The Dark Knight What's the need to recycle Rachel Dawes and Scarecrow?

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Is it because of Nolan's loyalty to the actors and scriptwriters? I want to see new villains like the Penguin or Riddler, and less so with Scarecrow. There are going to be 3 movies from Nolan, so a variety of villains is needed.

As for Rachel Dawes, I believe it's even more unnecessary. Batman doesn't require a romantic arc that will cut off some time for action scenes.

Batman:
More action scenes
More detective scenes
Less romance
Less people gawking over Bat-Toys
Less recycled villain

While I agree with you on Dawes, Scarecrow is one of the coolest Batman villains around, and I want to see someone look at Joker all drugged up and gassed up and make Joker look like a man-eating, homicidal clown, or a ****ed up Jack in the box, or something that'd leave you trembling in terror. There's plenty of more screentime and room for Scarecrow and I welcome him back wholeheartedly.

 

[Anguissette1979]

ROFL opps I quoted the wrong dude, dude. Lol Anyways it dont matter what I said is basically true.

You are forgiven, my child....

 

[shapeshifter]

Newsies. Watched it with my two best friends at my 13th birthday party. Went back and started with Empire of the Sun, Treasure Island, etc... it's been an illness since.

my wife is the same way. she was obsessed with newsies until she came to know the addiction known as Depp

 

[Anguissette1979]

my wife is the same way. she was obsessed with newsies until she came to know the addiction known as Depp

It has waned in recent years but I still have a distinct appreciation. I had the theater sheet for Swing Kids (HUGE!) on my wall until my senior year of high school...

Now all I have is 12" BB figurine on my bookshelf downstairs. Speaking of which... I should put that on my desk at work!

 

[Gilpesh]

I want to see new villains like the Penguin or Riddler, and less so with Scarecrow. There are going to be 3 movies from Nolan, so a variety of villains is needed.

This hardcore Burtonite/Shumacherite might disagree with me, but at least he has to say why Penquin or Riddler or a variet of villains are necessary.

 

[shapeshifter]

It has waned in recent years but I still have a distinct appreciation. I had the theater sheet for Swing Kids (HUGE!) on my wall until my senior year of high school...

Now all I have is 12" BB figurine on my bookshelf downstairs. Speaking of which... I should put that on my desk at work!

check out "the land of faraway" sometime. he's about 11 years old. its really odd to see him that young.
So how did you like "American Psycho" it really made my skin crawl. I liked it a lot but it was seriously intense

 

[chiefchirpa]

what?

buddy there are 2 and a half new villains in TDK....I guess you're not a hardcore fan but we've got 1. Joker, 2. Maroni and (1/2)Harvey Dent (Two-Face) in the 3rd film.

Actually come to think of it, I think there are too many villains already in the film. Is there enough screentime for Joker, Sal Maroni, or pre-Two Face if Scarecrow is in the movie?

 

[RemixSprites]

[/tapioca]

I concur.

 

[Anguissette1979]

I don't want Nolan to do the Spiderman thing - two or three new villains out of nowhere every movie. I like the development arc it seems he's following.

Joker - mentioned in last movie
Maroni - SOMEONE has to take over for Falcone
Dent - Has to replace Finch... we grow to love him, he becomes Two Face...

 

[Anguissette1979]

So how did you like "American Psycho" it really made my skin crawl. I liked it a lot but it was seriously intense

FANTASTIC movie. I was horrified and amused all at the same time (and there are some lovely eye candy shots). I really liked Equilibrium as well.

 

[markaudette]

Okay, look, it's this 'THERE-MUST-BE-A-NEW-VILLIAN-EVERY-MOVIE' fever that can kill the franchise. Or any superhero movie franchise.

The real gift of any good superhero movie franchise is developing a story arc that is so well written that it can easily span several movies. Otherwise, the "new villian each and every movie" schtick would follow such a strict formula that each and every movie would be a carbon copy of the previous movie. It just wouldn't be very pretty at all.

Racheal is extremely important to the new Batman mythos. She is responsible for turning Bruce in a direction that puts him on the road to finding himself. Even after the events in Batman Begins, she is still his voice of reason - his balance. Because Bruce is still a little rough around the edges. He still has the tendency to give in to his anger and rage. Rachael still needs to be there to help remind him about the moral high road and the need to bring justice to Gotham instead of just slaughtering the wicked. Bruce still needs Rachael for her guidance.

And Scarecrow - he's awesome. Cillian Murphy is awesome. Enough said.

And the Penguin never, EVER needs to be mentioned in the Nolan universe.

Story arcs that encompass several movies is the sign of a well written, well acted, well produced, well made movie.

 

[Shoemeister]

I concur.

THANK YOU!

 

[Anguissette1979]

Actually come to think of it, I think there are too many villains already in the film. Is there enough screentime for Joker, Sal Maroni, or pre-Two Face if Scarecrow is in the movie?

I can't imagine that Scarecrow will be a major character... reference him enough so that we learn what has become of him since he was tasered in the face in the Narrows and move on.

 

[chiefchirpa]

This hardcore Burtonite/Shumacherite might disagree with me, but at least he has to say why Penquin or Riddler or a variet of villains are necessary.

Because people want to see Penguin or Riddler (admit that you want to see them). I already see Scarecrow is a pathetic villain in the first film, why do I want to see him linger for the second film?

Actually, after strider said there are 2.5 villains - Dark Knight has enough villains. No need for Cillian Murphy.

 

[shapeshifter]

FANTASTIC movie. I was horrified and amused all at the same time (and there are some lovely eye candy shots). I really liked Equilibrium as well.

equilibrium does not get the respect it deserves.

 

[chiefchirpa]

I don't want Nolan to do the Spiderman thing - two or three new villains out of nowhere every movie. I like the development arc it seems he's following.

Joker - mentioned in last movie
Maroni - SOMEONE has to take over for Falcone
Dent - Has to replace Finch... we grow to love him, he becomes Two Face...

Yeah that Spider-Man 3 is stupid. If Dark Knight only has the Joker as the sole villain that's ok with me. I guess I don't have the love for Scarecrow as he's such a weak supporting villain in BB.

 

[Gilpesh]

Because people want to see Penguin or Riddler (admit that you want to see them). I already see Scarecrow is a pathetic villain in the first film, why do I want to see him linger for the second film?

Actually, after stridersaid there are 2.5 villains - Dark Knight has enough villains. No need for Cillian Murphy.

Okay. I get it. Your opinion is so awesome that you count as not just "I" but people. Cause when you don't like Scarecrow and want Penguin and Ridder, that obviously means that everyone else wants that instead of actually showing that the last movie happened and that those people still exist.

 

[scifiwolf]

Actually come to think of it, I think there are too many villains already in the film. Is there enough screentime for Joker, Sal Maroni, or pre-Two Face if Scarecrow is in the movie?

You mean like was there enough time for Ra's Al Ghul, Scarecrow, Zsaz, Falcone, Flass, Earle, Judge Fayden, Joe Chill, and any other named villains/heavies?

Yes.

 

[chiefchirpa]

Okay, look, it's this 'THERE-MUST-BE-A-NEW-VILLIAN-EVERY-MOVIE' fever that can kill the franchise. Or any superhero movie franchise.

The real gift of any good superhero movie franchise is developing a story arc that is so well written that it can easily span several movies. Otherwise, the "new villian each and every movie" schtick would follow such a strict formula that each and every movie would be a carbon copy of the previous movie. It just wouldn't be very pretty at all.

Racheal is extremely important to the new Batman mythos. She is responsible for turning Bruce in a direction that puts him on the road to finding himself. Even after the events in Batman Begins, she is still his voice of reason - his balance. Because Bruce is still a little rough around the edges. He still has the tendency to give in to his anger and rage. Rachael still needs to be there to help remind him about the moral high road and the need to bring justice to Gotham instead of just slaughtering the wicked. Bruce still needs Rachael for her guidance.

And Scarecrow - he's awesome. Cillian Murphy is awesome. Enough said.

And the Penguin never, EVER needs to be mentioned in the Nolan universe.

Story arcs that encompass several movies is the sign of a well written, well acted, well produced, well made movie.

Okay, okay.

I don't agree Scarecrow is awesome. Cillian M maybe.

Anyway there's downside of keeping less variety of villains in a superhero movie - Superman's Lex Luthor. Variety can keep the series fresh.

 

[Anguissette1979]

You mean like was there enough time for Ra's Al Ghul, Scarecrow, Zsaz, Falcone, Flass, Earle, Judge Fayden, Joe Chill, and any other named villains/heavies?

Yes.

I don't know that I'd consider Flass, Earle, and Fayden villians... ********s... but not villains.

 

[Shoemeister]

You mean like was there enough time for Ra's Al Ghul, Scarecrow, Zsaz, Falcone, Flass, Earle, Judge Fayden, Joe Chill, and any other named villains/heavies?

Yes.

Somethin' like that, yep. t:

 

[shapeshifter]

Because people want to see Penguin or Riddler (admit that you want to see them). I already see Scarecrow is a pathetic villain in the first film, why do I want to see him linger for the second film?

Actually, after strider said there are 2.5 villains - Dark Knight has enough villains. No need for Cillian Murphy.

we may well see Coblepot working as a fence and Roman Scionis trying to build his empire, but this is gotham city. its crawling with villans, and these movies seem to running with the theme of crazies and monsters replacing the mob. that theme might seem a little weak without a full cast of monsters.

 

[chiefchirpa]

You mean like was there enough time for Ra's Al Ghul, Scarecrow, Zsaz, Falcone, Flass, Earle, Judge Fayden, Joe Chill, and any other named villains/heavies?

Yes.

You mean Ken Watanabe's Ra's Al Ghul?

C'mon.

 

[chiefchirpa]

What's the reason why Nolan doesn't want Cobblepot in his movies?

 

[Anjow1060]

<==== Not a hardcore nolanite and thinks ur an idiot. This thread is pointless.

Close please.