You just proved the point for why a DD would NOT be a straight up clone of Batman's Arkham games. Yep I still see no problem with making a game based on him taking some influence from that series
Who made that point? The point I was making is that it would be a more limited version of the Arkham Games. It would not be a clone because there'd be stuff you can do in Arkham Games that you'll never be able to do in a DD game, and nothing in a DD game that isn't done as good or better in an Arkham Game.
He's saying that in his view there's no point in making DD game if it's too overly similar to Arkham. but cause of most of the difference's in DD's history it can stand as it's own thing. while there similarity's and some stuff can be done the same as I meant prior to you talking like this i mentioned some difference prior as well. but since your on about him not having the very same stuff as bat's he'll have something new to offer in a way as well to the world of video g ames. instead of being called a complete and total rip off.
Who made that point? The point I was making is that it would be a more limited version of the Arkham Games. It would not be a clone because there'd be stuff you can do in Arkham Games that you'll never be able to do in a DD game, and nothing in a DD game that isn't done as good or better in an Arkham Game.
you cosigned on the notion that a DD game would be a copy and paste job of the Arkhams. Your exact response was "total agreement" when Gamma Goliath wrote that.
you cosigned on the notion that a DD game would be a copy and paste job of the Arkhams. Your exact response was "total agreement" when Gamma Goliath wrote that.
I agreed it would be copy paste, yes, but I also immediately clarified that it would not be a straight up clone, if someone had been presumptuous enough to take 'too copy paste' to mean 'straight up clone.'
I agreed it would be copy paste, yes, but I also immediately clarified that it would not be a straight up clone, if someone had been presumptuous enough to take 'too copy paste' to mean 'straight up clone.'
well copy and paste does imply clone. You didn't really clarify much in that follow up except to say that they would be exactly the same but DD's game would have worse gadgets and villains. The latter post which I quoted was more in depth and highlighted why that wouldnt be the case.
Club Strike - [Melee, Basic Power] Swing your billy clubs at enemies in front of you. (Level 1)
Taser Club - [Melee, Basic Power] Strike an enemy with your club, delivering a stunning electric shock to that foe and another nearby enemy. (Level 10 + Club Strike)
Club Sweep - [Melee] Strike all enemies around you with your billy clubs. (Level 2)
Whirling Club - [Melee] Swing your billy club in a wide circle, knocking back all enemies around you. (Level 28 + Club Sweep)
Club Throw - Hurl your billy club, knocking down enemies in its path. (Level 6)
Rebounding Club - Throw your club, bouncing it between multiple nearby enemies. (Level 24 +Club Throw)
Triple Strike - [Melee] Strike an enemy three times in rapid succession, dealing double damage on the final blow. (Level 18)
but seeing he's done other stuff with the Billy clubs like having trick blades like when he had black armor at one time there's alot variations that can be done.
heck During justice league unlimited during that Nanite invasion where they formed into mech hounds they showed batman using his bater rangs as katan blades of all things by extending them before they had the watch tower nuke that part desert spot to be ride of the infestation of Nanites. duel bladed katana style too.
well copy and paste does imply clone. You didn't really clarify much in that follow up except to say that they would be exactly the same but DD's game would have worse gadgets and villains. The latter post which I quoted was more in depth and highlighted why that wouldnt be the case.
I said they would "pretty much" be exactly the same, yeah. There's really no way that I said "straight up clone." It goes against almost everything I said to read it that way. Now, what post shows that DD doesn't have worse gadgets and villains, I don't know, there's nothing in this thread about that.
Club Strike - [Melee, Basic Power] Swing your billy clubs at enemies in front of you. (Level 1)
Taser Club - [Melee, Basic Power] Strike an enemy with your club, delivering a stunning electric shock to that foe and another nearby enemy. (Level 10 + Club Strike)
Club Sweep - [Melee] Strike all enemies around you with your billy clubs. (Level 2)
Whirling Club - [Melee] Swing your billy club in a wide circle, knocking back all enemies around you. (Level 28 + Club Sweep)
Club Throw - Hurl your billy club, knocking down enemies in its path. (Level 6)
Rebounding Club - Throw your club, bouncing it between multiple nearby enemies. (Level 24 +Club Throw)
Triple Strike - [Melee] Strike an enemy three times in rapid succession, dealing double damage on the final blow. (Level 18)
but seeing he's done other stuff with the Billy clubs like having trick blades like when he had black armor at one time there's alot variations that can be done.
heck During justice league unlimited during that Nanite invasion where they formed into mech hounds they showed batman using his bater rangs as katan blades of all things by extending them before they had the watch tower nuke that part desert spot to be ride of the infestation of Nanites. duel bladed katana style too.
Anyways I still yearn for the day that we get another X-men fighter. Whether it be a sequel to CoTA or Next Dimension, the franchise is very suited for that genre. I remember back in the 90s, I wanted a 2v2 crossover type game which was team based around the various X-teams. 4 members from X-men Blue, Gold, X-factor, Gen X, Excalibur and X-Force + 2 squads of villians duking it out
They are definitely overworked but after their current projects finish up, Telltale games making a game wouldn't be a bad idea. I think the last volume of X-factor would be perfectly suited for their brand of storytelling. Actually any of the lesser known B/C listers would be, like the New Mutants as well.
I said they would "pretty much" be exactly the same, yeah. There's really no way that I said "straight up clone." It goes against almost everything I said to read it that way. Now, what post shows that DD doesn't have worse gadgets and villains, I don't know, there's nothing in this thread about that.
I never argued against the legitamacy of the quality of DD's roster of villians or his gadgets vs Batman. Thats purely subjective but really besides the point. The fact that DD doesnt have most of the weaponry and tech that Batman does means that the developers would have to approach the title differently than that of an Arkham game. It couldnt be a clone, um excuse pretty much exactly the same thing bc the inherent nature of the source material is different. DD himself is much more acrobatic and agile, so his combat system for one would be different than Batman. Whereas the gameplay with him was more focused on his weaponry, DD would likely be more about his combos and acrobatic abilities. I'd imagine a game being more of a mix of Arkham with Spiderman. What can be inspired from Arkham is the tone and approach to storytelling with a variation of the free flow combat system with different moves tailored to DD's agility. The stealth mechanics aren't merely an Arkham thing and could easily be implemented.
I said they would "pretty much" be exactly the same, yeah. There's really no way that I said "straight up clone." It goes against almost everything I said to read it that way. Now, what post shows that DD doesn't have worse gadgets and villains, I don't know, there's nothing in this thread about that.
You know what dude? Dream your dream. I want an X-Men squad game, you want a DD game. Root for me, I'll root for you.
As I said I'm ok with an X-Men squad game but I want it to be different as that thin from the jump has never been when Xavier created to be about fighting wars and the X-men Xavier proxy he made them to protect all of humanity. From racist humans and racist mutants that both commit act of terror and to protect all of humanity from threats like Lucifer (who was Alien from another planet ) and shadow king when he mad up his mind back while fought them to make an organization to protect humanity as a whole he lost his legs to Lucifer and he made the X-Men cause of that cause he was no longer mobile and had the help of FBI agent feed Duncan to help create the X-men. Agents do work in squads.
Xavier didn't give a damn about war. and seeing what he did sage and a number others and even how nick fury senor has added people from the X-Men like psylocke befor eh became x-man in a shield off shoot call strike and Dani moonstar when she infiltrated strife's organization and kitty after meeting peter wisdom Etc . he even called jean and had her brought to a shield carrier to help luke cage's wife when Jessica jones first discovered her powers yes white nick fury senor. the Jessica was still in high school and had a crush on peter park that went to school with her.
it's been happening longer then you think . it's not just a few times.
and there's was what boomer of cable X -force just prior to utopia being created when cyclops had wolverines X-force save after she was done with her under cover mission and was in trouble I'm Just saying you can have both ways Especially since there team's of spies that work in Squads the the way rain bow six ( like some tactical or swat teams do) does after they collected all the info they need to shut an operation down. that's all I'm saying.
An under now I've said this before, I never said I was n't rooting for you on that I'm saying since the X-men have had that through out their history and it's still happening and it's more then a few times in their various books it'll have more varied game play and won't get boring that's all I'm saying and a lot of people would like a different take with in the super hero world not a another pure war clone. agent / police style raids are have more in then just another war. and the X-men have always been about prevention of people like what apocalypses and Sinister and mystique are doing then a stupid war. the time their pulled int wars is when its event like secret war and when some like Joe Q and bendis wants them in a verse match with another super hero organization other wise they don't care for it. it's not who they are minus the nutty villains/ antiheroes like magneto screw up things for people that want to have all of humanity get along co-existance . and the sad part is crime organizations like the hell fire club have made further strides then X-men in have people that are mutants join befor the X-men added and had people like val cooper( X-factor) and Juggernaut join them
they don't care or give a damn about war they care about those villains of their race that are helping to give a bad name to their race and preventing that crap, cause lhey wil lbe put into a war cause of those villains actions. They're about prevention of that and make sure they can live side by side with normal humans in every form being in a working together environment and living together in family's mixed ones at that . nothing more.
This doesn't mean I'm not supporting or rooting for you just making it clear some of that it will feel off. with on one exception. and that's fits other character personally (cable and his version of X-force who is act characters that will fit your gears of war dream in every way) and other more out of their organization. like captain america , war machine and red hulk next to stark. there actual military
the X-Men are more like inner city hostage rescue teams and agent crime response teams with agency flair and the relationshipe where they allow have between characters. Ala mission impossible, Nikita (the one with peta wilson as the star not the recently cancelled one) Alias, and 24, burn notice and covert affairs does. with si- fi elements. that fit's the X-Men.
^^That hurts my head
I appreciate the effort, but maybe stick with sentences and short paragraphs, lol
and yeah, let's try to avoid pooping in each others cheerios here
We should all feel free to suggest the games we'd like to see, and to see who agrees with our ideas, without huge debates on the ideas merits or originality
lol yeah well when I do it in short form some one use's it as a reason to attack or there's some misunderstanding so unfortunately.... so I had to make it as clear as possible as long as some one isn't reading from their e-mails only cause I do make Spelling errors and I correct as fast as possible on the forum . I did my best to make my self clear.
and yeah, let's try to avoid pooping in each others cheerios here
We should all feel free to suggest the games we'd like to see, and to see who agrees with our ideas, without huge debates on the ideas merits or originality
and I'm not pooping this about what fits with characters there. it's just been clear from the jump the X-Men since Xavier made them have never been about a war squad . they keep repeating that in alot of outlets especial to how cable operates, he didn't make them for that purpose it's not their purpose. that's the very opposite of why the were made and stand for in alot of degrees . cable x-force is another story (and it has nothing to do with guns being used or not being used by the characters ether)
Well I believe Dr. Cosmic was just saying he wants, basically, a third person action game featuring a swappable squad of X-Men, I don't think he was saying he wants to see the X-men killing squadrons full of dudes. He was citing games he wants it to be like, not saying he wants X-Characters plopped down into Gears of War.
^^That hurts my head
I appreciate the effort, but maybe stick with sentences and short paragraphs, lol
and yeah, let's try to avoid pooping in each others cheerios here
We should all feel free to suggest the games we'd like to see, and to see who agrees with our ideas, without huge debates on the ideas merits or originality
Anyways I still yearn for the day that we get another X-men fighter. Whether it be a sequel to CoTA or Next Dimension, the franchise is very suited for that genre. I remember back in the 90s, I wanted a 2v2 crossover type game which was team based around the various X-teams. 4 members from X-men Blue, Gold, X-factor, Gen X, Excalibur and X-Force + 2 squads of villians duking it out
They are definitely overworked but after their current projects finish up, Telltale games making a game wouldn't be a bad idea. I think the last volume of X-factor would be perfectly suited for their brand of storytelling. Actually any of the lesser known B/C listers would be, like the New Mutants as well.
I never argued against the legitamacy of the quality of DD's roster of villians or his gadgets vs Batman. Thats purely subjective but really besides the point. The fact that DD doesnt have most of the weaponry and tech that Batman does means that the developers would have to approach the title differently than that of an Arkham game. It couldnt be a clone, um excuse pretty much exactly the same thing bc the inherent nature of the source material is different. DD himself is much more acrobatic and agile, so his combat system for one would be different than Batman. Whereas the gameplay with him was more focused on his weaponry, DD would likely be more about his combos and acrobatic abilities. I'd imagine a game being more of a mix of Arkham with Spiderman. What can be inspired from Arkham is the tone and approach to storytelling with a variation of the free flow combat system with different moves tailored to DD's agility. The stealth mechanics aren't merely an Arkham thing and could easily be implemented.
At the core, DD and Batman are both stealth based martial arts gadget users who prowl the night ransacking common thugs with a strong theme of fear going both directions, they tend to use the same tone and approach to storytelling, and for good reason. Their core concept is incredibly similar, so how do you differentiate DD from say, playing Nightwing, the acrobatic character in Arkham who also draws comparisons to Spider-Man because of it.
If I may suggest something: maybe you don't. Instead of pretending that DD is somehow fundamentally different from Batman, maybe embrace it, the way Arrow does on TV. As long as the DD game fills in a niche where Batman is not, there's actually no problem with him not bringing anything that you don't see in Arkham, so long as he's not directly competing with Arkham.
As I said I'm ok with an X-Men squad game, but I want it to be different. The thing, from the jump, has never been when Xavier created to be about fighting wars, and the X-men were Xavier's proxy, he made them to protect all of humanity - from racist humans and racist mutants that both commit act of terror. He also made them to protect all of humanity from threats like Lucifer, who was Alien from another planet, and The Shadow King . Xavier made up his mind back while fought those things to make an organization to protect humanity as a whole. He lost his legs to Lucifer and he made the X-Men because he was no longer mobile. He also had the help of FBI agent Fred Duncan to help create the X-men. Agents do work in squads.
Xavier didn't give a damn about war. And seeing what he did with Sage and a number others and even how Nick Fury Sr. has added people from the X-Men such as Psylocke. Before she became an X-man she was in a shield off shoot call STRIKE. Other examples include Dani Moonstar when she infiltrated Stryfe's organization and Kitty Pryde after meeting Pete Wisdom, etc. Fury even called Jean and had her brought to a SHIELD helicarrier to help Luke Cage's wife when Jessica Jones first discovered her powers. Yes, white Nick Fury Sr. Jessica was still in high school and had a crush on Peter Parker that went to school with her. It's been happening longer then you think. It's not just a few times.
And then there was what Boomer of Cable;s X -force did just prior to Utopia being created, when Cyclops had Wolverines X-Force save her after she was done with her undercover mission and was in trouble. I'm just saying you can have it both ways. Especially since there team's of spies that work in squads the the way Rainbow Six does - like some tactical or swat teams do - after they collected all the info they need to shut an operation down. That's all I'm saying.
An understand I've said this before, I never said I wasn't rooting for you on that. I'm saying, since the X-men have had that throughout their history, and it's still happening, and it's more then a few times in their various books, it'll have more varied game play and won't get boring, that's all I'm saying. And a lot of people would like a different take with in the super hero world not a another pure war clone. Agent / Police style raids are have more in them than just another war. And the X-men have always been about prevention of what people like Apocalypse and Sinister and Mystique are doing, rather then a stupid war. The times they're pulled into wars is when its an event like Secret War and when someone like Joe Q and Bendis wants them in a versus match with another super hero organization. Otherwise they don't care for it. It's not who they are minus the nutty villains/ antiheroes like Magneto who screw up things for people, that want to have all of humanity. Otherwise they get along and enjoy coexistance. And the sad part is crime organizations like the Hellfire Club have made further strides than X-men in having people that are mutants join before the X-men added them, and had people like Val Cooper from X-factor and Juggernaut join them.
They don't care or give a damn about war. They care about those villains of their race that are helping to give a bad name to their race and preventing that crap, cause they will be put into a war because of those villains actions. They're about prevention of that and make sure they can live side by side with normal humans in every form, that being in a working together environment and living together in families, mixed ones at that. Nothing more.
This doesn't mean I'm not supporting or rooting for you, just making it clear some of that it will feel off. With on one exception, and that fits other character's personally: Cable and his version of X-force, who are characters that will fit your gears of war dream in every way. And others further out of their organization, like Captain America war machine and Red Hulk next to Stark. They're actual military.
The X-Men are more like inner city hostage rescue teams and crime response teams, with agency flair, and the relationships they allow between characters, ala Mission Impossible, Nikita (the one with Peta Wilson), Alias, 24, Burn Notice and Covert Affairs - with sci-fi elements. That fits the X-Men.
Okay. This is a lot. Let me start by saying, you've misunderstood me entirely. I don't want war at all, but I'll come back to that.
1) You have to either post much shorter, or have punctuation and capitalization like I've added here, it takes longer, but otherwise, the only people you'll be able to communicate with, are people who will take the time to revise your posts for you.
2) Remember when I said to not use the Gears of War story, simply the way they handle tactical combat? I meant it. I do not want the Gears of War story, I do not want any war. War is just the story, but the tactical squad gameplay, as I said, was what I want. My ideal, dream is basically the same exact EXACT story from X-Men Legends but with Gears of War gameplay. Gameplay only, and even that, more focused on the way the Horde played in multiplayer where every unit type had a different set of powers, and that made for really engaging combat strategy. I don't want focus on the gunplay of the human side.
2 again) So again, and this is the third time, I don't want war. Gears of War gameplay and strategy mechanics works in any combat-heavy situation, which brings me to #3
3) I would love a level where a single character does something undercover, in fact, it would be a bad thing if there wasn't at least as section like that in there, whether they use Mystique, or Moonstar, or Sage, or Psylocke or Shadowcat or any of the many characters that have gone undercover by themselves in the X-Men. I would love that. I would love to play a Shadowcat game that was all about being Xavier's Agent. That'd be really cool.
What I would not love is if an X-Men game was all about the whole squad going undercover. I don't want to play a game about Cyclops, Jean, Storm and Wolverine wearing disguises and trying to pass as soldiers or anything. I want to see those characters do what they're doing every time I see them all together: fighting something (or playing baseball. That should be a level too).
I would love an X-Men game that focuses on the team fighting, like X-Men Legends, X-Men Legends 2, the old X-Men games from Sega Genesis, the X-Men arcade game from the early 90s, even the X-Men cartoon series had them fighting half the time. I like that. I don't know if I would want to control all the drama that X-Men needs to be awesome, I'd rather that be in cutscenes.
4) So when I say Gears of War, please understand, I just mean as far as gameplay. Here's what a really cool mission would be for me:
You're in the Mansion, a safe social story area (a lot like it was in X-Men Legends, like the ship is in Gears of War), and you talk to Xavier and get the next mission, to head to New York and rescue the people being attacked by Henry Peter Gyrich's Sentinels. You board the X-Jet, cutscene plays, the mission is called "Night of the Sentinels," now you're in Manhattan, and these big purple robots are chasing around innocent mutants. You open fire with your optic blast, and your teammate, who can move freely without taking your screen with them, runs for their fight, and starts wailing away with super strength, cuz they're Colossus, while your other teammate climbs a building with his claws. Eventually the Sentinel knocks out your Super strength buddy and starts advancing towards you quickly, but then your clawed friend leaps from the building and takes him down. Another Sentinel is on it's way so you rush to Colossus and revive him just quickly enough to take cover behind him with the Sentinel blasts something. Then your fourth teammate finishes building up her lightning storm and fries the thing in one hit. Suddenly, it pops up on your HUD via Xavier that there's another mutant being captured a couple blocks away, so the four of your rush there, but Storm can fly so she gets their first and gives tells you what to look out for because she can see everything from the air.
That's the kinda stuff you can do with Gears of War-inspired gameplay and squad tactics that just weren't there in X-Men Legends or Rainbow Six or anything else I've played.
But it's still totally an X-Men story. And even in that framework, just like there were some noncombat objectives in X-Men Legends, you can still have a context/action button to interact with things that aren't supposed to be destroyed or blown up. There can still be stealth objectives, as far as 'don't get caught by the cameras' and 'escape now before you get caught.' Those things are pretty easy to implement in any action game. But the focus of all my favorite X-Men games has been on fighting, not stealth, and I think they've represented the franchise very very well at times.
But that might just be me. You might want to play an X-Men Undercover game, that's cool too. I'm sure there are others who would enjoy an X-Men game that was more about stealth. Out of curiosity, are there any games that it would play similar to? Are there any games that remind you of how you'd want X-Men to play?
I under stand as to what I was thinking of I have some idea's some of it is something I was planning for Marvel heroes and others for another thing there are things that have been screeming to get out of my head (I kind know how kojima feels) and I've been looking at alot of things that have been similar to X-Men enough that would work . but I've been holding it to my self cause what you told me in the marvel MMo thread. So no one steals my idea's etc. I might tell them one day. oh as to my typing the reason I type like that some times is also my internet connection has been shorting out of late also even when taking my time some thing stupid happens due to that . So some times I have type as is and correct it later, in the forum. well not much I can do til I have that dealt with.
This is pure speculation on my part, but I think this is what is happening. I think that what Disney is doing is sorting out all the video game rights to Marvel before aggressively pumping out Marvel video games. Capcom has lost the fighting license, Sega lost the rights to make games based off the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and Activision has lost the licenses to X-Men and Spider-Man (it seems like Amazing Spider-Man 2 is going to be their last Spider-Man game).
So with almost all the Marvel games in one basket, Disney can sell a much more valuable Marvel license to a publisher like EA or Ubisoft that has the talent to support AAA Marvel games while Disney keeps the mobile, social, and casual titles. It's what Disney has done with Star Wars and the Marvel IP is much more valuable by having them all together as opposed to one publisher having the fighting rights, another having the Spider-Man rights, another having the MMO rights, etc.
This is pure speculation on my part, but I think this is what is happening. I think that what Disney is doing is sorting out all the video game rights to Marvel before aggressively pumping out Marvel video games. Capcom has lost the fighting license, Sega lost the rights to make games based off the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and Activision has lost the licenses to X-Men and Spider-Man (it seems like Amazing Spider-Man 2 is going to be their last Spider-Man game).
So with almost all the Marvel games in one basket, Disney can sell a much more valuable Marvel license to a publisher like EA or Ubisoft that has the talent to support AAA Marvel games while Disney keeps the mobile, social, and casual titles. It's what Disney has done with Star Wars and the Marvel IP is much more valuable by having them all together as opposed to one publisher having the fighting rights, another having the Spider-Man rights, another having the MMO rights, etc.
For Hulk there is Ultimate Destruction, which I personally have not played yet
The movie based Hulk game released by SEGA is decent. Iron Man for the PS2 is not too shabby, but Hulk is better
For Hulk there is Ultimate Destruction, which I personally have not played yet
The movie based Hulk game released by SEGA is decent. Iron Man for the PS2 is not too shabby, but Hulk is better
Iron Man is downright dreadful. Its a pathetic embarrassment for the license. It was broken and controlled terribly. Not to mention, it was just plain boring
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