BvS Which Green Lantern should be used?

[Human Torch]

So kids of all races can see a superhero that looks like them on screen. Going by your preference on the Avengers and Justice League lineup, there would be a total of 10 white guys out of a total of 12 characters. That sends the message to little minority kids that only white males are allowed to be superheroes.

But the flip side is getting a group of heroes nobody cares about or changing the race of pre-existing characters for the sake of diversity.The former is the same failed inexcusable "affirmative action" experiment,while the latter is completely unacceptable.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

There are always people complaining about black characters showing up in genre films even when that character was originally black. It makes me uncomfortable.

Anyway I perfer Stewart but if they use Jordan, fine as long as they find a way to make him interesting.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

It comes down to half my heart saying Hal and half my heart saying John... And then my head saying John to break the tie.

If the GL film had been far better it would be Hal by a mile though.

 

[John-An]

We're assuming that we almost are going to get Hal-Barry but what if we get Kyle and Wally?

 

[regwec]

But the flip side is getting a group of heroes nobody cares about or changing the race of pre-existing characters for the sake of diversity.The former is the same failed inexcusable "affirmative action" experiment,while the latter is completely unacceptable.

You're assuming that nobody "cares about" characters that don't happen to be white. Clearly, that is wrong, and you should consider whether you are projecting your own prejudices.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It comes down to half my heart saying Hal and half my heart saying John... And then my head saying John to break the tie.

If the GL film had been far better it would be Hal by a mile though.

Hal Jordan is the main GL in the comics and I don't have any issue with the love he has received but as you said that movie in 2011. Yeesh. It just knocked the wind outta me and I was really looking forward to that film so it was kinda personal. I actually read some freakin GL comics I was so interested in that film.

I honestly wouldn't even give a sequel by a completely different director and writter a chance because I don't like the foundation of the Green Lantern film. To me it's not even an interesting failure, it's a by the numbers, dull and wittless film. I think I was still in denial somewhat until I struggled through it on DVD for a second viewing.

It's dubious to blame Reynolds at all but as I keep saying he is the face of that film so I do kinda blame him. If he were great (and he wasn't) I still wouldn't want him back because of the connection to that film. And I feel the same way about the Hal Jordan character. I didn't think he was all that interesting in the comics I read either to be fair. Unless I really like the actor I'm not going to be interested in the cinematic revival of Hal Jordan.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

There were so many things that could have been done in the GL film that would maybe come across as counter intuitive but would have made it a different and richer film. I always say that the GL film's greatest sin isn't that it's badly written, or that it's two villains are so underwhelming, or that they had a chance to beat Marvel to the punch with a "Space Opera/Sci Fi" superhero movie but whiffed... The problem is it's so paint by the numbers. It's everything from the recent slate of super hero films in a blender and none of it works to make it distinctive in any way, and the Hal Jordan character can be distinctive in his own way. Damned shame. Which is why I think they will go with John.

All that said.... Bruce Banner got two mulligans on the big screen and they hit pay dirt on number 3, so who is to say Hal won't get another shot?

 

[Rorschach2012]

If they ever plan on introducing Sinestro and they use John, John needs Hal's relationship with Sinestro. Other than that, he would work for a solo franchise, just set the thing pretty much entirely space

 

[regwec]

It's everything from the recent slate of super hero films in a blender and none of it works to make it distinctive in any way

To be fair, however, I find that most CBM's feel that way. I can't argue that GL was a good or even an acceptable film, but I don't understand why it gets panned while many other CBMs which are stylistically very similar get a pass.

One of the reasons that characters like Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Constantine interest me is that that it seems inevitable they will bring something slightly different to the genre.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I guess you have a point with the Banner comparison, I didn't like any of the Banner's until Whedon and Ruffulo came along.

 

[Lily Adler]

Difference is there is one Hulk and many GLs.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Difference is there is one Hulk and many GLs.

Jen Walters, Rick Jones, General Ross, Betty Ross, and Skarr would like a word with you in Jeph Loeb's office.

 

[regwec]

I'm not a follower of Hulk, but is that really a direct parallel? I mean, the GL's seem unusual in the realm of superheroes in that they run concurrently as well as consecutively.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I'm not a follower of Hulk, but is that really a direct parallel? I mean, the GL's seem unusual in the realm of superheroes in that they run concurrently as well as consecutively.

It was a joke. Unclench brotha-man.

 

[MrsKent26]

But the flip side is getting a group of heroes nobody cares about or changing the race of pre-existing characters for the sake of diversity.The former is the same failed inexcusable "affirmative action" experiment,while the latter is completely unacceptable.

Inexcusable and unacceptable?


This post of yours...really doesn't come off well.

 

[Lily Adler]

Jen Walters, Rick Jones, General Ross, Betty Ross, and Skarr would like a word with you in Jeph Loeb's office.

 

[Tv's Phil]

This may be common sense, but I think a lot of people would like to see Hal as GL without being seen as enemies of diversity or getting in the way of "progress."

Having said that, the debate in this thread should really be about the real narrative pros and cons between Hal and John. Since it's likely one of them. It seems like it's constantly just "diversity" or <blank> is generally more interesting.
Ignore the political aspects of the argument and look at what using either would bring. Or an amalgamation of both.

I can say all day long that Hal is more interesting as a character than John, but it doesn't mean much without specifics.

I know it sounds like I'm talking down to people but my point is this thread always ends up focused on the politically charged aspects of it and getting nowhere. Maybe it's not meant to get anywhere. I guess it just feels like circular debate.

 

[regwec]

You have a point, but the ethical debate tends to recur because we see a lot of variants of the assertion that "one black person is quite enough thank you very much". I don't blame anyone for taking issue with that kind of sentiment.

 

[D.P.]

You have a point, but the ethical debate tends to recur because we see a lot of variants of the assertion that "one black person is quite enough thank you very much". I don't blame anyone for taking issue with that kind of sentiment.

Yea, I noticed all is well and good when you "fill the quota" so to speak, but don't dare go beyond that.

 

[Tv's Phil]

I can understand that.
I think there's a lot of assumptions about why people want a specific character which then leads to, "How can I satisfy this desire for them while still getting the lineup I want?"
So it's like a weird draft. "Okay, you can have John Stewart, with a little Hal, but I want Shazam."

The ideal world of the comics has room for all these characters. Now we have to condense that down to fit a 2 hr movie.

 

[Human Torch]

You're assuming that nobody "cares about" characters that don't happen to be white. Clearly, that is wrong, and you should consider whether you are projecting your own prejudices.

No,I'm talking about the GA for the most part.For example,in DOFP a lot of fans of the X-Men were happy to see Bishop.But...to the GA the reaction was "Who is this guy?What's his deal?I wanna see (fill in the blank)."

Now,you wanna replace a more beloved member of the JL for the sake of filling a quota,that's your prerogative.But the GA are likely not going to respond better to Cyborg or Stewart over Flash,Aquaman or even Hal.They're "inside baseball" as far as the GA is concerned.

 

[Human Torch]

Inexcusable and unacceptable?


This post of yours...really doesn't come off well.

I find it unacceptable (for the most part).It betrays a lack of faith in the human condition to not be able to empathize with a person not of your race.If you want to be serious about being "colorblind" you have to let go of the notion that a black kid can't look up to the Flash...unless there's a black Flash,Black GL,etc...It's a type of segregation,to be honest..

 

[Human Torch]

You have a point, but the ethical debate tends to recur because we see a lot of variants of the assertion that "one black person is quite enough thank you very much". I don't blame anyone for taking issue with that kind of sentiment.

Well,I certainly don't agree with that.But the problem,as I said before,stems from the fact that there's only so much room on the team in one movie.And people expect to see some of the obvious ones (Supe,Bats,WW).I honestly don't have a problem having Stewart in the role eventually,but I'm a firm believer you start at the beginning.Hal before John,Barry before Wally,Dick before Tim.There's always going to come a time for them eventually.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

You have a point, but the ethical debate tends to recur because we see a lot of variants of the assertion that "one black person is quite enough thank you very much". I don't blame anyone for taking issue with that kind of sentiment.

It's best to ignore those posts. Especially since they're redundant anyway given there is now three members that are not of western European ethnicity.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I find it unacceptable (for the most part).It betrays a lack of faith in the human condition to not be able to empathize with a person not of your race.If you want to be serious about being "colorblind" you have to let go of the notion that a black kid can't look up to the Flash...unless there's a black Flash,Black GL,etc...It's a type of segregation,to be honest..

No one is saying black kids can't love white heroes. It's simply a matter of representation. Minorities are just very poorly represented in mainstream media and this film has an opportunity to change that.

And please drop the colorblind nonsense. It's not progressive, just willfully ignorant. I've been told before by friends that they "don't even see me as black" and it's insulting to be honest. I am black. I enjoy being black. My blackness has an awesome history behind it that informs a lot about me as a person. It does me no favors to strip me of that.