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Are people actually defending what he said and saying it was no big deal or what? Because many such are myself have been defending his career and legacy but agree he's definitely a racist..to an extent

Yea there are fans defending Hogan's use of the N word. To them it makes it okay because he said it in private ( weird I know). Those fans also bring up Vince using the N word in that segment with Booker T and Cena on Raw years ago. That was a completely different situation used for laughs ( though it was in bad taste) and no real hate was behind it. Hogan definitely is racist to an extent because if he wasn't he would never have said what he said.
 
If nothing else, the vehement defense and skirting of Hogan's racism by so many fans certainly demonstrate that the old stereotype of wrestling fans being hicks and racists is certainly not groundless.

Lol true
 
I hope Destination America doesn't pull the plug on ROH, I'm really getting into it.
 
I really don't think there is that much of a face/heel thing going on in the Divas angle. They took 3 NXT women that people are ultimately going to cheer for pit them on opposite sides.

Perhaps in principle the Bellas are supposed to be the heels the other two groups are gunning for but they have their fans, so people are going to cheer for who they want to. The writers would have devise a way to make the Bellas look very villainous (like jumping and kayfabe injuring someone beloved like Becky).
It's been said by former staff that the Divas division aren't booked logically, which is why you see something like the Bellas going face/heel more often than Big Show. That is something that needs to be worked on, and maybe over time it will.

Just read that Nakamura has an elbow injury, but it's unclear if he'll miss the rest. If it's anything like Shibata's shoulder injury, Nakamura will continue. This sucks.
 
On Episode 37 of Sam Roberts Wrestling Podcast, Roberts welcomed Jim Cornette to the show. Among other topics, Cornette spoke about Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn, the former Kevin Steen and El Generico, finding success in the WWE.

"[Owens] is fulfilling his potential now because he has changed the way he thought about being told to do things by his employer," Cornette said. "I always knew he had the talent to [be successful in the WWE]. Christ, we made him the Ring of Honor World Champion for a year. He was undefeated. But the problem is, I didn't think he had the attitude to do it. When we asked him to lose weight, when we asked him to take time off and come back with a different look and a different push, when we asked him to do a match a certain way or anything a certain way, there was so much argument and push back and refusal and not producing any of those things, et cetera, that I thought, basically, when he went to Florida [NXT], either he, the WWE, or both, would need a psychiatrist within 90 days. But, he, apparently, he is never going to be svelte, and we didn't want that, we wanted him to not be obese, to lose a little weight and he [has] done that. His [ring] gear may not look any more professional, but at least it is cleaner. And what's more, he, apparently, is doing what he is asked to do instead of going into business for himself or arguing about anything, whether it be inside of the ring or outside of the ring".

As for Zayn, Cornette commented that the former NXT Champion "was the second biggest pain in the ass next to [Owens]." Cornette continued, "it has something to do with French-Canadians in wrestling. If you ask around, you will find this out: with the exception of Pat Patterson, every French-Canadian in wrestling, [has] pretty much, been in a pain in the ass. Maybe Mad Dog Vachon."

"[Zayn] got mad at me because I always said that his selling was impeccable and he was an amazing athlete, he was very strong for his frame, and he was a wonderful babyface in the ring. I said he needed to ditch the silly mask and the goofy gimmick, he needed to learn to speak and do interviews, and try to get a tan even though his is a red-headed, ginger Muslim from Montreal. I said, 'then you will find mainstream success, my son,' and he thought I was crazy."

Cornette claimed that Owens and Zayn are cooperating with WWE brass in a way that they never cooperated with ROH because "there wasn't as much money at stake" in ROH

Cornette stated that he knew that the likes of Owens, Zayn, Cesaro, and Daniel Bryan would be top stars in professional wrestling, but he did not know whether they would be in WWE: "at that point, [WWE] had not actually admitted publicly, or just by their actions, that they had been making a mistake by recruiting the wrong people and they hadn't been signing up the top independent guys."

When asked whether the professional wrestling business has changed for the worse or whether Cornette is just out of touch with modern professional wrestling, he replied, "both. I know there [are] some things I do not agree with with modern day wrestling that are probably good developments, but at the same point, it has, you know, become an entirely different industry. And, as I mentioned [during the Jim Cornette Experience live show], it is not even predicated on the same kind of logic that it used to be. We used to be simulating a conflict and now we're exhibiting a performance. It is completely different. I'm not real good at that, nor am I interested in that."

On another interesting note, Cornette claimed that ROH is not being paid for its Destination America shows and that ROH is missing out on a huge opportunity to produce new television for the channel, all because Sinclair Broadcast Group is "cheap". "The people who run [Sinclair Broadcast Group] are Republicans and they're very conservative and they are also cheap," Cornette said. "As a matter of fact, they are tighter than skin on a hotdog."
 
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I hope Destination America doesn't pull the plug on ROH, I'm really getting into it.

Even if they do, you can always catch the weekly show on rohwrestling.com.

But Sinclair is in the process of starting their own cable network. The Destination America deal was likely always a placeholder anyway, and looking at how far TNA's numbers have fallen it doesn't seem to be an ideal network for pro wrestling. Sinclair has said they want to put programming they own on their cable network, so when that gets off the ground there's a high chance ROH will end up there.

NJPW on AXS TV does more viewers than ROH on DA or LU on El Rey, despite the latter two channels being in more homes than AXS. NJPW also rarely runs shows in the US, airs a clip/highlight show, and airs on Friday nights. And TNA is doing less than half of what they did on Spike.

They need to find better networks. NJPW works on AXS because that channel already has lots of fightsports programming; TNA did well on Spike paired with first UFC and later Bellator.
 
I really wish I had the AXS network.Even though I'm still weeks behind on TNA,ROH,Lucha Underground,and NXT.I wouldn't mind adding another show to my ever expanding weekly wrestling shows.
 
Even if they do, you can always catch the weekly show on rohwrestling.com.

But Sinclair is in the process of starting their own cable network. The Destination America deal was likely always a placeholder anyway, and looking at how far TNA's numbers have fallen it doesn't seem to be an ideal network for pro wrestling. Sinclair has said they want to put programming they own on their cable network, so when that gets off the ground there's a high chance ROH will end up there.

NJPW on AXS TV does more viewers than ROH on DA or LU on El Rey, despite the latter two channels being in more homes than AXS. NJPW also rarely runs shows in the US, airs a clip/highlight show, and airs on Friday nights. And TNA is doing less than half of what they did on Spike.

They need to find better networks. NJPW works on AXS because that channel already has lots of fightsports programming; TNA did well on Spike paired with first UFC and later Bellator.

Thanks man, had no idea you can watch it on the site, would've started a while ago.
 
I wonder if her loss last night to Elizabeth Phillips will increase the rumors of WWE interest in Jessamyn Duke.
 
I don't care if it was a joke. That word shouldn't be used, period. And surprise, surprise WWE is actually defending that segment.

What Hogan did was awful, but I'm not going to demonize him for something he said a long time ago due to things in his personal life.

If you can't, won't accept his apology then there's nothing else he can do to rectify the situation.
 
May someone PM the link to the video of Hogan saying the N-word? Not the radio show one.
 
I really don't think there is that much of a face/heel thing going on in the Divas angle. They took 3 NXT women that people are ultimately going to cheer for pit them on opposite sides.

Perhaps in principle the Bellas are supposed to be the heels the other two groups are gunning for but they have their fans, so people are going to cheer for who they want to. The writers would have devise a way to make the Bellas look very villainous (like jumping and kayfabe injuring someone beloved like Becky).

It's just weird because the Bellas will cut heel promos (and even cheat from time to time), but then the next match, they will constantly pander to the crowd for support and build to very face-like hot tags.

They need more of the "you can look but you can't touch" attitude from their song. Not only can the men not physically touch them, but the women fans and other divas can't "touch" their status, looks, abilities, etc (at least in their minds). They shouldn't be trying to appeal to the fans for cheers if they are heels. That only works when it is being done ironically, like Bo Dallas or New Day.
 
I really wish I had the AXS network.Even though I'm still weeks behind on TNA,ROH,Lucha Underground,and NXT.I wouldn't mind adding another show to my ever expanding weekly wrestling shows.
Have you checked out Paragon Pro Wrestling?

They're on POP TV (used to be TV Guide Network) on Saturdays. Depending on your timezone they air between 3 and 6 AM.

Paragon's production values aren't very good and I wouldn't compare them to any of the other TV promotions, but they do have some good workers and decent names. Joey Ryan, Kaleb Conley, Wes Briscoe, Gangrel, Jessy Sorenson, Hammerstone, Lisa Marie Varon (Tara in TNA/Victoria in WWE) etc.

I'm never awake when it's on so I set the DVR. It's paid programming so there aren't any commercials, which is nice. But it's definitely low level independent stuff.
 
At this point, do any of you guys think WWE should just retire the IC title and just bring this back:

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Anytime the IC title picture looks to get interesting WWE almost purposefully kills it and this reign with Ryback pretty much has killed that belt's "prestige" for me. No offense against Ryback, he's gotten better on the mic, is a decent power worker, and over with fans but at the same time, him as champion has given WWE justification to have stale acts like Big Show in the division stinking it up. Which is a tremendous fall from the entertaining reign Ziggler had.

Anyway, enough about that, the TV title would be a good starting point for talents starting to get over because it would insure them a guaranteed one minute promo to develop their characters and a 15 minute time slot to put on entertaining matches. Guys like Zayn, Neville, Cesaro, Cody Rhodes etc

It would be a good belt for younger guys to develop a rapport with the fans and building credibility for their characters, you can even have talented vets challenge for it but never win it too.
 
Have you checked out Paragon Pro Wrestling?

They're on POP TV (used to be TV Guide Network) on Saturdays. Depending on your timezone they air between 3 and 6 AM.

Paragon's production values aren't very good and I wouldn't compare them to any of the other TV promotions, but they do have some good workers and decent names. Joey Ryan, Kaleb Conley, Wes Briscoe, Gangrel, Jessy Sorenson, Hammerstone, Lisa Marie Varon (Tara in TNA/Victoria in WWE) etc.

I'm never awake when it's on so I set the DVR. It's paid programming so there aren't any commercials, which is nice. But it's definitely low level independent stuff.
I don't get that channel either(never did for some reason).I'll look that up tough.
 
The IC title is no more or less prestigious now than when Ziggler had it. Ziggler had good matches with Harper, but the title feuds still didn't get focus. Rusev and Cena's booking as U.S. Champion: that's prestige. They got/get stories and not random filler matches.
 
The IC title is no more or less prestigious now than when Ziggler had it. Ziggler had good matches with Harper, but the title feuds still didn't get focus. Rusev and Cena's booking as U.S. Champion: that's prestige. They got/get stories and not random filler matches.

It interests me that Vince would value a WCW title higher than his own title.
 
The IC title is no more or less prestigious now than when Ziggler had it. Ziggler had good matches with Harper, but the title feuds still didn't get focus. Rusev and Cena's booking as U.S. Champion: that's prestige. They got/get stories and not random filler matches.

All true however when Ziggler had it, it seemed like WWE was atoeast trying to restore some value to the belt but it was because Ziggler was holding it and had good matches. However sadly it was not booked half as good as it should have been.

With that said, this Ryback reign has shown me just how much the company does not care about this belt or how they don't know what to do with it anymore.

They are better off retiring the belt IMO
 
It interests me that Vince would value a WCW title higher than his own title.

Maybe he believes there's some value in the patriotic aspect. When you think about how every American crowd chants USA whenever a foreign heel is in the ring, having a US belt makes perfect sense. And to top it all off, it's currently around the waist of an all-American babyface.
 
Has a longer history, too. If I'm not mistaken.
 
My problem with Zigglers reign is how they would sometimes play hot potato with the belt, between Ziggler and Miz or Harper.

They should just retire the belt. The U.S title is being treated how the IC title should be treated. Instead of an IC belt, bring back the crusierweight belt or something.
 
Before WWE officials decided on Brock Lesnar vs. The Undertaker as the SummerSlam main event, they also discussed doing Lesnar vs. Rollins in a gimmick match. That match may still could place this year.

There was some concern within WWE that they did not have a concrete plan in place for the SummerSlam main event but they are confident in Lesnar vs. Taker.

- While Chris Jericho is currently working a WWE deal that sees him only work live events, WWE officials did approach him to work a feud that would have ended at next month’s pay-per-view. We don’t know if Jericho accepted the offer but if he doesn’t show up on RAW within the next two weeks then he probably turned it down.

- John Cena has reportedly been much more vocal lately in regards to giving younger WWE talents a shot and some of the spotlight.


Source: Dailywrestlingnews
 
My problem with Zigglers reign is how they would sometimes play hot potato with the belt, between Ziggler and Miz or Harper.

They should just retire the belt. The U.S title is being treated how the IC title should be treated. Instead of an IC belt, bring back the crusierweight belt or something.

The TV title would be an ideal replacement IMO
 
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