The Avengers Where they have gone wrong with the avengers project so far

[J.Howlett]

wobbly,

The problem with your examples is that they were all a single franchise. Bond and Batman. There were no crossover films within the continuity.

We're going from Iron Man to Iron Man 2 to the Incredible Hulk to Thor to Captain America, then to Avengers.

If it was from the Incredible Hulk to Incredible Hulk 2, I wouldn't care. This is wholly different. The general audience will get confused unless they specifically reference the events of the Incredible Hulk in the film, out in the open. It can't be like a situation with the news cast in Iron Man 2. Only hardcore fans caught that.

 

[Brian Braddock]

I think you discredit the GA far too much, to be honest.

Most of them will be aware of who Banner is and who his alter-ego is; and that's all that matters. As I said before, it's as big of a deal as you want to make it - and to most other people, it's not something that bothers them.

 

[Iron_Stark]

^^^ Exactly.

This isn't a situation where the actor was exclusively tied down to the character, or it was his character.

And if people are so worried about the GA getting confused, in all honesty why should they? The majority of them probably never have seen TIH. They probably won't know if it was Norton or Bana that was the last Banner.

 

[Iron_Stark]

double.double

 

[Pumpkin_Bomb]

There's no reason to worry about the Hulk. Even if Marvel is worried about the recast confusing some people, once it's established that he's Banner/Hulk, all will be well. Everyone knows the basics of the Hulk, even those who have never seen the previous movies, so it's not like he'd need to be reintroduced or treated as new. Nothing from the previous movie really needs to be retreaded or referenced either, since none of it is likely to have any impact on the Avengers, other than the previously mentioned Stark scene from the ending, which is pretty self-explanatory anyway.

In short: s'all good.

 

[GuestStar2004]

the problem i have with the re-cast is that there was so much character development in TIH all acted out by nortan, and its hard to replace an actor and have the character still be recognisable without the actors development of the character

and it sounds to be a jam packed movie, so i cant see banner the new guy getting a chance with character development, so they have to hit the right note with the character or he will just be there expecting us to know who he is, apart from someone who gets angry and turns into the hulk

and i dont know what the reason was for the re-cast, but i doubt they would repace RDJR as iron man that easy

 

[BigThor]

As far as I'm concerned, the recast is really only a big deal when some fans want to make a big deal out of it. It's a simple recast, nothing more. All this talk of main characters and supporting characters doesnt mean a thing to me.

Personally, I dont think its indicitive of a new direction or fresh approach and, as Wobbly said, the fact that they used TIH footage in IM2 shows that Marvel does appear to want to keep it in continuity.

I agree with this post

 

[captainrogers]

There's no reason to worry about the Hulk. Even if Marvel is worried about the recast confusing some people, once it's established that he's Banner/Hulk, all will be well. Everyone knows the basics of the Hulk, even those who have never seen the previous movies, so it's not like he'd need to be reintroduced or treated as new. Nothing from the previous movie really needs to be retreaded or referenced either, since none of it is likely to have any impact on the Avengers, other than the previously mentioned Stark scene from the ending, which is pretty self-explanatory anyway.

In short: s'all good.

I just think of it in comic book terms: still follows same storyline, just switched up the artist and/or writer. It'll still be the Hulk from that film that Norton was a part of.

 

[BigThor]

I just think of it in comic book terms: still follows same storyline, just switched up the artist and/or writer. It'll still be the Hulk from that film that Norton was a part of.

This

 

[The Cocreator]

It's strange how many were allways mad for Iron Man 2 but now nobody talks about it here, now for me the only problem so far is visual continuity problems:

Rhodey in Iron Man and Iron Man 2 was too different and

The Bruces don't have so many differences
Ok, they'rre very different.

 

[WildcatNC]

We could always just "Hayden Christiansen" Ruffalo into TIH. t:

 

[jadejaws]

I'll admit that I was initially upset when it was announced that Norton would not be returning. But that's the way it goes. At this point, I guess I'm just glad the Hulk's going to be in another movie. The only thing that concerns me right now is a potential redesign of the Hulk. I personally LOVED the look in 2008, but my fear is that they're going to try and 'reinvent the wheel' due to Banner's recasting. IMO it would be foolish for them to do so, yet I can still see it happening.

 

[WildcatNC]

I'll admit that I was initially upset when it was announced that Norton would not be returning. But that's the way it goes. At this point, I guess I'm just glad the Hulk's going to be in another movie. The only thing that concerns me right now is a potential redesign of the Hulk. I personally LOVED the look in 2008, but my fear is that they're going to try and 'reinvent the wheel' due to Banner's recasting. IMO it would be foolish for them to do so, yet I can still see it happening.

I agree with you. I liked the Hulks look in TIH and I hope they keep it.

 

[BigThor]

I'll admit that I was initially upset when it was announced that Norton would not be returning. But that's the way it goes. At this point, I guess I'm just glad the Hulk's going to be in another movie. The only thing that concerns me right now is a potential redesign of the Hulk. I personally LOVED the look in 2008, but my fear is that they're going to try and 'reinvent the wheel' due to Banner's recasting. IMO it would be foolish for them to do so, yet I can still see it happening.

I agree with you. I liked the Hulks look in TIH and I hope they keep it.

I agree with both of you, I absolutely LOVED Hulk's design in TIH and it is simply AMAZING in my opinion (I watched it a few days ago).

Alot of people might think this is crazy, but TIH's Hulk is my favorite version of Hulk...ever!

 

[bubbadoom]

There should be very little Banner in this movie - and mostly Hulk - so the recasting of Banner's not a problem. I do hope they give us a better Hulk, one closer to the real Hulk, the classic Kirby Ayers Hulk...

 

[BigThor]

There should be very little Banner in this movie - and mostly Hulk - so the recasting of Banner's not a problem. I do hope they give us a better Hulk, one closer to the real Hulk, the classic Kirby Ayers Hulk...

No, there's no need to change Hulk's design from TIH

However, I do agree with the part about Hulk being in the movie more than Banner.

 

[WildcatNC]

No, there's no need to change Hulk's design from TIH

However, I do agree with the part about Hulk being in the movie more than Banner.

I disagree with both of you about that honestly.

If your going to make a big casting change then own up to it, don't hide from it. I would actually like to see Ruffalo have a bigger part than he otherwise would have to cement himself in the role. He needs a "Rhodie" moment with a great performance. "I'm here, its me, get over it". Not EXACTLY that but confront it, move past it, give us a great movie.

Don't hide from it. It will only make it worse.


The Hulk himself should look as identical to the version in TIH as possible imo as well. An actor change might have been unavoidable, but its not needed for the actual Hulk. Keep the continuity where you can. Not to mention it looked bad***.

 

[BigThor]

I disagree with both of you about that honestly.

If your going to make a big casting change then own up to it, don't hide from it. I would actually like to see Ruffalo have a bigger part than he otherwise would have to cement himself in the role. He needs a "Rhodie" moment with a great performance. "I'm here, its me, get over it". Not EXACTLY that but confront it, move past it, give us a great movie.

Don't hide from it. It will only make it worse.


The Hulk himself should look as identical to the version in TIH as possible imo as well. An actor change might have been unavoidable, but its not needed for the actual Hulk. Keep the continuity where you can. Not to mention it looked bad***.

Well I'm stickin' to my guns I don't think there's much room for Banner in the Avengers, it has nothing to do with Ruffalo.

 

[WildcatNC]

Well I'm stickin' to my guns I don't think there's much room for Banner in the Avengers, it has nothing to do with Ruffalo.

I see what your saying and I do think there should be a lot of Hulk.

Hulk is not a good character though, Banner is. Unless he's the "smart" Hulk then he's a one trick pony (character wise) if its just the Hulk. You cant really have an effective Man/Monster character if he's only the monster.

You at least need enough Banner to develop the character and make him interesting and relatable. Makes it even harder by establishing a new actor in the role.

 

[BigThor]

I see what your saying and I do think there should be a lot of Hulk.

Hulk is not a good character though, Banner is. Unless he's the "smart" Hulk then he's a one trick pony (character wise) if its just the Hulk. You cant really have an effective Man/Monster character if he's only the monster.

You at least need enough Banner to develop the character and make him interesting and relatable. Makes it even harder by establishing a new actor in the role.

There's an easy solution to that, they can just make his personality similar to A:EMH's version of Hulk (except more serious).

Let's not forget Banner's smiling at the end of TIH when he was about to transform into Hulk, which was hinting at some form of control.

 

[Visceral]

thne worst part of this projectis that it is taking so long, I should be seeing this tonight.

 

[WildcatNC]

There's an easy solution to that, they can just make his personality similar to A:EMH's version of Hulk (except more serious).

Let's not forget Banner's smiling at the end of TIH when he was about to transform into Hulk, which was hinting at some form of control.

As is though, we would need to see some Banner. You could certainly change him around and make it work. It would be a shame to waste a good actor like Ruffalo though.

 

[BigThor]

As is though, we would need to see some Banner. You could certainly change him around and make it work. It would be a shame to waste a good actor like Ruffalo though.

Oh no I didn't mean no Ruffalo, I was just saying that they should have nearly equal screen time excerpt with Hulk having a bit more instead of the usual Banner >>> Hulk (in terms of screen time)

The Avengers budget is gonna be over 200 million so Hulk's CGI shouldn't be too expensive, just looke how much screen time the Autobots had in ROTF.

 

[WildcatNC]

Oh no I didn't mean no Ruffalo, I was just saying that they should have nearly equal screen time excerpt with Hulk having a bit more instead of the usual Banner >>> Hulk (in terms of screen time)

The Avengers budget is gonna be over 200 million so Hulk's CGI shouldn't be too expensive, just looke how much screen time the Autobots had in ROTF.

I imagine it will be Action/Fights = Hulk, Drama/story = Banner with some crossover here and there.

I guess the amount of action will determine the amount of Hulk.

 

[BigThor]

I imagine it will be Action/Fights = Hulk, Drama/story = Banner with some crossover here and there.

I guess the amount of action will determine the amount of Hulk.

I agree with that idea, but it would also be good to see Hulk interacting with the Avengers during some moments of "downtime".