Where did the Hidden go when...

[webhead731]

they died? Hell?

If they went to Hell, I'd think Mephisto would get them pretty good. If they went to Heaven...well that's just not fair.

So anyone have any guesses?

 

[Tempest19]

Don't know... but that would be pretty messed up if they went to heaven. Lol.

 

[Savage]

Hell. Mephisto's gonna have some fun with these guys.

 

[webhead731]

The other place I figured they may have went is just no where. Like completley gone 100%. But that's just stupid.

 

[Tempest19]

Yeah... let's have Memphisto torturing the hell out of them for disobeying him. Lol.

 

[kaijunexus]

At one point during the film, Blackheart alerts GR to the fact that he has no soul. I'd assume the same applies to his henchmen. Considering this, it's perfectly reasonable to assume that they don't go anywhere when they "die", as they aren't fleshy bodies containing immortal souls (if you believe in that kind of thing) as we are. Their very essence is destroyed by Ghost Rider, negating them from existence entirely.

 

[topdog1]

All I know is that this movie may have set the record for logic flaws. If you went to GR with a notebook determined to write down everything that makes little or no sense, then you'd fill at least eight pages. People need to try and stop dissecting this thing or else their own heads are going to explode in to fire. How could the editor cut this stuff for the director with a straight face? "You want what?!?"

 

[bullets]

they went to hell , thats what ghost rider does , he send them back

 

[Kasady]

How about where did Cartaker/Carter Slade go? What did he say he sold his soul for? Was it to have the power to save the town? It's not for love but that is selfless, so does he go to hell? Or did he redeem himself by not giving Mephisto the contract of souls?

 

[webhead731]

He sold it for wealth. And he might go to Hell, but he mentioned something about how he was sure God has forgiven him, probably because he is a good guy and people do make mistakes.

He will be in Heaven, I think.

 

[Heretic]

After selling his soul to the devil, how would he then get to heaven??

because he THINKS he will...

Hell, I THINK Im going to heaven...now that i know its that easy I'll be sure to commit every sin possible and then just keep thinking that Im going to heaven.

 

[Kasady]

Wealth oh $hit! Hope he did redeem himself enough.

 

[webhead731]

After selling his soul to the devil, how would he then get to heaven??

because he THINKS he will...

Hell, I THINK Im going to heaven...now that i know its that easy I'll be sure to commit every sin possible and then just keep thinking that Im going to heaven.

God is a God of second chances. Duh.

 

[cryptic name]

they died? Hell?

If they went to Hell, I'd think Mephisto would get them pretty good. If they went to Heaven...well that's just not fair.

So anyone have any guesses?

i don't think anyone GR kills goes to heaven

 

[Heretic]

God is a God of second chances. Duh.

Really? It says in the bible that if you literally sell your sould to the devil and then later regret it that you can just be forgiven and all is well??

A binding contract is a binding contract, even God cant dispute that in court.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

^ I work in an office full of lawyers who would agree with that.LOL

 

[Heretic]

The concept is that fire is an element...and earth wind and water are as well...so these three should each be on the same power level as Ghost Rider...yet each were dispatched with with complete and total ease...

Its just stupid, and makes for poor action scenes.

 

[FlameHead]

The concept is that these demons HID in the elements. They are not necessarily elemental demons. Ghost Rider is not hiding in the element of fire, his existance is the essance of fire and not just any fire, Hellfire. He is the creation of, for all purposes, the Devil.

What I'm trying to say is that, these other demons are no where near his power level. For me, I very pleased with his ease of dispatching because I know that his quest for vengeance is unstoppable.

 

[Heretic]

The concept is that these demons HID in the elements. They are not necessarily elemental demons. Ghost Rider is not hiding in the element of fire, his existance is the essance of fire and not just any fire, Hellfire. He is the creation of, for all purposes, the Devil.

What I'm trying to say is that, these other demons are no where near his power level. For me, I very pleased with his ease of dispatching because I know that his quest for vengeance is unstoppable.

So since he is now hellfire, and hellfire created the devil, then surely he is more powerful than the devil and can dispatch with him just as easily. heck, he broke his contract just because he felt like it. The devil doesnt stand a chance.

In the sequel can he just kill the devil with ease in the opening scene so we can be introduced to a villian who is far more powerful than the devil, since clearly the devil is no threat to our hero?

 

[FlameHead]

The devil is bound by the very contract that he used to create Ghost Rider. If Johnny is not willing to let his end of the contract cease, then there is nothing Mephisto can do about it.

 

[InVictus]

Erm, i think you misread FH post...

 

[Heretic]

The devil is bound by the very contract that he used to create Ghost Rider. If Johnny is not willing to let his end of the contract cease, then there is nothing Mephisto can do about it.

No, the contract was...do what I send you to do and your soul is mine, in return i cure your dad.

Tell me where in the movie it gives Blaze any room for bargaining, or any piece of ownership of his own soul to make any of these decisions.

Its just bad business...and a bad movie.

 

[FlameHead]

Yes, but you have to realize that there is a certain power in what Johnny sold his soul for; Love. This makes his contract special, if you understand the concept.

For someone who disliked the movie this much, you sure like talking about it. I never understand that. Either way, for me, conversation is conversation and I love conversin' about Ghost Rider.

 

[Heretic]

Oh no...Ive changed around completely...Ghost Rider is one of my favorite movies ever now! I truly believe it is a modern day comedy masterpiece. NO KIDDING! I always like to talk about the new movies and stuff the week they come out...this one I just feel is full of holes.

 

[The Kid]

Done trying to be a smartass yet?