Which Villains need a major revamp?

Nearly all of spiderman's villians can be SO much more to the Marvel universe as a whole.

Apocolyspe should be made into a much bigger threat also.
 
Darthphere said:
Count Nefaria, he has so much potential.
agreed, also agree with Mandarian, I think Gravitan (misspelled I think) needs to be a real threat again. And I know it's not a revamp but Juggernaut needs to be Juggernaut again.
 
PaleRider said:
agreed, also agree with Mandarian, I think Gravitan (misspelled I think) needs to be a real threat again. And I know it's not a revamp but Juggernaut needs to be Juggernaut again.

Just once, I'd like to see some writer make reference to that vid that was floating around the net for awhile. lol
 
The Question said:
Hey, maybe he made it out of cheap parts. And maintains the suit by stealing the parts he needs. He is a theif, you know. Besides, his motive, while having to do with money, isn't because he's greedy. Way I see it, he had higher ambitions for himself, but his life just spyraled out of control.

If he made out of cheap parts then I doubt it be bullet proof, DD would have just punched through it the first time they met and its doubtful he can steal all the parts he needs to upgrade and maintain the suit. He's not a criminal mastermind like Dr. Octopus, in fact he is very bad criminal, so he would likely fail to obtain the parts he needs to maintain and upgrade his suit through theft, DD would just beat him up before he could steal the needed parts and he would have tro pay for them in the end. There is no way should be able to make money as crimninal, which is Day becomming a crimnal again makes no sense.
 
Which is why an exploration of the events that lead to him becoming a criminal could be quite interesting. And, just because it's made of cheap parts doesn't mean it douldn't be bullet proof. He could have happened upon some old armored car and scrapped it for metal platting. Also, he doesn't have to be a criminal mastermind to steal parts so he can maintain his suit. All he needs to do is steal from electronic stores and junk yards.
 
Kid Omega. For an Omega level mutant, he certainly went down like a little *****.
 
Also, I agree with Darthphere. He is, in a nutshell, Lex Luthor in Superman's body. That's just ****ing badass. He's stood his ground in unarmed combat against Thor. He should, right now, be the Cappi Di Tutti Cappi of all the mobs in Europe. Not kissing the Kingpin's ass and spending all of his time in jail.
 
The Question said:
Which is why an exploration of the events that lead to him becoming a criminal could be quite interesting. And, just because it's made of cheap parts doesn't mean it douldn't be bullet proof. He could have happened upon some old armored car and scrapped it for metal platting. Also, he doesn't have to be a criminal mastermind to steal parts so he can maintain his suit. All he needs to do is steal from electronic stores and junk yards.

The Stilt-Man armour is based off a hydraulic ram design invented by Day's employer, Carl Kaxton. Hydraulic equipment is very expensive, not the kind of stuff that is found laying as junk year. Frankly I'm surprised Day was able to contiue his crimnal career after his first appearance. Kaxton would have legal title to the Stilt-Man, because it was based off his technology, after the trial, Kaxton could have easily gained ownership of it for himself and used to gain money legitimately. So the fact that Day still has the Stilt-Man armour makes no sense.
 
Yeah. That right there's a bother. I guess he probably just stole the parts to make a new one. I mean, sure, they're not easy to come by. Bu then, he's not shopping at Seven Eleven anyway. He's commiting theivery.
 
The Question said:
Also, I agree with Darthphere. He is, in a nutshell, Lex Luthor in Superman's body. That's just ****ing badass. He's stood his ground in unarmed combat against Thor. He should, right now, be the Cappi Di Tutti Cappi of all the mobs in Europe. Not kissing the Kingpin's ass and spending all of his time in jail.


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The Lumberjack said:
Why not have Stilt-Man just work for someone and they foot the bill?

Who would hire Stilt-Man, he's one of the most ineffective criminals ever. Kingpin and Justin Hammer would laugh him what of his office if he tried to work for them.
 
Just hire him for some simple thefts. Smash and grab jobs. Nothing overly complex.
 
I always give the same answers to these things, but what the heck:

Mac Gargan/The Scorpion: Four years ago (almost), I basically wrote a long (over 100 pages in WORD) fan-fiction depicting my revamped version of him and how much of a threat he could be to Spider-Man. He's spent too long as a raving mad lunatic who relies only on strength and a mechanical tail. He needs the cunning mind of a detective to match that. Combine the two and he could have been a rival to match the appeal of Venom.

Hydro-Man: My approach, which I did in my very first fan-fic (which I only have in printed form now) was to make him a sort of eco-terrorist, someone who wanted to "merge" with the entire ocean and make the world pay for polluting it. While this made him more dangerous and his imagination over his powers grew, he was still a thug who wouldn't care about the havoc he did to both land and seas to attain his goals. While he pretends to care about saving the ocean, he really just wants power and recognition. Given a boost, he could easily occupy a team of heroes.

Mandarin's Son: the Mandarin himself is dead, so the key to enhancing his legacy is doing something with his son. Why not take a cue with the LOTR? Maybe Mandarin's soul is inside the alien rings that his son now holds, and maybe he seems to want to help steer the boy in "his" direction. Not quite posession, but mentally influencing his son to do what he wants, like any father would. His rings allow him to be powerful enough to take on a team of heroes if applied properly. Mandarin always wanted conquest, but why do it like an idiot when you have a hypno-ring? The son takes the slow burn, which is harder to undo over time. Just influence the right people, make enough appearences, make the heroes unsure of who's the servant and who's the master.

Graviton: someone who's got a Magneto-level power and nothing to do with it.

Count Nefaria: As people said, he's essentially "Superman as a Mafia Grandfather". I've heard of many mobsters who bemoan, "if only I had my hands on him, I'd strangle him" or something. Nefaria can be boss and enforcer in one. And he's tough enough to fend off even the best line-up of Avengers. He escaped prison in the first issue of NA, now he needs to knock Kingpin off a peg. Here's a clue; TAKE OVER THOSE AREAS BETWEEN NEW YORK AND CALIFORNIA. Make a whole supervillian mafia where they literally divide states and major cities in those areas. By the time heroes sniff what's up, the roots in it are already hard to stop.

Shocker: I could see him leading a plucky band of the Masters of Evil. They're not after fighting the Avengers, just watching each other's backs to commit robberies here and there, sort of like Capt. Cold and the Rogues. Shocker's smart enough to cobble together weapons from prison-scrap; I sort of see him as being akin to Techno (from Thunderbolts), only maybe a few pegs down (which is still impressive). Shocker has a gimmick for sound/air currents, that's fine, he can keep that. A shrewd enemy who's after money instead of glory and knows when to cut his losses can be formidable. Just ask Taskmaster.
 
Dread said:
Count Nefaria: As people said, he's essentially "Superman as a Mafia Grandfather". I've heard of many mobsters who bemoan, "if only I had my hands on him, I'd strangle him" or something. Nefaria can be boss and enforcer in one. And he's tough enough to fend off even the best line-up of Avengers. He escaped prison in the first issue of NA, now he needs to knock Kingpin off a peg. Here's a clue; TAKE OVER THOSE AREAS BETWEEN NEW YORK AND CALIFORNIA. Make a whole supervillian mafia where they literally divide states and major cities in those areas. By the time heroes sniff what's up, the roots in it are already hard to stop.

Hells yeah. Or better yet, take over the territory from the Maggia families in Europe. He understands their workings, being a former Maggia boss himself, and there's nowhere near the level of superhuman or vigilante activity in Europe as there is in the U.S.

Dread said:
Shocker: I could see him leading a plucky band of the Masters of Evil. They're not after fighting the Avengers, just watching each other's backs to commit robberies here and there, sort of like Capt. Cold and the Rogues. Shocker's smart enough to cobble together weapons from prison-scrap; I sort of see him as being akin to Techno (from Thunderbolts), only maybe a few pegs down (which is still impressive). Shocker has a gimmick for sound/air currents, that's fine, he can keep that. A shrewd enemy who's after money instead of glory and knows when to cut his losses can be formidable. Just ask Taskmaster.

Exactly. Also, I read this fanfic that explained that, based on how The Shocker's suit is supposed to wrok in the comics, he'd probably one of the most revolutionary scientific minds in the feilds of chemistry, electrical engineering, and sonic wave study. So, he would definately be a good technological resource. Also, a cool thing to do with him and his gang (They shouldn't be the Masters. That implies some sort of evil bond villain style take over the world plans.) would be to show that The Shocker, while a criminal, isn't that bad a guy. Like, they're on their way back to their hide out from a heist, and see that there's a building on fire. Herman orders the gang to go and help out.
 
The Question said:
Yeah. That right there's a bother. I guess he probably just stole the parts to make a new one. I mean, sure, they're not easy to come by. Bu then, he's not shopping at Seven Eleven anyway. He's commiting theivery.

He can't even rob a bank without DD comming along and kicking his butt, stealing hydraulic equipment is more difficult then stealing money, money is at least easy to transport, hydraulic equipment is not easy transport. Stilt-Man is a terrible thief, if he can't steal money, how is he going to steal hydraulic equipment? Hydraulic equipment would be well protected by the companies who build it.

All of that doesn't change fact that after Day went to jail the first time, Carl Kaxton should have legally take possession of the Stilt-Man armour, thus denying it to Day when he escaped or was released from prison. The Stilt-Man character just doesn't make sense.
 
The Overlord said:
He can't even rob a bank without DD comming along and kicking his butt, stealing hydraulic equipment is more difficult then stealing money, money is at least easy to transport, hydraulic equipment is not easy transport. Stilt-Man is a terrible thief, if he can't steal money, how is he going to steal hydraulic equipment? Hydraulic equipment would be well protected by the companies who build it.

Daredevil can't be everywhere. Day could steal the equipment he needs. or hell, he coukd simply steal the materials he needs and build the equipment himself.
 
The Question said:
Just hire him for some simple thefts. Smash and grab jobs. Nothing overly complex.

There are million different criminals, Rhino, Electro, Sandman, etc would are way better at smashing and grabbing then he is, they would be respected by crime lords. What does Stilt-Man have that oter criminals don't?
 
Nothing. But what's the point? He'd be hired for some simple thefts. Nothing major. Besides, Rhino is probably an expensive person to hire. Stilt Man wouldn't be. Especially for simple jobs.
 
Sandman is one of my favorite characters but his current situation needs some work. He turned over a new leaf and was accepted as a friend and cohort by Ben Grimm, the Avengers, Spider-man, and Silver Sable. He was trusted and trustworthy. Then suddenly, the Wizard makes him bad again and everyone just accepts it. The guys in trouble and the people he learned to count on have let him down. It reminds me of the Avengers treatment of Carol Danvers after Avengers 200. Whether Sandman reforms again or stays bad, I just think this needs to be addressed more.
 
The Question said:
Nothing. But what's the point? He'd be hired for some simple thefts. Nothing major. Besides, Rhino is probably an expensive person to hire. Stilt Man wouldn't be. Especially for simple jobs.

Stilt-Man would have go dirt cheap to get hired, considering he has a rep as total loser and they would make so little money he wouldn't make ends meet. Seriously he has no rep to go on and guys like Kingpin are willing to pay a little more if they want ensure the job gets done right and Stilt-Man doesn't have the abilities or the rep to warrant a good asking price. I mean after punked by DD 400 times, why should anyone believe he could do the job and I do mean punked, take a look at these defeats:
http://daredevil.dreamhost.com/ttstilts.htm

None of this explains why Kaxton didn't take legal possession of the Stilt-Man armour after Day got busted the first time.
 
You know, actually, I don't think Kaxton would have been able to take legal action. If Day built the suit himself based on Kaxton's designs, then they belong to him. As long as he didn't try to sell the suit or anything, he technically commited no crime in creating the suit.
 

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