BvS Which Green Lantern should be used?

[Beige Lantern]

And for good measure, here's Barry Allen: Smart, warm, funny, nerdy, friendly, down to earth, guy-you're-most-likely-to-bump-into-in-the-DC Universe, cool, easygoing, chill, slow, lazy, late, compassionate, caring, patient, dry wit, introvert with extrovert tendencies, genius, shy, kind hearted, innocent, detective, creative....these are just some things off the top of my head that describe who Barry Allen is.

I think you're ascribing a number of characteristics that actually transferred from Wally back to Barry in reverse.

Granted, ALL the Flashes have a touch of what I love about the franchise: ordinary guys who got caught up in a lot more than they expected but still stay regular guys. But I think Wally does this better than the others. He's the one who tries the hardest - and succeeds the best - at having a normal life. Like Animal Man without the edginess, he is constantly struggling to find a balance. But he's still starstruck by Wonder Woman. He's a great connecting point between the audience and this utterly fantastic universe.

And unlike the Green Lanterns who don't inherit a true legacy the way the Flashes do, that inheritance does drive his character in unique and interesting ways, even when it's not the main story.

Plus he had the benefit of being written by Mark Waid all through the 80's...

 

[HighFivingMF]

The argument for sticking with the original Green Lantern is he's a fundamentally more developed character with a longer backstory. Barry doesn't even have that going for him. Barry Allen is boring.

Let's apply the Harry S. Plinkett test: Describe this character without mentioning their job, their costume or what they look like. Describe this character as if you're doing so to a person who has never heard of them.

Wally West... we can go on for days.

Barry Allen....

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He died to save the entire multiverse. That was cool.

Oh wait, but then he didn't.

I like how you listed one more thing for the guy you claim is boring than the one you're advocating.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Oh, I disagree. And some of the best JLA writing has been just that scenario: Superman and Batman are arguing about some sort of theoretical right or wrong or just a different strategic philosophy and Wonder Woman is like "Will you two put your ***** back in your pants and help me out with these giant robots?"

Then wouldn't Wonder Woman be the one to say that instead of Lantern?

 

[Tv's Phil]

They better hurry up and announce Hal and Barry so this can be over with.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

Every comic book character can be boring depending on the writer. I've read some GL books where I loved Hal and found him enjoyable. Since the switch of writers recently, I've actually found the entire GL books boring.

Same goes for other characters I love - Deadpool for example. I love his current run, but two years ago (when he lost his regenerative ability) and was cured, that particular run was piss poor.

Characters are a lot more interesting when they have a struggle that we, the audience can related to.

It doesn't matter what human is popped up on screen; it can be Hal, Kyle, Stewart, Jimmy O' Hooligan etc. If the writing is weak sauce, then all of the characters will be one diementional cardboard cut outs.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Exactly. Any of the GLs have potential to be a great character on screen or in comics. It just depends on the writing. If the character is written as one-note and boring, then it doesn't matter whether they use Hal, John, Kyle, Guy or Jud Plato. Well okay, Jud Plato would suck no matter what.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I'd assume everyone is hoping they'd be written well. Even when John is written well, I prefer the vast majority of Lanterns to him.

With the Flash family I like Barry the best, because he is basically us, he's a comic book nerd who became a comic book hero.

 

[Zionite]

I think the bigger issue with GL is less about which one,and more about making him Kill

 

[Rowsdower!]

Huh?

 

[Zionite]

What?How did I type that?
What I meant to say was this:I think the bigger issue with GL is less about which one,and more about correcting the flaws in the GL concept

 

[Rowsdower!]

Yep, totally agree with that. It's a tough concept to put on the big screen, no matter which character is used. And with the way the previous film bombed, using the GL name at all is a huge risk.

 

[John-An]

What's the point of having all of Bart's attributes and not his name? It would be like having a black Hal Jordan, yeah to the public he's a black Green Lantern, and therefore must be the one from the cartoon a decade ago. But he wouldn't be, not even close.

If Bart's personality is to be used just have Bart be the first Flash and give him a redux Barry's origin.

You may have a point on Bart. But having Barts personality on Wally's name was done in JL Animated series. That was my point.

All of The Flashes have good senses of humor. Bart is more childish and immature, Wally is slightly temperamental but funny and serious but also cool, and can be sarcastic at times, Barry is funny depending on the situation and will banter with villains sometimes, he is more of an everyman type and the most down to earth of all The Flashes, if he makes a joke it's usually a dry one or a deliberately corny one, but a smart one. Barry is also warm and friendly. Wally is friendly too, he's like a less jerky Anakin Skywalker. Jay is funny in that he would smack talk his villains but has a more old fashioned sense of humor. He was also somewhat of an everyman back then too in keeping with The Flash theme I guess.

Oh good info man. Thanks

 

[brainchild81]

Yep, totally agree with that. It's a tough concept to put on the big screen, no matter which character is used. And with the way the previous film bombed, using the GL name at all is a huge risk.

I honestly think they'd lessen the risk considerably by not using the one who they heavily promoted in the lead up to said bomb. Using one who looks and acts vastly different from the one that already bombed makes the most sense.Hal's been around and promoted outside of comics quite often for over 50years. In that time he's never really connected w/non comic book readers. All emotions from comic book fans aside, there's no reason to believe that this pattern will suddenly change. I don't see why WB wouldn't try something new. I'm still a fan of Reynolds but skipped seeing GL in theaters because Hal doesn't interest me at all. I can't think of any viable actors that could get me or the GA interested in Hal Jordan that would go anywhere near the character. While tradition is nice if sticking to it has shown to be profitable, in cases when it's not being profitable, the studio should take advantage of the situation & start a new tradition that can be. Respecting tradition is one thing, being shackled by it is another. The one time we've seen a JL w/John & sans Hal was a huge success, proving that Hal is non-essential. He's a character that was sacrificed for the greater good & it worked. There's no reason not to do this again, especially since nothing that Hal's been involved with before or since has made him irreplaceable or even wanted by the GA. I'd honestly rather see a JL w/no GL at all than one w/Hal again. Putting him there just to satisfy a tiny group w/no real box office power is not good business.

While I think "one black person is enough" is a bad line of thinking, I do think that's the mindset DC has. I'm not a huge fan of Cyborg tho & would much rather see John Stewart than him. I'd rather see John and MM more than Cyborg regardless of what color they make J'onn's human alter-ego.

While I'm a bigger fan of (Pre-new 52) Wally, Barry's still cool. I'd be ok w/either of them.

 

[Rorschach2012]

with Fillion as Nova and Chris Pratt as Star Lord, John Stewart is seeming more likely...

 

[Zionite]

So Novas coming out?Damn. WB needs to reboot GL as fast as possible before Nova or look like Ripoff of Nova when its the other way around.Especially considering the fact Nova is actually a better Green Lantern than Green Lantern.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I don't know that any GL has really connected with audiences outside of comic books that much. You can say that John has, based on the Justice League cartoon, but you could also make the argument that Hal connected with audiences back in the Super Friends days.

I personally just think the GL name is tainted now. It's a shame, and I hate it, but it's true and I don't think it matters which GL they use. Hal is my personal favorite, but they can use whichever one they want... I'll get behind it if it's good. But I think that, if they're smart, they'll steer clear of GL until at least the second JL movie so they can put even more distance between them and the GL film.

 

[Zionite]

I don't know that any GL has really connected with audiences outside of comic books that much. You can say that John has, based on the Justice League cartoon, but you could also make the argument that Hal connected with audiences back in the Super Friends days.

I personally just think the GL name is tainted now. It's a shame, and I hate it, but it's true and I don't think it matters which GL they use. Hal is my personal favorite, but they can use whichever one they want... I'll get behind it if it's good. But I think that, if they're smart, they'll steer clear of GL until at least the second JL movie so they can put even more distance between them and the GL film.

Dude.Novas coming out.They got to move fast!

 

[Rowsdower!]

I don't really think they do. People are going to draw comparisons between these characters no matter what. There are a lot of similarities but there are also plenty of differences between the two.

 

[Zionite]

I don't really think they do. People are going to draw comparisons between these characters no matter what. There are a lot of similarities but there are also plenty of differences between the two.

They are very similar dude.Very.Nova is a ripoff of GL.But its a better one.
Howver if it comes first GL will look like a Ripoff of Gl

 

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah, maybe. But then, Thanos is kind of a knock off of Darkseid and we'll see him first (although I personally think he's cooler than Darkseid anyway).

At least we'll have Aquaman before Namor, which is great, because I've always thought Namor was lame.

 

[113]

I honestly think they'd lessen the risk considerably by not using the one who they heavily promoted in the lead up to said bomb. Using one who looks and acts vastly different from the one that already bombed makes the most sense.Hal's been around and promoted outside of comics quite often for over 50years. In that time he's never really connected w/non comic book readers. All emotions from comic book fans aside, there's no reason to believe that this pattern will suddenly change. I don't see why WB wouldn't try something new. I'm still a fan of Reynolds but skipped seeing GL in theaters because Hal doesn't interest me at all. I can't think of any viable actors that could get me or the GA interested in Hal Jordan that would go anywhere near the character. While tradition is nice if sticking to it has shown to be profitable, in cases when it's not being profitable, the studio should take advantage of the situation & start a new tradition that can be. Respecting tradition is one thing, being shackled by it is another. The one time we've seen a JL w/John & sans Hal was a huge success, proving that Hal is non-essential. He's a character that was sacrificed for the greater good & it worked. There's no reason not to do this again, especially since nothing that Hal's been involved with before or since has made him irreplaceable or even wanted by the GA. I'd honestly rather see a JL w/no GL at all than one w/Hal again. Putting him there just to satisfy a tiny group w/no real box office power is not good business.

While I think "one black person is enough" is a bad line of thinking, I do think that's the mindset DC has. I'm not a huge fan of Cyborg tho & would much rather see John Stewart than him. I'd rather see John and MM more than Cyborg regardless of what color they make J'onn's human alter-ego.

While I'm a bigger fan of (Pre-new 52) Wally, Barry's still cool. I'd be ok w/either of them.

100% agree. When it comes down to the "who is more popular among the GA" argument I think that clearly goes to John Stewart. Why? Well JL/U isn't Game of Thrones in terms of popularity, but I guarantee more people watched that show than ever picked up a GL comic book. I also bet more people watched that show than have picked up WB's solo GL-centric animated flicks (First Flight and Emerald Knights). I also bet more people watched JL/U than watched GL: TAS.

Almost every medium you can point to where Hal is the main GL, I'd bet money that more people watched JL/U (either through CN originally, reruns, or buying the series on DVD/Blu-Ray).

The one medium where that's not true is live-action movie. More people probably saw the Ryan Reynolds movie; but most people also hated it or were indifferent. It left no lasting positive impact on people. JL/U was critically acclaimed and beloved.

If I'm someone at WB I'm seriously questioning why we keep pushing Hal Jordan to the GA. Hardcore fans seem to prefer him - although, judging by the poll in this own thread it's not some 90-10 preference for Hal. But what evidence do we have that most people (the GA) will like him? If anything, we have evidence pointing to the GA rejecting him.

 

[Zionite]

zack snyder and david goyer hijacked your post. :dv:

:ba lol

 

[Psycho_Sith]

100% agree. When it comes down to the "who is more popular among the GA" argument I think that clearly goes to John Stewart. Why? Well JL/U isn't Game of Thrones in terms of popularity, but I guarantee more people watched that show than ever picked up a GL comic book. I also bet more people watched that show than have picked up WB's solo GL-centric animated flicks (First Flight and Emerald Knights). I also bet more people watched JL/U than watched GL: TAS.

Almost every medium you can point to where Hal is the main GL, I'd bet money that more people watched JL/U (either through CN originally, reruns, or buying the series on DVD/Blu-Ray).

The one medium where that's not true is live-action movie. More people probably saw the Ryan Reynolds movie; but most people also hated it or were indifferent. It left no lasting positive impact on people. JL/U was critically acclaimed and beloved.

If I'm someone at WB I'm seriously questioning why we keep pushing Hal Jordan to the GA. Hardcore fans seem to prefer him - although, judging by the poll in this own thread it's not some 90-10 preference for Hal. But what evidence do we have that most people (the GA) will like him? If anything, we have evidence pointing to the GA rejecting him.

Agreed. My feleings are that JS's GL should be in JL; not necessarily ignoring the RR film, but moving on into JS's story.

 

[Hush]

I mean pretty much, I'd love for both of them to show up in the movie universe at some point (GL corps movie!), but the chances of either of them being used in BvS or Justice League are very slim...

They both have just as good a chance as showing up as John and Hal do.

 

[Bam-Bam]

I don't see how this is hard to understand, that's who the characters are, why should they change it? You don't have to change things to add diversity. There are plenty of ways to add diversity without changing things to do it.

I doubt the general audience is going to skip the movie because most of the cast is white either, so again, why do they have to change the characters or lineup? The Avengers did great in the box office and the 5 actual Avengers were all white people, why is it such a sin to not have a diverse cast? The answer is, it's not.

I'm not a purist, I'm a fan of the characters the way they are. And your analogies are terrible by the way. It's not the same thing at all.

So kids of all races can see a superhero that looks like them on screen. Going by your preference on the Avengers and Justice League lineup, there would be a total of 10 white guys out of a total of 12 characters. That sends the message to little minority kids that only white males are allowed to be superheroes.