BvS Which Green Lantern should be used?

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Are there any black characters that you think should be allowed in Superhero movies Human Torch? I ask because you seem to almost be offended by the idea of black superheroes.

 

[Rorschach2012]

This would be satisfactory.

 

[Human Torch]

Are there any black characters that you think should be allowed in Superhero movies Human Torch? I ask because you seem to almost be offended by the idea of black superheroes.

I don't know how you arrived at that conclusion?I thought I made the point pretty clear.I even said I disagree with the assumption "One black hero,per movie is enough." The fact is there are more heroes that are not black that take priority in theses films.(Supes,Bats,WW,etc)

For example,I can't see why Falcon and War Machine aren't in the Avengers (if not the next film,the one after) but then you have to decide who you want to drop in favor of either.(Does Hawkeye go?Do the GA really want to see Rhodey over Clint?)Or you could do it "X-Men style" and give one of them a glorified cameo.Placing as many characters in a film as the GA wants to see is a tricky thing.

 

[Human Torch]

No one is saying black kids can't love white heroes. It's simply a matter of representation. Minorities are just very poorly represented in mainstream media and this film has an opportunity to change that.

And please drop the colorblind nonsense. It's not progressive, just willfully ignorant. I've been told before by friends that they "don't even see me as black" and it's insulting to be honest. I am black. I enjoy being black. My blackness has an awesome history behind it that informs a lot about me as a person. It does me no favors to strip me of that.

I don't disagree at all.My point has always been a persons race informs who they are as much as anything.It's always the people purposing character "race changing" that suggest "There's nothing about -lets say-The Human Torch that says he must be white." No,he was created white.You want to change that,you're going to have to drastically alter the fabric of the character and his history to adapt to the change.So I'm not using "colorblind" in the sense that we should overlook racial identity.

 

[Richard Grayson]

Yeah, I have no problem with those that prefer Hal as a character. That's fine. The only thing that I protested in this thread was when people used Cyborg being in the film as reason Stewart isn't needed

 

[MrsKent26]

I find it unacceptable (for the most part).It betrays a lack of faith in the human condition to not be able to empathize with a person not of your race.If you want to be serious about being "colorblind" you have to let go of the notion that a black kid can't look up to the Flash...unless there's a black Flash,Black GL,etc...It's a type of segregation,to be honest..

Wow. This post makes your "point" look even worse.

It's best to ignore those posts. Especially since they're redundant anyway given there is now three members that are not of western European ethnicity.

I think it'd be better to ignore the posts that imply there should be a limit on how many non-white characters are used, but that's just my humble opinion.

 

[Human Torch]

Wow. This post makes your "point" look even worse.

Care to expound on your reason for saying so?

 

[MrsKent26]

Care to expound on your reason for saying so?

Honestly? Not really.

I've gotten in a few arguments in my time with people that I thought didn't understand feminism or related issues because it's frustrating to see people posting things that seem ignorant about issues that matter to me. I still feel most of those people were/are ignorant, but I think I just misunderstood one or two of them. I have similarily strong opinions about the representation of "minorities."

I usually don't hesitate to explain, but I feel you're so off the mark here that I would just get frustrated in a discussion about it. So, in the interest of not not being involved in a debate, I'll just say that I really disagree with what seems to be your outlook on this and will move along.

 

[DOBSON10]

No one has said that there can't be more than one black character (or female character). When it comes to the diversity issue, again, I have no problem with including more black or female characters. The only thing I've said, is I don't agree with replacing the big stars just to add more diversity, thus, forcing them in just to be diverse.

Some people have different opinions about which characters they like best, to be expected not everyone is the same, but to most fans and the general audience, Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Hal Jordan as Green Lantern, Flash and Aquaman are the stars of not only the Justice League but DC Comics in general (hero wise). Those are the top guns of DC to most people, now obviously Flash, Lantern and Aquaman aren't on the same level as Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman but those 6 are the most time honored and popular characters, generally speaking. The majority of fans and the general audience want to see those characters the most. Because they are the most popular. Like it or not, Hal Jordan is the most recognizable Green Lantern. I'm not saying that there isn't a strong fanbase for John Stewart, or that there isn't a big group of fans that like John better than Hal but Hal is the most popular Green Lantern, he just is. And those characters all happen to be "white", it's nobodies fault that the most popular characters are white, that's just how they were written in the beginning and those are the characters that gained the biggest fanbases, the characters that the fans made the most popular by buying their products more than other characters.

Martian Manhunter, John Stewart and Cyborg just aren't as popular overall, they all have their own fanbase but they just aren't on that level with the main 6. Actually, in recent years I would say Green Arrow has become more popular than those 3 as well, another white character. More fans connect with those characters for whatever reason (IMO it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with how interesting the characters are).

Think of it in terms of Boxing, yes, there are alot of people that like the undercard boxers but at the end of day, everyone wants to see the main event. Stewart, Cyborg and even Martian Manhunter are just undercard characters, not because they are black but because they are not as popular as the other 6 are.

So for me, and the majority of fans/general audience (even if it's a slim majority advantage, which I don't think it is) those 6 have to be there first and foremost. You could put Manhunter, Cyborg and John Stewart (and an extra female character or two as well since that's another part of the diversity debate) in the movie and I would have zero problem with it. But everyone wants the big guns in the movie and unfortunately for those that want more diversity, the most popular characters just happen to be white. Personally I don't care what color the characters are, I just want the most interesting characters. The most interesting black characters for me are Blade and Storm, but they're not DC characters, I like both of those characters alot. I just don't find the black DC characters that interesting.

 

[lc23]

Ugh! These... It just never ends.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Wow. This post makes your "point" look even worse.



I think it'd be better to ignore the posts that imply there should be a limit on how many non-white characters are used, but that's just my humble opinion.

Show me where someone implied this...

 

[Human Torch]

Honestly? Not really.

I've gotten in a few arguments in my time with people that I thought didn't understand feminism or related issues because it's frustrating to see people posting things that seem ignorant about issues that matter to me. I still feel most of those people were/are ignorant, but I think I just misunderstood one or two of them. I have similarily strong opinions about the representation of "minorities."

I usually don't hesitate to explain, but I feel you're so off the mark here that I would just get frustrated in a discussion about it. So, in the interest of not not being involved in a debate, I'll just say that I really disagree with what seems to be your outlook on this and will move along.

Well,I asked for clarification,if nothing else,since the post you quoted didn't seem to betray this "ignorance" you are implying.

I said that I don't believe in quota filling and that in the cases of portraying different minorities "for the sake of the children" was a poor reason for it.It gives a sense that you have to identify with a character based on race before anything else.And I don't think that's the way kids should identify with their heroes in such a superficial way.

I mean,giving an example from my own life,Mr T was a big childhood hero of mine.I had a big poster of him on my wall and everything.His race never factored into the equation of why I liked him.That's the way it is with kids (and frankly the way it should be with everybody), so that's why I reject the "It's for the children" excuse.Kids will identify with any hero,if said hero is (hopefully) worthy of the admiration.

 

[Bam-Bam]

Well,I asked for clarification,if nothing else,since the post you quoted didn't seem to betray this "ignorance" you are implying.

I said that I don't believe in quota filling and that in the cases of portraying different minorities "for the sake of the children" was a poor reason for it.It gives a sense that you have to identify with a character based on race before anything else.And I don't think that's the way kids should identify with their heroes in such a superficial way.

I mean,giving an example from my own life,Mr T was a big childhood hero of mine.I had a big poster of him on my wall and everything.His race never factored into the equation of why I liked him.That's the way it is with kids (and frankly the way it should be with everybody), so that's why I reject the "It's for the children" excuse.Kids will identify with any hero,if said hero is (hopefully) worthy of the admiration.

Kids notice skin color, whether you like to believe that or not, it's true. I noticed it when I was a kid and thought it was weird how very few of the superheroes looked like me. That didn't stop me from loving the countless white heroes, but I did take notice.

The American population is way more diverse than it was in the 40's and 50's when these characters were created, so what's wrong with the Justice League of America accurately depicting this modern diversity of today? Spread the wealth for the kids sake is all I'm asking for.

 

[Rorschach2012]

For me race doesn't enter into the equation. The team i want is based on which characters I like, not based on which characters could provide the most diversity.

 

[The Batman]

Show me where someone implied this...

Its the Hype...where people love misinterpreting your post, and then get offended over it.

 

[Human Torch]

For me race doesn't enter into the equation. The team i want is based on which characters I like, not based on which characters could provide the most diversity.

And that's as it should be.

 

[lc23]

Oh, look it's the same old BS cycle of someone spewing some skeevy/borderline crap and when people jump into say it's not cool, it's their faults rather than the original offender.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Hal is my favorite Green Lantern, and Geoff Johns GL run is my favorite piece of Green Lantern media, but I would be okay with some other Green Lanterns being used in the movies..

John was awesome on Justice League TAS, but his origin would have to be changed for sure. John Stewart's personality may be a bit redundant on the team though. Aquaman and Batman have similarly gruff, no nonsense attitudes. There's not much good history behind John Stewart apart from Justice League TAS, so it'd be disappointing for a lot of Green Lantern fans if he was in the movies. But he was great in JLTAS, and if they play him that way and get a REALLY good actor, John can work. Just make him a bit of a Hal amalgamation, he needs Hal's relationship with Sinestro if they ever want to do a solo film.

Kyle is another amazing character that would be awesome to see. I'm rereading Morrison's JLA run, and I love Kyle and Wally's dynamic, and could totally see that working on film . There's a LOT of really good stuff out there with Kyle as the lead Green Lantern.

I also like Guy Gardner and his personality would be refreshing on the team, but I feel like he doesn't take things seriously enough. I think Hal, Kyle and John all work better as lead characters. Guy Gardner is really obnoxious, and that can be charming to some people and annoying to others. The key to making Guy Gardner work is casting an actor that can be a likable *****e.

 

[MrsKent26]

Show me where someone implied this...

Hal Jordan would make the most sense. This is a reboot of GL and he's the first human.


Plus we already have an African-American on the cast with Cyborg. No reason to include Stewart for diversity. Diversity is Stewart's best asset. The JS character is quite bland.

Hal has a better mythology to work from, and he's DC's current #1 GL.


My guess is we're getting the first New 52 JL Lineup.

Originally Posted by Alpha Flight
There is too much wrong with that idea. Elba is with Marvel. Rewriting JS with Hal's backstory is pointless. They are better off just doing Hal Jordan. We also already have Cyborg. So there isn't a reason to include John Stewart anymore.


Originally Posted by Alpha Flight
Yeah. It's true. It's not like John Stewart brings anything to the table above Hal beyond diversity. Hal has a larger mythos around him and is the most iconic Green Lantern. He's also the one that DC is currently pushing as their main man. With the diversity mandate already met, there's nothing that John Stewart could potentially bring to the table that Hal Jordan could not.

We've already got our diversity.

 

[Zionite1]

How about John with Hals personality?

 

[The Endless]

Nooooo... the whole reason people want John is because they want his personality, not Hal's. Otherwise yea, then the whole reason of choosing him would be simply for diversity.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Nooooo... the whole reason people want John is because they want his personality, not Hal's. Otherwise yea, then the whole reason of choosing him would be simply for diversity.

I think it's probably both of those reasons.

 

[Zionite1]

Nooooo... the whole reason people want John is because they want his personality, not Hal's. Otherwise yea, then the whole reason of choosing him would be simply for diversity.

I actually want him because of his soldier background.

 

[Rorschach2012]

It seems Winter Soldier and Alpha Flight are both Hal fans and don't believe John Stewart brings anything more to the table aside from diversity.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I actually want him because of his soldier background.

Have you seen/read Hal in Justice League: The New Frontier?