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If you were Christopher Nolan, how would you make the third film in this series? Be sure to include characters, themes, plotline, and why you make the movie this (your) way. . .
I have been thinking a lot lately on the next film in this series. I want to know what everyone would do if they were Christopher Nolan. I am not asking you to explain what you think should happen in the next film, I want to know what you would put into it. This is what I would do . . . .
The third Batman movie in this series (if another one is truly needed) should have a theme of redemption. As left off from The Dark Knight, Batmans image has been destroyed to comply and to save Harvey Dents image as Gothams White Knight.
Villains for the movie
Mr. Freeze/ The Riddler as the main antagonist(s)
Mr. Freeze is one of Batmans most tragic villains in his rouge gallery. Mr. Freeze could work well into the theme of redemption. The Riddler could also serve well into this theme.
The Riddler could fit well into Nolans realistic take on Batman. I believe that the Riddlers origins should not be explained, but rarely mentioned (much like the Jokers). Only one name is given, towards the end: Edward Nigma. Also, have his intentions to basically want to destroy the Government, because of his hatred for it (which is never explained). He is not displayed as a killer, but a cyber-terrorist who hacks into various networks, and shuts them down.
Also, have him download stored files containing information on Gotham City and present this knowledge to the mob. Make him a cyber-terrorist, like I suggested, and this is possible. He leaves riddles/clues on various computers, laptops, and other devices capable of being hacked into, of his next crime. As the film progress, he becomes more dangerous, via his hacking skills.
This would work well, having all major systems, including Wayne Enterprises (maybe) shut down, causing mass chaos. Also, show the Riddler as using a cane.
Actor I prefer/recommend-Crispin Glover, Johnny Depp, Viggo Mortensen (All good actors, who would bring the character to life)
Mr. Freeze can be displayed as realistic in Nolans Batman universe. Victor Fries could be a Cryogenic expert working for Wayne Enterprises. However, when Wayne Enterprises shuts down Friess operations and refuses to fund his further research into developing a cure for his wife Nora, who is currently in the hospital with a rare blood/cancer disease, he steals an experimental exoskeleton suit and a liquid nitrogen compartment from the Weapons Development Department from Wayne Industries, and vows to kill the Board Members of Wayne Corps.
The Gun could be but a simple rod of metal that sprays liquid nitrogen from a compartment located on Freezes back. And the suit could resemble Mark II of Iron Mans armor from the recent movie Iron Man, yet, a bit simplified. Call it an experimental exoskeleton design and you have Mr. Freeze with his suit and gun. Simple, realistic and it could work well.
Actor I prefer/recommend-Eric Bana (I know I am going to get a lot of critical response for this choice, but I stand with it)
Secondary villains
Catwoman/the Penguin/Rupert Thorne/the Black Mask
Catwoman could fit nicely into a film such as this. She could be a vigilante that steps into Batmans role as a hero amongst Gotham, in the Bats absent. She could state her origin to Batman (not shown) and state that her alias was hacked (by the Riddler, unknown to her) and she decided to take the role of vigilante intent on taking down the mob. She uses her traditional bullwhip, along with retractable claws on her gloves. She also steals constantly and is an expert at stealth and martial arts. Selina Kyle becomes a friend of Bruce Wayne, but Catwoman becomes the new love interest of Batman.
Actress I prefer/recommend-Rachel Weisz or Kate Beckinsale (Both are beautiful actresses that both know how to kick ass in tights)
The Penguin could also fit very well into this new, more modern age. He could be an English arms dealer, named Oswald Cobblepot, who realizes that Gothams government is falling (due to the recent hacks by the Riddler) and begins providing for the arising mob. He supplies to various families, such as the Falcone and Thorne families. He does not have to be shown much, but make him a threat because of what he deals out to the mob. Give him a role about the length of Detective Flass in Batman Begins, although, make him a bit more sinister.
Actor I prefer/recommend-Alfred Molina (I doubt he would consider playing another villain after Doctor Octopus, but he is still my main choice)
Rupert Thorne could have a role about the same length of time Salvatore Maroni or Carmine Falcone had. A short, but substantial role. Show Thorne as taking total control over the mob. He is in deals with Cobblepot/The Penguin and the Riddler and make it as if he has a desire to control Gotham, and with Gothams major systems failing, including the main Government, he nearly succeeds. This way, Gotham reverts back to being controlled by criminality making a desire for the Batman to return and redeem himself.
Actor I prefer/recommend-Brain Cox (I read somewhere else that someone recommended him and I agree)
The Black Mask could work as another mob boss. Again, not too much screen time needs to be shown, but enough to establish the fact that the mafia is arising and his intentions are for the worse. He could be made to be a possible hit man or just, as I stated above, another mob boss. As for the mask, it could be a simple metal mask designed to look like a skull, covering facial scarring or for just the purpose to intimidate others.
Actor I prefer/recommend-Ray Liotta (I read on another forum that he would play a good Black Mask and I agree)
New Characters
Harvey Bullock/Vicky Vale/Hugo Strange/Others
Harvey Bullock could easily replace Detective Wuertz. He could be displayed as another corrupt cop or a true one. Personally, I believe that he should be a true to cop, and not corrupted because the last few Detectives within Gordons unit were all corrupt (i.e. Wuertz, Ramirez, and Flass). This way, Gordon has someone inside of his unit that he can trust. Only a medium amount of screen time needs to be shown, but enough time needs to be shown that he is a different kind of cop, one who does not mind using force to achieve what he wants. Show him attempting to put down the arising mob and all the criminals that are taking Gotham back.
Actor I prefer/recommend-Michael Chiklis (After viewing his performance on the show The Shield, I say that Chiklis would play Bullock very well)
Vicky Vale would fit into a story such as this better than just about anyone. After the death of Rachel, Bruce does not know if he should move on. He cannot forget about Rachel, but Vicky Vale could be that person to replace Dawes. Make her a photographer or a journalist for Gotham City News possibly doing a story on the Batman (much like the original movie Batman) and make her the new love interest of Bruce Wayne. She needs to have a significant amount of screen time to show and press the point that she is becoming Bruces new love interest.
Actress I prefer/recommend-Charlie Theron (A good actress who seems that she could easily seduce Bruce and the audience as Vicky Vale)
Hugo Strange could work nicely into this storyline. He could be seen not as a villain, but as someone whose intentions are left unclear throughout the entire movie. Again, this characters screen time does not have to be that long. But enough time needs to be shown that he is now the head of Arkham Asylum as more and more criminals are being locked up. Also, make Strange become fascinated with the Batman.
Actor I prefer/recommend-Jeff Bridges (Another good actor, although after playing Obadiah Stane in Iron Man, I am not sure if he would want to return to a comic book movie adaptation)
Like the previous two Batman films, new characters are introduced, characters that are solely made up for the movie and serve as purpose to only the movie. Some new characters could include a new Gotham City Judge, named members of the Board at Wayne Enterprises, a new District Attorney, and other mafia/mob bosses. All could fit well into the storyline of Gotham having no true peace and the rise of criminality again, while keeping to the theme of redemption.
Recurring characters
Batman/Bruce Wayne/Alfred Pennyworth/James Gordon/Lucious Fox/other possibilities
Batman in this next film needs to have a strong character development and a strong character arc. Batman should not be used much until later in the film (because he took the blame for Harvey Two-Faces murders). However, when Batman eventually debuts on screen, make it as if he is struggling between the darker side of his personality and becoming the hero that Gotham needs and deserves after Gotham begins to fall to criminality. He needs to be shown as a hero, a true hero, in order to redeem himself in the eyes of Gotham City. Thus sticking to the overall theme of redemption.
Bruce Wayne in the next film also needs to have a strong story arc. Bruce Wayne needs to be shown as suffering from the thoughts of losing Rachel, which he blames on himself. To make the story a bit more tragic and compelling, make it as if Bruce has decided not to be Batman (until he realizes that Batman is needed) and that the Joker winning was inevitable. Also, introduce a love triangle into Bruces life to show that he is moving on, through difficulty. Have Catwoman the love interest of Batman and Vicky Vale the new love interest to Bruce Wayne.
Alfred needs to have a significant amount more of screen time in this film. Alfred needs to be portrayed as more of a fatherly figure to Bruce that he is in the comics. BB did a good job expressing this, but TDK left Alfred out in many situations where he could have been used. Make Alfred a more main character and have him advise and help Bruce/Batman through his overall struggle to achieve redemption.
James Gordon in this next film needs to remain loyal to the GCPD but also have a secret trust in the Batman. Possibly secret meetings between the two or maybe even have Gordon lose faith and trust in the Batman as criminality rises and almost becomes uncontrollable for the police. Gordon needs to be shown as a leader (Commissioner) and make decisions that could affect his entire unit.
Lucious Fox could play a role in this third film that is about as long as his role in TDK. Enough time to, in some way, help Batman and provide state-of-the-art technology and weapons for him. New designs on technology need to be created and Fox could easily explain the technological terms for the exoskeleton suit and the liquid nitrogen gun that Mr. Freeze dons. Also, with Fox being head of the Board of Directors at Wayne Enterprise, have the facility hacked by the Riddler and Fox targeted by Mr. Freeze. Either way, it could work out.
Other characters, such as Gordons family, Detective Ramirez, Mayor Garcia and others could briefly appear in some manner that they did in TDK. And if Nolan decides so, maybe even Harvey Dent/Two-Face will make a small appearance (not too sure on this).
Themes
The main theme of this movie (and an obvious choice in my opinion) could be redemption and making the right choice. Mr. Freeze could fit easily into this theme, providing the tragic character arc for the film. Also, with the Riddler, Batman could be pushed even farther beyond his limits. Catwoman could serve as the love interest of Batman and Vicky Vale the love interest of Bruce Wayne. Also, with the arising threat of the Riddler and Mr. Freeze and the mafia (and new crime lords) Batman realizes that he is truly needed and someone redeems himself in the eye of the public.
Something needs to pressure Batman to return. The Riddlers hacking attacks, the threat of Mr. Freeze, the interest in Catwoman, the need to halt the arising mafia, and to redeem himself. All are aspects that should be taken into consideration.
Tell me what you think and tell me what you would do.
I have been thinking a lot lately on the next film in this series. I want to know what everyone would do if they were Christopher Nolan. I am not asking you to explain what you think should happen in the next film, I want to know what you would put into it. This is what I would do . . . .
The third Batman movie in this series (if another one is truly needed) should have a theme of redemption. As left off from The Dark Knight, Batmans image has been destroyed to comply and to save Harvey Dents image as Gothams White Knight.
Villains for the movie
Mr. Freeze/ The Riddler as the main antagonist(s)
Mr. Freeze is one of Batmans most tragic villains in his rouge gallery. Mr. Freeze could work well into the theme of redemption. The Riddler could also serve well into this theme.
The Riddler could fit well into Nolans realistic take on Batman. I believe that the Riddlers origins should not be explained, but rarely mentioned (much like the Jokers). Only one name is given, towards the end: Edward Nigma. Also, have his intentions to basically want to destroy the Government, because of his hatred for it (which is never explained). He is not displayed as a killer, but a cyber-terrorist who hacks into various networks, and shuts them down.
Also, have him download stored files containing information on Gotham City and present this knowledge to the mob. Make him a cyber-terrorist, like I suggested, and this is possible. He leaves riddles/clues on various computers, laptops, and other devices capable of being hacked into, of his next crime. As the film progress, he becomes more dangerous, via his hacking skills.
This would work well, having all major systems, including Wayne Enterprises (maybe) shut down, causing mass chaos. Also, show the Riddler as using a cane.
Actor I prefer/recommend-Crispin Glover, Johnny Depp, Viggo Mortensen (All good actors, who would bring the character to life)
Mr. Freeze can be displayed as realistic in Nolans Batman universe. Victor Fries could be a Cryogenic expert working for Wayne Enterprises. However, when Wayne Enterprises shuts down Friess operations and refuses to fund his further research into developing a cure for his wife Nora, who is currently in the hospital with a rare blood/cancer disease, he steals an experimental exoskeleton suit and a liquid nitrogen compartment from the Weapons Development Department from Wayne Industries, and vows to kill the Board Members of Wayne Corps.
The Gun could be but a simple rod of metal that sprays liquid nitrogen from a compartment located on Freezes back. And the suit could resemble Mark II of Iron Mans armor from the recent movie Iron Man, yet, a bit simplified. Call it an experimental exoskeleton design and you have Mr. Freeze with his suit and gun. Simple, realistic and it could work well.
Actor I prefer/recommend-Eric Bana (I know I am going to get a lot of critical response for this choice, but I stand with it)
Secondary villains
Catwoman/the Penguin/Rupert Thorne/the Black Mask
Catwoman could fit nicely into a film such as this. She could be a vigilante that steps into Batmans role as a hero amongst Gotham, in the Bats absent. She could state her origin to Batman (not shown) and state that her alias was hacked (by the Riddler, unknown to her) and she decided to take the role of vigilante intent on taking down the mob. She uses her traditional bullwhip, along with retractable claws on her gloves. She also steals constantly and is an expert at stealth and martial arts. Selina Kyle becomes a friend of Bruce Wayne, but Catwoman becomes the new love interest of Batman.
Actress I prefer/recommend-Rachel Weisz or Kate Beckinsale (Both are beautiful actresses that both know how to kick ass in tights)
The Penguin could also fit very well into this new, more modern age. He could be an English arms dealer, named Oswald Cobblepot, who realizes that Gothams government is falling (due to the recent hacks by the Riddler) and begins providing for the arising mob. He supplies to various families, such as the Falcone and Thorne families. He does not have to be shown much, but make him a threat because of what he deals out to the mob. Give him a role about the length of Detective Flass in Batman Begins, although, make him a bit more sinister.
Actor I prefer/recommend-Alfred Molina (I doubt he would consider playing another villain after Doctor Octopus, but he is still my main choice)
Rupert Thorne could have a role about the same length of time Salvatore Maroni or Carmine Falcone had. A short, but substantial role. Show Thorne as taking total control over the mob. He is in deals with Cobblepot/The Penguin and the Riddler and make it as if he has a desire to control Gotham, and with Gothams major systems failing, including the main Government, he nearly succeeds. This way, Gotham reverts back to being controlled by criminality making a desire for the Batman to return and redeem himself.
Actor I prefer/recommend-Brain Cox (I read somewhere else that someone recommended him and I agree)
The Black Mask could work as another mob boss. Again, not too much screen time needs to be shown, but enough to establish the fact that the mafia is arising and his intentions are for the worse. He could be made to be a possible hit man or just, as I stated above, another mob boss. As for the mask, it could be a simple metal mask designed to look like a skull, covering facial scarring or for just the purpose to intimidate others.
Actor I prefer/recommend-Ray Liotta (I read on another forum that he would play a good Black Mask and I agree)
New Characters
Harvey Bullock/Vicky Vale/Hugo Strange/Others
Harvey Bullock could easily replace Detective Wuertz. He could be displayed as another corrupt cop or a true one. Personally, I believe that he should be a true to cop, and not corrupted because the last few Detectives within Gordons unit were all corrupt (i.e. Wuertz, Ramirez, and Flass). This way, Gordon has someone inside of his unit that he can trust. Only a medium amount of screen time needs to be shown, but enough time needs to be shown that he is a different kind of cop, one who does not mind using force to achieve what he wants. Show him attempting to put down the arising mob and all the criminals that are taking Gotham back.
Actor I prefer/recommend-Michael Chiklis (After viewing his performance on the show The Shield, I say that Chiklis would play Bullock very well)
Vicky Vale would fit into a story such as this better than just about anyone. After the death of Rachel, Bruce does not know if he should move on. He cannot forget about Rachel, but Vicky Vale could be that person to replace Dawes. Make her a photographer or a journalist for Gotham City News possibly doing a story on the Batman (much like the original movie Batman) and make her the new love interest of Bruce Wayne. She needs to have a significant amount of screen time to show and press the point that she is becoming Bruces new love interest.
Actress I prefer/recommend-Charlie Theron (A good actress who seems that she could easily seduce Bruce and the audience as Vicky Vale)
Hugo Strange could work nicely into this storyline. He could be seen not as a villain, but as someone whose intentions are left unclear throughout the entire movie. Again, this characters screen time does not have to be that long. But enough time needs to be shown that he is now the head of Arkham Asylum as more and more criminals are being locked up. Also, make Strange become fascinated with the Batman.
Actor I prefer/recommend-Jeff Bridges (Another good actor, although after playing Obadiah Stane in Iron Man, I am not sure if he would want to return to a comic book movie adaptation)
Like the previous two Batman films, new characters are introduced, characters that are solely made up for the movie and serve as purpose to only the movie. Some new characters could include a new Gotham City Judge, named members of the Board at Wayne Enterprises, a new District Attorney, and other mafia/mob bosses. All could fit well into the storyline of Gotham having no true peace and the rise of criminality again, while keeping to the theme of redemption.
Recurring characters
Batman/Bruce Wayne/Alfred Pennyworth/James Gordon/Lucious Fox/other possibilities
Batman in this next film needs to have a strong character development and a strong character arc. Batman should not be used much until later in the film (because he took the blame for Harvey Two-Faces murders). However, when Batman eventually debuts on screen, make it as if he is struggling between the darker side of his personality and becoming the hero that Gotham needs and deserves after Gotham begins to fall to criminality. He needs to be shown as a hero, a true hero, in order to redeem himself in the eyes of Gotham City. Thus sticking to the overall theme of redemption.
Bruce Wayne in the next film also needs to have a strong story arc. Bruce Wayne needs to be shown as suffering from the thoughts of losing Rachel, which he blames on himself. To make the story a bit more tragic and compelling, make it as if Bruce has decided not to be Batman (until he realizes that Batman is needed) and that the Joker winning was inevitable. Also, introduce a love triangle into Bruces life to show that he is moving on, through difficulty. Have Catwoman the love interest of Batman and Vicky Vale the new love interest to Bruce Wayne.
Alfred needs to have a significant amount more of screen time in this film. Alfred needs to be portrayed as more of a fatherly figure to Bruce that he is in the comics. BB did a good job expressing this, but TDK left Alfred out in many situations where he could have been used. Make Alfred a more main character and have him advise and help Bruce/Batman through his overall struggle to achieve redemption.
James Gordon in this next film needs to remain loyal to the GCPD but also have a secret trust in the Batman. Possibly secret meetings between the two or maybe even have Gordon lose faith and trust in the Batman as criminality rises and almost becomes uncontrollable for the police. Gordon needs to be shown as a leader (Commissioner) and make decisions that could affect his entire unit.
Lucious Fox could play a role in this third film that is about as long as his role in TDK. Enough time to, in some way, help Batman and provide state-of-the-art technology and weapons for him. New designs on technology need to be created and Fox could easily explain the technological terms for the exoskeleton suit and the liquid nitrogen gun that Mr. Freeze dons. Also, with Fox being head of the Board of Directors at Wayne Enterprise, have the facility hacked by the Riddler and Fox targeted by Mr. Freeze. Either way, it could work out.
Other characters, such as Gordons family, Detective Ramirez, Mayor Garcia and others could briefly appear in some manner that they did in TDK. And if Nolan decides so, maybe even Harvey Dent/Two-Face will make a small appearance (not too sure on this).
Themes
The main theme of this movie (and an obvious choice in my opinion) could be redemption and making the right choice. Mr. Freeze could fit easily into this theme, providing the tragic character arc for the film. Also, with the Riddler, Batman could be pushed even farther beyond his limits. Catwoman could serve as the love interest of Batman and Vicky Vale the love interest of Bruce Wayne. Also, with the arising threat of the Riddler and Mr. Freeze and the mafia (and new crime lords) Batman realizes that he is truly needed and someone redeems himself in the eye of the public.
Something needs to pressure Batman to return. The Riddlers hacking attacks, the threat of Mr. Freeze, the interest in Catwoman, the need to halt the arising mafia, and to redeem himself. All are aspects that should be taken into consideration.
Tell me what you think and tell me what you would do.
, but as the film continues he realizes that Batman's doing good and even helps him to scape from the police several times. Played by James Gandolfini (The Sopranos)
Be creative. What would you put in?
I'm currently writing a screen-story for BB3 that I plan on sending Nolan. It'll probably not even get read, but there's nothing wrong with trying.
