When Full Screen does more then cut off the sides.

[StrainedEyes]

Can anyone name any times when Pan and Scan actually does more than just taking away the sides of the image, when it actually eliminates parts of the story?

The best example I know of this is in Die Hard.

When Al comes into the building to check things out, he talks to the security guard and then starts walking back to the elevators to check stuff out. In Pan and Scan, all you see is Al walking back, deciding it isn't worth the trouble, and turning around to leave. In widescreen as he is walking back, you see a hand holding a machine gun around the corner he is walking to.

You go from "C'mon you idiot! Keep walking and check things out!" in the Full Screen
to "Dude don't walk any further, turn around and leave!" in the Widescreen

I watched Die Hard a bazillion times in full screen on cable. And when I finally bought it on DVD I was shocked when I saw this, lol. This turned me off of Full Screen forever.

Any more examples?

 

[A.X.L]

Theres one in Back to the Future 2, where you dont see Doc press the button for Marty's jacket to resize

 

[StrainedEyes]

Theres one in Back to the Future 2, where you dont see Doc press the button for Marty's jacket to resize

That was a mistake that they fixed... And has nothing to do with Fullscreen.

 

[A.X.L]

Technically it does as the viewer wasnt getting the 'full screen'

 

[StrainedEyes]

Technically it does as the viewer wasnt getting the 'full screen'

 

[xwolverine2]

Theres one in Back to the Future 2, where you dont see Doc press the button for Marty's jacket to resize

ouch lol

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Yep, and thanks to my finding that mistake out about two years late, I still have the messed-up DVDs. Been trying to order the fixed ones off BTTF.com, though.

 

[A.X.L]

BTTF.com = awesome

 

[odiin]

The original Saw in fullscreen actually has the problem of showing too much rather than cutting something off. In one scene there is a shot of Ken Leung's character walking down a corridor. Only problem is, this was shot when they were doing re-shoots and they didn't get Leung back for it as it was only a few seconds, so instead screen writer and co-star Leigh Whannell stepped in for those few seconds, and was filmed only from the neck down so you couldn't tell that this was a different person. No problem except.... in the fullscreen version of the film his head is actually visible so that you can clearly see that this is a totally different person.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

In Empire Strikes Back, during the asteroid scene, you see an asteroid hit the bridge of a Star Destroyer. The next scene, you see Vader addressing his officers and they appear via the hologram thing Star Wars uses. In widescreen, you actually see one of the holograms react in fear and disappear as his ship is the one hit.

I knew Star Wars so well it was fun when I finally got the widescreen VHS boxset to see all of the things the pan and scan version had chopped off.

 

[cabel]

In Clerks 2, durning the first dancing scene. You don't see Silent Bob at all.

 

[black_dust]

ron jeremy is in the crowd in Ghostbusters wide screen but not the full version, id say thats a integral part to the story

 

[SWAT]

Hahahahah!!

 

[Mr. Socko]

Theres one in Back to the Future 2, where you dont see Doc press the button for Marty's jacket to resize

That's actually from the widescreen(as you know) but yeah, it really ruins a lot. The hoverboard is not even viewable in a lot of the chase scene.

 

[Lazlo Panaflex]

In Superman 2 when the three villians arrive at the Fortress of Solitude and Zod makes a comment at how Supes' fortress has no style at all.

in Pan & Scan we don't see Superman's feet but in widescreen we see his feet.

 

[Warhammer]

Can anyone name any times when Pan and Scan actually does more than just taking away the sides of the image, when it actually eliminates parts of the story?

The best example I know of this is in Die Hard.

When Al comes into the building to check things out, he talks to the security guard and then starts walking back to the elevators to check stuff out. In Pan and Scan, all you see is Al walking back, deciding it isn't worth the trouble, and turning around to leave. In widescreen as he is walking back, you see a hand holding a machine gun around the corner he is walking to.

You go from "C'mon you idiot! Keep walking and check things out!" in the Full Screen
to "Dude don't walk any further, turn around and leave!" in the Widescreen

I watched Die Hard a bazillion times in full screen on cable. And when I finally bought it on DVD I was shocked when I saw this, lol. This turned me off of Full Screen forever.

Any more examples?

Haha, I had this exact same problem.

 

[bullets]

i just saw doc violate marty . my life is ruined.

 

[Fettdave]

Ghostbustes was the first movie to turn me on to widescreen. I saw comparison shots of the last battle where in full screen you couldn't even see Winston. Been a vocal supporter of the "black bars" ever since. I still can't convince my father-in-law though, and he even has a widescreen tv now!

By the way, thanks for this thread, I never knew about the BTTF replacements until now. On one hand I'm glad I know so I can try and get the corrected ones. On the other, it makes me really stop and think about how much money I've spent on DVD's that are just sitting on a shelf. I bought that set the day it was originally released and to this day have only watched part 1.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The film where I first really noticed this on was Star Wars right before the Tusken Raider attack, where Luke is looking at the Banthas through his binoculars and mentions that he can see one of them right before one pops up in front of him. In the Full Screen version the Sandperson is out of the shot, but Luke still makes the comment even though we can't see anything.

 

[strikezone89]

BTTF.com = awesome

wtf? who cares?

 

[A.X.L]

wtf? who cares?

wtf? ****