what would you like to see in season 2 of Wolverine and the X-Men

[Ratcrawler]

You know what I'd like to see that we probably won't? Character Props. The more I watch this show, the more I feel like they're too defined by their powers.

Nightcrawler, for example could use a sword wich we already know he's adept with. Be cool if he carried one or two around on his uniform. I'd probably give Cyke a shield of some kind. He has a great offensive power but his body seems pretty vulnerable. Basically, I think of it this way; How would I sPecifically defeat each X-Man and what could they have on themselves for protection?

As for more realistic requests...

1) Have the main team consist of WOLVERINE, CYCLOPS, JEAN, ROGUE, BEAST, SHADOWCAT, STORM, ICEMAN, COLOSSUS, PSYLOCKE & GAMBIT. Colossus needs to come back, period. He's been shafted long enough, as has Psylocke. Maybe she can come back as a teacher. I don't care how they get Gambit on the team, just do it.

2) Turn the institute into a school the way it is in the movies and comics. Fill the classes with B, C & D-listers. New X-Men, Generation X, X-Factor, X-Force characters, young Berzrker (pleeeease ^_^) Basically, Genosha on campus.

3) sPeaking of Genosha, have Nightcrawler move there this season to help Wanda & Polaris rebuild. Consequently, Nocturne better show up in Xavier's future.

4) If they're bold enough, God Loves Man Kills.

5) Better fight choreography. Weeks ago, I posted a very cynical review of the X-Men facing off against 4 sentinels as "Incompetent" and "Inconsistent" where neither side had any actual strategy and were basically showboating. Sentinels got pieces blown off and X-Men got temporarily knocked unconscious before walking away without a scratch. Look, if Storm has to walk around in a cast for the two following episodes after being blasted by sentinels twice than so be it. And can we PLEASE get some better weapons than "knock-out" lasers? sPectacular sPider-Man has guns that shoot giant staples and mace balls and, believe it or not, it's LESS corny than said lasers.

6) Ok, when Cyclops takes off his visor...crap needs to be friggin' OBLITERATED. Rended apart, turned inside out and rain down a mile away. Not just knocking Archangel against the side of a building. Call it a power upgrage or whatever. While we're at it, Give Psylocke psyblades, Gambit agility and turn Juggernaut INTO THE ****ING JUGGERNAUT!!

 

[slugzilla]

I'd like to see Colossus back, and for him and Kitty to get together. And I'd love to see my favorite X-Couple Iceman & Rogue too. (After all, she didn't seem to mind riding his sled)

But more than anything else I just want the show to focus less on Wolverine. As far as I'm concerned Logan was the WORST thing about WATXM. All the Logan-centric episodes sucked.

 

[shadowdog]

would love to see some more Colossus
maybe some other mutant teams- X-Factor in particular
some Longshot and some more Dazzler (more than just a cameo, that is)
and I'd LOVE to see some New Mutants
maybe Sunspot and Cannonball
could be very neat

 

[Ratcrawler]

But more than anything else I just want the show to focus less on Wolverine. As far as I'm concerned Logan was the WORST thing about WATXM. All the Logan-centric episodes sucked.

Agreed.

 

[Dread]

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[/SIZE][/FONT] You know with Scott loving Jean to death, and the unexpected Angel/Storm pairing, there’s also a possibility of Emma/Wolvie

I don't see it. Emma had no interest in Logan, which was actually what helped make her appealing. She was one of the few X-People who wasn't in awe of Wolverine in some regard. Rogue had her issues with Logan, but that was over feeling jilted for various reasons. Cyclops didn't like Wolverine, but according to episode 20 it was because Logan threatened Scott's fragile, "house of cards" existence by possibly making him have to actually earn the things he was handed (a girlfriend, and leadership) and Scott proved utterly incapable of that, and even during the crux of the first season proved incapable of that. He never found Jean on his own; Frost did, and she was the only responsible for her disappearance, and was under orders to find Jean anyway. Cyclops failed to protect Jean. He failed to "move on" without Jean and be more to the X-Men beyond the basket case with the eye-beam, who usually needed to be bailed out. The only battle where Cyclops was any sort of competent factor was against the Marauders in episode 23, and that was a battle that was, again, because he needed to be bailed out because he all but forced Frost to storm off after Jean without the rest of the X-Men. He failed to save Jean or Emma and mattered little to the actual ending of the Phoenix Saga; Logan and Frost herself where what mattered most. He got a messload of focus in those last three episodes, but really failed to accomplish much or grow as a character.

I never saw Frost as being thrilled or impressed by Wolverine very often, and was one of the few who would stand up to Logan and at least hint when he was full of it, in a harsher tone that Shadowcat would. About the only reason I could see a resurrected Frost actually dating Logan would be to try to get to Cyclops. "If you're still going to cling to your precious Jean after all I did for you, then I'll make Logan the man I would have made you, Scott, the man you never had the guts to become."

Still, though, I see more storyline potential, as well as more connections with AGE OF APOCALYPSE, if in Season 2 Jean sort of gravitates to Logan while Frost is revived and Scott moves on with her. It would be interesting and would give Jean a chance to become a character instead of someone waiting to die.

Yeah in this anime Mystique isnt Kurt's mother and she have a past story about weapon X

I don't believe they ever actually said she wasn't his mom. Did Kurt & Mystique ever interact after she knocked him out?

No. While this cartoon has connected Mystique more to Wolverine with her involvement with Weapon X, they never said outright that she isn't Nightcrawler's mother. The passage of time in strange in this series; there always could have been enough time between Weapon X and the current age for Mystique to give birth to Kurt. Both the 1990's cartoon and Evolution got a LOT of emotional punch out of Mystique being Kurt's mother and Rogue's foster mother, and how that united the two with or against Mystique. Considering Johnson, Kyle, and Yost where onboard for that stuff the first time and clearly like Nightcrawler and Rogue, enough that they gave both a bit of focus and clear character arcs in two cartoons now, I would be surprised if they abandoned this potential drama forever.

This cartoon is irritating if you are a Colossus fan and can be frustrating if you are a Cyclops fan, but if you are a Nightcrawler fan, than this show is great. Nightcrawler was virtually the only X-Man allowed to almost upstage Wolverine. By that I mean that he was given at least three solo episodes and some focus after them, but unlike Cyclops, Kurt isn't depicted as spiritually, physically and morally inferior to Wolverine in every way.

Basically, in W&TXM, Logan, Kurt, and Scott are all in some ways tragic figures who had hard lives that none of them really asked for. The only difference is that Logan and Kurt took control and used those tragedies to make them better men and heroes, or at least more self aware of their shortcoming. Cyclops never did, and certainly hasn't in Season 1. Logan and Kurt didn't have anyone holding their hand every step of the way to make them who they were; Scott had both Charles and Jean and it STILL wasn't enough. It's very easy to come to the conclusion that Scott is a wimpy *****e compared to the other two. If that isn't intentional, then the writing crew has to seriously improve how they portray characters.

Glad there seems to be so much collective love and desire for more Colossus. The guy has a great design, and a very dramatic and visually interesting power. It would just require actual GOOD storyboard pacing for fight scenes, which this crew seems to do rarely except for the Hulk. Even Juggernaut came off a bit generic here. I do agree that the show needs much better fight pacing and storyboarding; the level to which SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN would outperform this show week in and week out was almost embarassing; like watching a 7th degree blackbelt out-perform a green belt. That isn't to say the action in W&TXM was bad; it was certainly better than FANTASTIC FOUR: WGH sure was. It was just often average, and underwhelming, accomplishing the bare minimum of what a scene desired rather than make it iconic. I've already forgotten many of those battles against Sentinels, which looked better in the intro than in many episodes, but I will never forget Silvermane vs. Doc Ock vs. Tombstone vs. Spider-Man.

I would imagine the X-Men could use Colossus; not just for the power, but because he's usually in that Lawful Good position.

The only strange bit would be if Cyclops in Season 2 was suddenly competent just because Jean is back, when he never was competent with her before (again, episode 20). It would almost be boring.

I still would love to see Cyber.

 

[katie_girl09]

I would like to see a bit more humour in the future. Part of what made the old animated series so good was that it had the right mix of serious and funny. This show does not.
And more Gambit would be nice. Maybe with a different voice.

 

[Slim_X]

Less wolverine!

 

[Dread]

I would like to see a bit more humour in the future. Part of what made the old animated series so good was that it had the right mix of serious and funny. This show does not.
And more Gambit would be nice. Maybe with a different voice.

Gambit is voiced by Phil LaMarr, a regular voice actor for the show (he also voiced Bolivar Trask). I doubt he is being recast. Sorry.

As for more humor, I agree it couldn't hurt. I understand the subject matter is usually mature and often dark, but I agree that even the 90's show tried to have more lighter interludes, even if it usually was from Wolverine, Rogue, or Jubilee having an awkward pun (or Beast having a genuinely funny one). In some ways this show is the polar opposite of FANTASTIC FOUR: WORLD'S GREATEST HEROES, a show that was more a comedy than a superhero show to the point where not even Dr. Doom was taken seriously. This show is the exact opposite; at times it takes itself too seriously. There are some humor moments or characters that supply some, such as Forge, Kitty, and occasionally a quip from Logan or Beast (or the insane Mojo), but beyond that, yeah, this is probably the most perennially serious X-Men cartoon yet. I wouldn't mind it as much if the writing had been stronger, though.

Less wolverine!

It's funny how many people keep saying that.

 

[katie_girl09]

Gambit is voiced by Phil LaMarr, a regular voice actor for the show (he also voiced Bolivar Trask). I doubt he is being recast. Sorry.

As for more humor, I agree it couldn't hurt. I understand the subject matter is usually mature and often dark, but I agree that even the 90's show tried to have more lighter interludes, even if it usually was from Wolverine, Rogue, or Jubilee having an awkward pun (or Beast having a genuinely funny one).

Yeah, I know that they won't be replacing Phil LaMarr, and that's fine. His voice isn't horrible or anything so I can live with it.
In the old animated series, I personally thought that Gambit had most of the funniest lines. And I really am glad that I'm not the only one who notices the lack of humour.

 

[Dread]

Yeah, I know that they won't be replacing Phil LaMarr, and that's fine. His voice isn't horrible or anything so I can live with it.
In the old animated series, I personally thought that Gambit had most of the funniest lines. And I really am glad that I'm not the only one who notices the lack of humour.

The 1990's X-MEN series, while the standard we compare many team shows to (especially subsequent X-Men cartoons) and still stands up in many ways a decade after ending, was also a product of it's time in many ways. I recently rewatched the series and while Gambit does have some amusing wisecracks in it, quite a few of them come off as painfully awkward now. Again, it isn't just him; nearly every major character in that series had some terrible lines, Storm getting the worst of them. If the show had any flaw, it was in choosing to have the characters talk like they might in the comic books, which doesn't always transfer well to other mediums. Shows like X-MEN EVOLUTION and WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN at least have the characters talk more like normal people (even if it does seem as if Storm got very few lines in total in this season).

Now, before I am misunderstood by TheVileOne or something, W&TXM was not completely humorless. The villains Toad and Mojo almost always provided some comedic relief when they showed up, even if both were kind of annoying. In comedy the line between funny and irritating is subjective and fine (with Tom Green being the human example). Nightcrawler and Iceman usually had a sense of humor, even if Iceman wasn't fleshed well. And Wolverine and Kitty often had some wisecracks.

Nor am I thinking that the X-Men should be a comedy series akin to FANTASTIC FOUR: WGH was usually handled. In many ways that show was almost like THE VENTURE BROTHERS, only less crude and played a bit straighter.

But being almost too serious for it's own good has sometimes made the X-Franchise a parody of itself. If someone jumped in front of me and called himself, "The Sugar Man", I would probably double over laughing, but in the X-Men this is taken to be a deadly serious situation. Everything with them is overly serious. I think it is a fair note that W&TXM was probably the most humorless of the three X-Men cartoons so far, and so some noted the sensation. Even some professional writers being interviewed by Wizard in the late 90's usually claimed, in some many words, "if I was on the X-Men, I would have them sometimes lighten up."

Granted, it never lasts. ACADEMY X was a lighter hearted series in the comics focusing on a very large student body of teenage students training to be X-Men. They sometimes fought villains but it was more of a teen soap with powers than a real bleak affair. It needed a minor kick in the rear. Then the launch team left and Kyle & Yost came aboard (and the title was changed to "NEW X-MEN"), and they proceeded to make it "important" by killing virtually every supporting character and making the whole series a bleak, wrist-slitting affair where the characters were too busy being traumatized (often from being physically tortured) to really be characters for very long. It was a swing too far in the other direction, but a swing that is far too common with the X-Men, at least since the 80's. Note the bleak seriousness of X-FORCE now, or even the more recent YOUNG X-MEN. Even Wizard used to sometimes quip that between all the dire tones and bleak futures, the X-Men would be better off committing mass suicide.

The key is a balance. A lot of people dismissed the "high school plots" of X-MEN EVOLUTION but I thought that it actually helped me FEEL the loss of their security once mutantcy was "outed" at the end of Season 2 because we got to see an idea of normalcy that they had, which was now lost. It's hard to feel the loss of something you never saw a character experience; hence why Cyclops' loss of Jean in this show was usually superficial and even more selfish on his part than maybe the writers intended.

Next season is AGE OF APOCALYPSE, though, so I doubt the tone will change much. If the writing character improves, it won't be a big deal honestly.

 

[Cyma]

I’m not sure if it has been mentioned before, but I want to see a better hairstyle for Storm! And Rogue letting her hair loose for once would also be nice.

 

[Neptune]

I'd like to see Colossus back, and for him and Kitty to get together. And I'd love to see my favorite X-Couple Iceman & Rogue too. (After all, she didn't seem to mind riding his sled)

Awesome metaphor

 

[Dread]

I’m not sure if it has been mentioned before, but I want to see a better hairstyle for Storm! And Rogue letting her hair loose for once would also be nice.

Yeah, I will say that X-MEN EVOLUTION probably was able to handle Storm's hairdo the best out of the various shows so far.

 

[sniktsnakt]

Emma's diamond form was introduced in the first place to take over Colossus's strength. Now that she's gone, it's the perfect time for our metal boy to come on back over.

I'd love to see Logan in Madripoor, myself, but I'm not sure how they'd cut it.

Australia arc from the comics would also be kinda nifty (as long as they abridged it *a lot.*

 

[Dread]

Emma's diamond form was introduced in the first place to take over Colossus's strength. Now that she's gone, it's the perfect time for our metal boy to come on back over.

I'd love to see Logan in Madripoor, myself, but I'm not sure how they'd cut it.

Australia arc from the comics would also be kinda nifty (as long as they abridged it *a lot.*

Madripoor could just be a place Logan goes to. He has to become "Patch" to go undercover for something. It could be done.

As for Emma's diamond form, while she was invulnerable, she did not gain any enhanced strength, beyond enough might to move her diamond body.

Again, I really fail to see what is so bloody hard about pacing Colossus in a fight. Beast has super-strength, but Colossus has GREATER strength. Frost is invulnerable but Colossus is likely at least as tough if not more so, and is larger and denser. For F's sake, JUSTICE LEAGUE UNLIMITED had at least 3-5 characters I could think of whose powers involved super strength, invulnerability, and flight, and they all managed to look distinctive and cool. There is no reason beyond poor storyboard talent that Colossus couldn't at least look competent. And for professionals, that is not an excuse I can accept.

 

[TheVileOne]

I liked that point about Emma not really having enhanced strength.

I've noticed in her diamond form in the comics, she doesn't really exhibit any Colossus like feats in that form.

 

[Dread]

No, she doesn't. In the comics, her diamond form makes her relatively invulnerable, but not super-strong. It likely makes her stronger than her normal form if only so she can move at about her normal speed in "organic diamond" form, but beyond that she can't lift over 75 tons of weight (at least according to 1990's Handbooks) like Colossus can; some editors put Colossus' current strength at "around" Thing's level, which would be about 85 tons or so.

I did like that the cartoon got that part about Frost's powers right. I thought overall she was handled very well across the season, and while I understand why she was the one sacrificed for the finale and not you-know-who, it does leave Season 2 a bit emptier if she is gone for long.

Again, a lot of people dismiss Colossus by going, "oh, Beast has super strength and whatever, so he isn't needed". I only see that as an excuse, just as I see as an excuse people who dismiss his character by going, "he's too mired in the Cold War era". Please, so were the Fantastic Four once upon a time; good writing can overcome that, and if the comic stories are lacking, then guess what, this is a cartoon that can do it's own thing. Frankly Colossus always did well for me as part of the X-Men (and not as a solo character; while Wolverine and some of the other X-Men can support solo stories, Colossus usually can't) because at least in theory he was a humble farmer and novice before joining the team and was experiencing a lot of things for the first time. He wasn't as cynical as Logan or as callous as Cyclops could sometimes be (sometimes a leader has to be, or appear, cold and distant; "needs of the many" and all that). Among many of the X-Men Piotr was among the more selfless and compassionate despite his mighty strength or occasional battlefield anger (such as when he finally declared Proteus an "ultimate evil" and slew him, or slew Riptide during the Morlock Massacre). Yeah, he did occasionally make out with, although refuse to sleep with, a jail-bait Kitty Pryde, but please, Logan has no qualms making out with women about 80 years younger. Honestly I always thought Piotr Rasputin was similar to how a Clark Kent may have been, only he was raised on a Russian farm rather than one on Kansas, was on a team, faced some darker adventures, and had fewer powers (and started his superhero career at 19; post-1986's Crisis, Kent was supposedly in his 20's before becoming Superman, although that may have changed again). There is room for a bit of a naive, do-gooder introvert on a team adventure story. There are fun ways to play with that without resorting to what I call "Russkie" cliche stories like Cold War stuff or Russian Mafia stuff. Once upon a time Claremont used to be able to pull that off. Many of the writers since haven't.

As for powers, well, JLU had Superman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Supergirl, Captain Atom, and even for one episode Captain Marvel who are all superheroes who can fly, are invulnerable, have super-strength and super-speed. All managed to be distinct, all exciting to watch in a fight, and it all worked. No, I do not accept excuses for mediocre writing or storyboarding, not from a team I know can excel. This isn't TOTALLY SPIES.

This is a show that managed to devote an episode to Squidboy, a Chuck Austin creation for F's sake, and make it work in the context of an episode. But Colossus is too difficult. That's baloney on stilts if they really wanted to try.

 

[TheVileOne]

Any excuse for Dread to write a rant about Colossus and he will take it

Also Dread, I haven't seen anyone really making these excuses about not having Colossus for this reason or another. So your complaints sort of seem empty. The creators never said they wrote out Colossus for this reason or that reason. Its very possible they have a plan in mind for him.

I never heard Johnson, Gordon, Yost, or Kyle say that Colossus is too difficult.

 

[TheVileOne]

Any excuse for Dread to write a rant about Colossus and he will take it

Also Dread, I haven't seen anyone really making these excuses about not having Colossus for this reason or another. So your complaints sort of seem empty. The creators never said they wrote out Colossus for this reason or that reason. Its very possible they have a plan in mind for him.

I never heard Johnson, Gordon, Yost, or Kyle say that Colossus is too difficult.

 

[HotSoup]

But yet they don't use him, despite him being featured in promotions and toys, instead writing him out using the excuse that he just wants to hang with his family.

You don't always have to say it straight out.

 

[TheVileOne]

So?

A lot of characters appeared but didn't say or do a lot in the season. And some of them were very popular characters.

 

[scottsummers87]

id like to see Cable adapted to the story. Emma return. gambit join the team and my list:
Cannon ball
Havoc
Omega Red
Star jammers
Banshee

 

[Dread]

Any excuse for Dread to write a rant about Colossus and he will take it

Also Dread, I haven't seen anyone really making these excuses about not having Colossus for this reason or another. So your complaints sort of seem empty. The creators never said they wrote out Colossus for this reason or that reason. Its very possible they have a plan in mind for him.

I never heard Johnson, Gordon, Yost, or Kyle say that Colossus is too difficult.

I make that assumption because the last time all these creators got together for an X-Men show was X-MEN EVOLUTION. They had Colossus show up in 8 episodes, the most in his animation history. And they virtually wasted him. He had no character arc. He only had HINTS at a conflict, or a dilemma, and it was resolved quickly, off camera. He had a nice design, and a decent voice actor, but he was given little to do. He lost practically every fight he was in, and usually lost very easily. Whatever appeal he has in the comics, it was not transferred to Evolution. The writers chose to introduce Legion and Mirage in their last episodes, rather than flesh him. To me that is quite telling. I liked most of EVOLUTION, and enjoyed how they handled most of their characters, from Cyclops to Lance to even Blob. Colossus, however, was the exception of EVOLUTION, a totally underwhelming effort. Used for his recognizibility, but not given enough development or focus to matter. Kind of like many of the film cameo's.

In WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN, Colossus is literally the ONLY member of the X-Men who was at the mansion before the explosion who failed to return, and for the lamest of reasons. Iceman and Kitty have families, too. In the comics, Colossus' family all but shoved Piotr onto Xavier's plane, feeling his powers were wasted with them and could benefit the world. The 90's cartoon in two episodes at least gave Colossus a decent character arc; he had come to America to spare his family persecution by the then-Communist government due to his mutantcy, but when he heard his homeland was being destroyed by Omega Red, he was eager to return and rebuild. He is featured heavily in trailers and promotional artwork, and in toys, acknowledging from a commercial aspect that he is at least recognizable to the mainstream audience. Maybe not as much as Wolverine, Beast, or Cyclops, but more so than, say, Psylocke or Forge. They had every opportunity to include him in this season; they CHOSE not to. For me that is fairly telling. I mean he's not a character that Marvel is going to INSIST they use no matter what, like Wolverine is.

I would argue Psylocke did a lot more this season than Colossus. So did Gambit, Hellion, X-23, Dust, and Squidboy.

More Colossus is definitely on my wish list, especially if they actually figure out how to write and storyboard him so he is interesting and dynamic. If it's going to be another underwhelming blunder/tease like he was in EVOLUTION, then I probably would rather he stay absent. I know I said otherwise before, but I changed my mind. Seeing Cyclops given so much focus, and yet portrayed as such an unsympathetic, sad sack, selfish and worthless character has convinced me that I'd rather see a character gone than mishandled. If they are gone, you can at least assume they are what you may remember them to be, just are off camera. If they are mishandled, then all you can see them as is what the writers portray them as.

The irony is that Colossus and Wolverine usually got along pretty well and served as X-Men together for ages of time, even when the founders and even Cyclops left the team. But Johnson, Kyle, Yost, and Gordon wouldn't be the first or last team of writers unable to figure a way to write Colossus decently. I concede it isn't easy. I just don't condone a failure to try.

 

[TheVileOne]

I make that assumption because the last time all these creators got together for an X-Men show was X-MEN EVOLUTION. They had Colossus show up in 8 episodes, the most in his animation history. And they virtually wasted him. He had no character arc. He only had HINTS at a conflict, or a dilemma, and it was resolved quickly, off camera. He had a nice design, and a decent voice actor, but he was given little to do. He lost practically every fight he was in, and usually lost very easily. Whatever appeal he has in the comics, it was not transferred to Evolution. The writers chose to introduce Legion and Mirage in their last episodes, rather than flesh him. To me that is quite telling. I liked most of EVOLUTION, and enjoyed how they handled most of their characters, from Cyclops to Lance to even Blob. Colossus, however, was the exception of EVOLUTION, a totally underwhelming effort. Used for his recognizibility, but not given enough development or focus to matter. Kind of like many of the film cameo's.

I think you are taking treatment of your favorite characters too personally. There are a lot of characters I like a lot that don't get much face time or character development in these cartoons.

Clearly after the explosion Kitty didn't go to stay with her family. So obviously there was something wrong there. Bobby wanted to re-join the team, but his family didn't want him to.

Colossus wanted to stay in his family farm on Russia. I think that's OK provided they go back to this and do something about it. If you do a Storm episode that shows like Omega Red attacking and Colossus sees that he belongs with the X-men again, the result is the same.

In WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN, Colossus is literally the ONLY member of the X-Men who was at the mansion before the explosion who failed to return, and for the lamest of reasons. Iceman and Kitty have families, too. In the comics, Colossus' family all but shoved Piotr onto Xavier's plane, feeling his powers were wasted with them and could benefit the world. The 90's cartoon in two episodes at least gave Colossus a decent character arc; he had come to America to spare his family persecution by the then-Communist government due to his mutantcy, but when he heard his homeland was being destroyed by Omega Red, he was eager to return and rebuild. He is featured heavily in trailers and promotional artwork, and in toys, acknowledging from a commercial aspect that he is at least recognizable to the mainstream audience. Maybe not as much as Wolverine, Beast, or Cyclops, but more so than, say, Psylocke or Forge. They had every opportunity to include him in this season; they CHOSE not to. For me that is fairly telling. I mean he's not a character that Marvel is going to INSIST they use no matter what, like Wolverine is.

Forge filled a role that Colossus couldn't to be the X-men's engineer.

I would argue Psylocke did a lot more this season than Colossus. So did Gambit, Hellion, X-23, Dust, and Squidboy.

There was nothing wrong with Squidboy's appareance. And they killed Squidboy so I mean . . . thems the breaks. I think you are splitting hairs about X-23. If you actually count the seconds she probably barely had more.

The irony is that Colossus and Wolverine usually got along pretty well and served as X-Men together for ages of time, even when the founders and even Cyclops left the team. But Johnson, Kyle, Yost, and Gordon wouldn't be the first or last team of writers unable to figure a way to write Colossus decently. I concede it isn't easy. I just don't condone a failure to try.

I don't consider it a failure unless it never happens in the entire run of the show. Jury is still out, sorry.

 

[Dread]

I think you are taking treatment of your favorite characters too personally. There are a lot of characters I like a lot that don't get much face time or character development in these cartoons.

Clearly after the explosion Kitty didn't go to stay with her family. So obviously there was something wrong there. Bobby wanted to re-join the team, but his family didn't want him to.

Colossus wanted to stay in his family farm on Russia. I think that's OK provided they go back to this and do something about it. If you do a Storm episode that shows like Omega Red attacking and Colossus sees that he belongs with the X-men again, the result is the same.

Just curious, what characters are these? Is it just X-Characters or were you talking Marvel characters in general?

See, you have a point that something was wrong with Kitty's family if she was on her way to Genosha; wouldn't it have been nice if this had been explored, if she had actually been a character, rather than simply, "spunky X-girl who is sort of dating Iceman by obligation"? Kitty's a cool character, focusing on her a bit usually works out.

The problem is that while Colossus is my on wish list and on a few others for next season, my faith in this show's writing team to handle that sort of material well is less than zero. If they couldn't get Colossus right in a show where Wolverine actually wasn't the central focus, why would I expect them to do so now? If anything, aside for the HULK VS. DTV, I haven't seen this team pace a fight sequence that was terribly above average, especially with a "tanker" character. Compare some of Rhino's fight sequences in SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN to, say, Blob's in this show, and the comparison is almost embarassing. This is the first X-MEN cartoon to completely stumble and fail upon making Juggernaut seem like a threat; and hell, even SPIDER-MAN AND HIS AMAZING FRIENDS pull that off, so did PRYDE OF THE X-MEN. In this show, Juggernaut was really nothing special. The most he did was put a distracted Cyclops in the infirmary; big deal. Cyclops in this season was about as self-defeating as you can get. While I can sort of imagine Kyle and Johnson going, "Every single X-Men cartoon has the 'omigod, Juggernaut is unstoppable' episode, let's skip that", the problem is that WITHOUT that, Juggernaut isn't effective as a character unless you play up him being Xavier's stepbrother...which they didn't, either.

I digress. I would love for Season 2 to prove me wrong in this regard. But I am saying that they have their work cut out for them. They had every opportunity to dig out the metal dude this season, and failed. When they had him in EVOLUTION, they botched him, one of the few characters they botched from start to finish; even Spyke got cool by Season 4. Therefore, I have come to the conclusion that for whatever reason they don't care for Colossus and I will probably be lucky if he shows up as often as Mellencamp did. It will be very hard for him to matter much to the rest of the X-Men who have been together a season already and seem important. I wouldn't mind a sort of modern attempt at "RED DAWN", only I don't imagine Wolverine would take quite the back seat he did in the 90's.

Forge filled a role that Colossus couldn't to be the X-men's engineer.

And comic relief.

There was nothing wrong with Squidboy's appareance. And they killed Squidboy so I mean . . . thems the breaks. I think you are splitting hairs about X-23. If you actually count the seconds she probably barely had more.

Giving a 6-7 year old creation by Chuck Austen, only one of the worst writers ever to grace the X-Men franchise, more focus and importance to the season than a 33-34 year old creation from Len Wein and Dave Cockrum seems a bit irritating to me. Especially since Squidboy was an incredibly obvious knock on Grant Morrison's Beak, anyway.

I was exaggerating a bit with X-23. But she was vital to winning the battle of 2028. Colossus was vital to nothing. The X-Men don't even miss him. Not even Kitty or Nightcrawler mention him.

I don't consider it a failure unless it never happens in the entire run of the show. Jury is still out, sorry.

Fair point. Just logic and prior evidence doesn't give me a lot of faith. But I guess some people buy into hope.