Where are the casualties?

[AnorexicBatman]

Is it just me or are Nolan's Batman movies the only ones that seem to have civilian casualties with lots of people getting killed and injured? It may sound a bit macabre I seriously think that loss of life grounds these kinds of films and really raises the stakes.

It's a bit unrealistic to see Iron Man being chased by hundreds of drone's and not a single casualty occurs while everything is blowing up. I can understand Superman saving everyone but even there I would have an important side character be killed by the villain.

You'd think the Hulk movies would have a pretty high body-count but even the soldiers are spared. I mean let him start out a monster, then Bruce learns to control him and uses the Hulk as a force of good. Captain America is set during WWII. Does not a single soldier fall while fighting beside Cap? You could have a real good character moment with that.

Surprisingly, the original Spider-Man has quite a few people die at the hands of the goblin which helps to raise the stakes.

 

[Soulgem]

I'm not sure if it matters, but Transformers 3 must have had absolutely massive casualty numbers. Probably up hundreds of thousands.

With Cap, I felt that him and his crew were fighting a different war. This was not WW2, but sort of the secret WW2.

I do hope we see some casualty numbers in Avengers, just like we did in the ultimates.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Is it just me or are Nolan's Batman movies the only ones that seem to have civilian casualties with lots of people getting killed and injured? It may sound a bit macabre I seriously think that loss of life grounds these kinds of films and really raises the stakes.

It's a bit unrealistic to see Iron Man being chased by hundreds of drone's and not a single casualty occurs while everything is blowing up. I can understand Superman saving everyone but even there I would have an important side character be killed by the villain.

You'd think the Hulk movies would have a pretty high body-count but even the soldiers are spared. I mean let him start out a monster, then Bruce learns to control him and uses the Hulk as a force of good. Captain America is set during WWII. Does not a single soldier fall while fighting beside Cap? You could have a real good character moment with that.

Surprisingly, the original Spider-Man has quite a few people die at the hands of the goblin which helps to raise the stakes.

I agree. With Superman in particular, a battle with anyone that could give him trouble is bound to cause collateral damage.

 

[Red Mask]

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

I think the deaths in Captain America were appropriate. Many Allied soldiers are seen killed. We get a glimpse of London having suffered the Blitz. The New York scene was also good. If somebody wants a truer World War 2 film I suggest watching a documentary instead of a Hollywood film.

Usually when an enemy fights a superhero, he's aiming at the superhero. In Iron Man 2, it was smart of Tony to fly away. I'm sure the civilians in the Expo did not enjoy being in a war zone. The falling glass itself can hurt all those people. We just don't see them after the park is cleared. That's a good thing because it might have lost its PG-13 rating.

A Hulk film deserves to have mass destruction, but the character is usually known for not harming a single innocent soul in rampage. The Abomination fight should have had more destruction, but it made sense he wanted to have people attack him more to test his power.

If supervillains keep targeting civilians you'll see just how slow to respond superheroes are to the crisis. I remember the horrific battle scene in Gundam F-91. A mobile suit fell on top of a high school, and you see one girl get crushed under the collapsing debris. If that happened in Iron Man it might have ruined the film.

 

[PSYLENTGuardian]

With Spider-Man, it's appropriate to picture the death of the Stacy's in the next coming movies.
And with The Dark Knight Rises, it's also safe to say that Bane and the League will up the level of chaos in Gotham. They blow up an entire football stadium with people inside, don't they?

 

[Red Mask]

With Spider-Man, it's appropriate to picture the death of the Stacy's in the next coming movies.
And with The Dark Knight Rises, it's also safe to say that Bane and the League will up the level of chaos in Gotham. They blow up an entire football stadium with people inside, don't they?

We can hope. Batman's villains are so crazy. It's very likely they'll shoot up a bus load of hostages just out of impulse. Doc Ock threw passengers off a train just to distract Spider-Man.

 

[misjuevos]

i'm drawing a blank, which civilains died in the nolan batman movies.

 

[RED_Rider]

Great post. It's not just Nolan's batmans. Burtons Bats are also the only ones with real civilian casualties.

 

[Red Mask]

i'm drawing a blank, which civilains died in the nolan batman movies.

Rachel got blown up.

A Batman wannbe got tortured and killed by the Joker (in a scene reflective to the story Red Dragon).

Cops aren't civilians but a lot of them got blown up. One commissioner was poisoned. Some crooks were murdered.


Hmm. Are you sure there are a lot? I'd say more people got killed in the Spider-Man movie than Nolan's Batman films.

 

[November Rain]

death is one of those things that has to be done with care.

there's no point killing someone unless it adds something to the story.

unless you want them to acknowlege the aspect of death after every action scene, what's the point?

but then again, characters like eddie brock who gets killed effectively just for kidnapping mj is a lil bit of a harsh sentence for him, that's the only thing the venom symbiote was really guilty of to be fair.

i'm trying to think of the best superhero film with relationship to killing but i can't think of one...

 

[Red Mask]

i'm trying to think of the best superhero film with relationship to killing but i can't think of one...

Blade 1 and 2?

 

[November Rain]

whistler's death is probably the only one in there that really mattered. the human and vampire deaths in general were cannon fodder. Even when his girl died at the end of 2, he wasnt bothered.

and the problem with the blade films in general is that blade coasted his way through nearly two entire films without the vampires and other beings being any real threat to him. nomak was the only one who gave him a proper beating and even when blade fluked a win against him, he acted all tough.

 

[Red Mask]

whistler's death is probably the only one in there that really mattered. the human and vampire deaths in general were cannon fodder. Even when his girl died at the end of 2, he wasnt bothered.

But it's the only movie franchise that justified the use of many civilian deaths, because vampires were everywhere.

 

[WarBlade]

Ghost Rider and Punisher have also had a bit of carnage.

 

[John Locke]

May not be civilians but since you mentioned that Hulk didn't hurt the soliders. Wolverine and Magneto combined killed more people in X2 then in Nolan's films. Then the soliders and Nazis Magneto kills in First Class. Senator Kelly in X-Men. The female scientist in Last Stand.

 

[SuperFerret]

Where are the casualties? Offscreen.

Bruce Banner isn't ever shown taking a crap, but we assume that he does.

 

[Red Mask]

May not be civilians but since you mentioned that Hulk didn't hurt the soliders. Wolverine and Magneto combined killed more people in X2 then in Nolan's films. Then the soliders and Nazis Magneto kills in First Class. Senator Kelly in X-Men. The female scientist in Last Stand.

We also know the Red Skull orderd an entire Norwegian village and its inhabitants destroyed in Captain America.

 

[November Rain]

But it's the only movie franchise that justified the use of many civilian deaths, because vampires were everywhere.

yeah but fodder death is just as boring as fodder knockouts

i would like a film that had like ten solid deaths in it

like when you have serial killer or thriller deaths, they tend to evoke more much menace because they are personal and somewhat more gruesome or tragic.

there's only ever one tragic superhero death per film per say.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I would like to see some serious collateral damage as a result of Superman and Zod fighting in Man Of Steel.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

In the 3rd x men movie a lot of people were presumably killed when magneto chucked flaming cars at the x-men and the army...yet no bodies...phoenix incinerates a whole bunch of soldiers..

 

[Red Mask]

yeah but fodder death is just as boring as fodder knockouts

i would like a film that had like ten solid deaths in it

like when you have serial killer or thriller deaths, they tend to evoke more much menace because they are personal and somewhat more gruesome or tragic.

there's only ever one tragic superhero death per film per say.

That's a very desensitized point of view. Many people die from accidents and violent attacks every day and it matters.

 

[SuperFerret]

You must not be able to watch disaster movies then.

 

[Red Mask]

You must not be able to watch disaster movies then.

Disaster films involve natural disasters. Man has no control over that. Action movies involve human intent when it comes to attacks. Having villains like the Joker killing a bunch of people is no more boring than when Timothy McVeigh blew up the building in Oklahoma. It demonstrates malice and depravity, which are not good traits.

 

[SuperFerret]

And?

 

[Anubis]

Yeah, they're villains. Malice and depravity is kind of a given.