldn't let them do for EVOLUTION, I think the show's writers and producers skipped fundamentals for flash, working on the icing when they should be making sure the cake itself wasn't flat or stale. As such, Season 1's result was just about above average, which is fine for jaded X-MEN 3 viewers who proclaim, "hey, it didn't suck!" in IMDB, but really, achieving mediocrity is the bare minimum; that is why it is mediocrity.

WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN is commercially successful worldwide, more so than a few of Marvel's latest cartoons have been. It was probably approved for a second season based on international ratings. I simply hope that as the writers and producers work on Season 2 they take objective looks on what they didn't do that well at the launch and improve on it. I dread another 26 episodes of more of the same.
 
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Yeah, the show did have that problem. Beast played a key role almost co-leading the team with Wolverine in the first 3-5 episodes, but once the team roster filled out he gradually took more of a background, exposition role, which is a shame. He had a solid design and Fred Tatasciore voiced him quite well. Still, least he got out for some fights and wasn't really mishandled at all. I should note that WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN is the first X-Men series out of the three that didn't have one Beast centric episode within the first 26. Still, I could argue that out of all the X-Men across 3 cartoons and even films, Beast has usually been handled consistently well, even if he usually doesn't have the spotlight often.

Storm was an almost non-entity. Part of me thinks if she wasn't so well known, she wouldn't be on the team at all. In EVOLUTION, the show's writers struggled to do much with her beyond saddling her with a nephew, Spyke. In this show, while she did have one decent focus episode and later a tacked on relationship out of nowhere with Angel, she did little beyond show up for fights with a thunderbolt or a tornado, usually a few seconds before taking a laser blast in the torso. The irony is that Storm was a missed opportunity and unlike Beast, one could argue she is the one X-Person who is consistently mishandled. Before and during Wolverine's rise to fame, Chris Claremont spent much of his career on the X-Men telling us what a perfect natural leader Storm was rather than Cyclops, who was merely handed the position without ever having to earn it (I mean, hey, she even defeated him for the title sans powers). Regardless of how anyone thinks Cyclops was depicted in the show, whether tragic or cad-ish, there was a good reason why he wasn't leading the team; he was an emotional mess (episode 20 all but spoon fed that Cyclops was never a proper leader or even an above-average X-Man even with Jean stroking his ego, but that's another topic). There was never a good reason why Storm never did. She could have served as counsel to the often impulsive Logan. But that would have implied that Logan, gasp, needs help to plan strategy, and that won't do.

Shadowcat got some spunky moments but naturally not the focus of EVOLUTION, and Iceman is still a "young male hero" cipher. Forge is a CHUCK stereotype of tech support people. To be fair, Rogue actually got a lot of development the first 2/3rd's of the series, with her feeling betrayed by Logan's constant disappearances from the X-Men, her infiltration of the Brotherhood, and eventually her learning to trust Wolverine more (in addition to that vaguely hinted at notion from the original X-MEN film that while Rogue may have seen Logan as a "mentor", she may also have had a crush on him). That said, the minute she returned to the X-Men and "proved herself" against that giant mutant girl, she really didn't do much beyond appear in the "Wolverine team up" episode with Silver Samurai and then finishing her subplot in about 10 seconds at the end by forgiving Wolverine. Still, I wouldn't lump her in with Shadowcat, Forge, and Iceman in terms of non-fleshing. After Wolverine, Cyclops, and Frost, she and Angel were about 4th in line for development.

A cynic might say it is hard to balance a cast of characters when one is entitled to about 7-8 exclusive episodes a season. Upon a rewatch of the 90's X-MEN cartoon, I was impressed at how well they managed to juggle a cast of some 7-8 team members and properly flesh all of them, even the presumed dead Morph, within the first 26 episodes. Contrary to belief, you can flesh a character without giving them an obligatory "focus solo episode", even if those help. If a character or characters show up consistently, have a good voice and usually do and say unique things, they can be supporting characters for an entire season and you could know them very well. SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN pulled that off and made it look easy. I probably know Flash Thompson in 26 episodes better than I sure know Iceman.

W&TXM is a show that usually chose to focus on a complex storyline and on spectacles than on character focus, which sometimes was done haphazardly to try to "make up" for not having done it consistently. Cyclops may not have needed 3 focus episodes if he didn't spent a good 4-5 episodes not getting any lines or even appearances. To me the first season of WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN committed many of their errors because they wanted to do things on the cheap; not expense wise, but in "jumping" into the story. Rather than spend a few episodes building foundations, they assume you know them all and charge headfirst into the subplots. The problem is you CAN'T know it, because this show has it's own continuity. Some bits are lifted from the comics, but others from the movies, or prior cartoons, or even Ultimate comics that didn't exist until about nine years ago. In their zeal to not "go over stuff you already know" in a rush to do all the stuff Kid's WB wouldn't let them do for EVOLUTION, I think the show's writers and producers skipped fundamentals for flash, working on the icing when they should be making sure the cake itself wasn't flat or stale. As such, Season 1's result was just about above average, which is fine for jaded X-MEN 3 viewers who proclaim, "hey, it didn't suck!" in IMDB, but really, achieving mediocrity is the bare minimum; that is why it is mediocrity.

WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN is commercially successful worldwide, more so than a few of Marvel's latest cartoons have been. It was probably approved for a second season based on international ratings. I simply hope that as the writers and producers work on Season 2 they take objective looks on what they didn't do that well at the launch and improve on it. I dread another 26 episodes of more of the same.

Wow, fantastic post. You hit the nail on the head :up: This show could definitely learn a trick or two from Spectacular Spider-Man.
 
Yeah, Cyclops is kinda pathetic in this series. His only strong point was his relationship with Emma. I'm really hoping for Emma to come back in this series. Cyclops is more interesting with a bad girl! My only problem with this series is their horrible ability to balance characters. I am the #1 Storm fan, but according to IMDB, she only spoke in 10 episodes, even Forge spoke in more than her. Shadowcat, Iceman, Rogue and Beast aren't much better either.
yep, wished Storm was more used in S1, hopefully S2 will shed more light on her/ more, or some character development
 
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Alison Blaire/Dazzler actually doing something beyond a cameo.
 
I hope each xman/woman have a better presence during the season, not just little cameos at the beggining and end of each episode, that make them look like non dimensional characters.... I dont know how to explain it. It was a bit weird sometimes, it was like the guest star hadn't personality, jut one line of dialogue and thats all.
 
There is a part of me that thinks it would be interesting if Season 2 starts with Wolverine as the natural BMOC and Cyclops feeling a bit resentful of it, given that Xavier used to be HIS foster father, and while he has Jean back, Jean's always been curious about Logan, and, well, Logan filled the position Cyclops was unable to (episode 20). It could be interesting; Cyclops as a bitter Never-Was even with his girlfriend back. The only problem is that would imply some sort of redemption path, but only Wolverine is allowed to redeem himself on this show (or Frost, I guess). Season 1 seemed to imply some sort of redemption path for Cyke, but it went nowhere. He ended the season no better than where he began as a character; hopelessly obsessed with Jean to fulfill his own low esteem, and in no position to hold a candle to Logan's leadership gusto.

I do wonder how Cyclops would fare in Season 2 as a villain, since the show's writers struggled to make him a hero, since he couldn't really rival Wolverine, who was the star hero on a path to redemption that he resolved. It might be interesting if Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister played it not just as being nasty villains, but as accepting someone that Xavier and the X-Men have clearly ignored and cast aside. Hey, they even brought back the only woman who loved Scott and didn't see him as a retainer to Logan. "Sure, we're the so-called 'bad guys', but what have the 'good guys' ever done for you, Cyclops? You were on the verge of destroying yourself in grief for your lost Jean, and the only person who cared was the Hellfire Club's mole and the cause of said grief. Your so-called foster father abandoned you the first chance he got for Wolverine, the better, cooler kid on the block. The other X-Men rally around him as they never have, and never will, for you. With the X-Men, all you'll ever be is a footnote on Wolverine's trophy case; at least with us, you can be our star general, alongside a new love and your best friend. Join uuusssss...." Executed well it could be interesting; part of me fears that whatever happens will make Scott look like more of an unsympathetic cad than Season 1 did, but the other part figures that there's really no undoing that, so may as well go along the natural conclusion and see if the writers can get a better handle that way. You know there's no way they'd dare do a real Wolverine vs. Cyclops fight unless Cyclops was clearly "evil" or working for the bad guy. Only Wolverine is strong enough to break free from bad guy manipulations, after all.
An interesting idea, but do you really think the writers are even capable of doing that right?
 
Wolverine & Storm's Relationship
Wolverine & Storm's Relationship has play a big role in most of the past comics and cartoons but never push as jen and logan would. Ever in X-Men 3 and X-Men ELVO BUT still not that push as other times.Wolverine & Storm's Relationship would be fun to watch in this x men

Storm playing a bigger role and maybe 2 or 3 ep for her

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