Daredevil Which Villains should appear in this TV series?

[The Overlord]

Bushwacker's power is that he replaced his prosthetic limb with a gun.

How small do you think TV budgets are?

His arm transforms into a gun, that could be expensive, but they could work around that.

I hope Stilt-Man is at least referenced, and if he did appear he could be a villain that's beaten quickly at the beginning of the episode.

Again Stilt-Man is too expensive to be used as a joke villain in the beginning of an episode. The CGI needed to pull Silt-Man off would likely blow the budget for the show and there are other joke villains: Matadar, Leap-Frog or Turk, who could fill the same function, at a fraction of the cost. I think Wilbur Day could appear in some function, without his armor, perhaps an engineer or a white collar criminal, perhaps playing a small role in an episode, with DD investigating a mystery and Day being involved somehow. I think nowadays, Day could cause more damage as a white collar criminal then ever could as a public super villain and he was something of a white collar criminal in his first appearance. Day stealing and selling tech from his company would make him more dangerous then a public super villain.

 

[The Question]

His arm transforms into a gun, that could be expensive, but its likely doable or they could work around that.

Or they could just ditch the morphing effect and have it be an otherwise normal gun concealed inside an otherwise normal looking prosthetic. I mean, the important part is that he's a super bigoted hit man who literally incorporated a weapon into his body, not how high tech that weapon is.

 

[The Overlord]

Or they could just ditch the morphing effect and have it be an otherwise normal gun concealed inside an otherwise normal looking prosthetic. I mean, the important part is that he's a super bigoted hit man who literally incorporated a weapon into his body, not how high tech that weapon is.

That's true, that is why I said they could work around it. I like Bushwakcer well enough, its not a deal breaker if he doesn't appear, but he is an interesting contrast to Murdock in some ways. Murdock is somewhat relgious, so putting him against a holy roller who uses religion to justify his crimes is an interesting contrast and there has been some interesting stories with him, he had interesting story with Ben Urich in Daredevil Annual #5.

I think the difference between Bushwacker and Bullseye is, Bullseye has no moral code, Bushwacker has one, but it only makes sense to him, its not logically in any way. Some writers just write Bushwacker as a just a blood thristy psychopath, but that just makes a Bullseye clone, I think its more interesting where Bushwacker blood lust is justified through his beliefs, he is willing to rationalize things, while Bullseye could care less about such things.

 

[Gr0oT]

I hope it is as close to the following picture as possible.
Instead of busting the budget on morphing effects just have them use practical effects to make this arm and save the CG for when he fires it.

I understand the logic in him having a gun concealed within a regular prosthetic but it's just so lame.

 

[TheHeatKitchen]

If they got to use Kingpin, how would you guys feel about Kevin Durand for the role? I think he would be similar to Michael Clarke Duncon, just being a massive crime lord, not necessarily an invincible obese guy. He's very tall at 6'6", can bulk up and be a very formidable character.

And no, I wouldn't want him in another fat suit like X-Men Origins Wolverine.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Who knows what the deal is with the Kingpin rights? I'm guessing it's a Wanda/Pietro type deal

I can't imagine a Daredevil series without Kingpin. He's crucial. Hopefully Bullseye is in as well

 

[Hypestyle]

Hmm... When it comes to DD's silver-age villains, how would they look updated? Would some even translate at all? For example, the Ani-Men: how would you really put that together?

 

[3dman27]

that is a good question

 

[metaphysician]

I suspect for a lot of them, the answer is "you wouldn't". They'll probably focus on adapting his post-Miller rogues gallery.

 

[Dark Raven]

Gladiator is pre Miller but he would be great to have in the show. He's had a more silvery colour scheme and a more blue colour scheme so they have two different palettes to work with. I don't think he'd look campy at all and would be very memorable with those whirling wrist blades.

 

[The Overlord]

I suspect for a lot of them, the answer is "you wouldn't". They'll probably focus on adapting his post-Miller rogues gallery.

Well I think if this show lasts more then one season, I think you would need more then the 3 or 4 villains Miller focused on for an entire TV show.

Plus some pre Miller villains like Mr. Fear and Purple Man have been used to good effect recently. I think they are just as a good as some of the B-list villains that came after Miller's run, like Bushwacker or Bullet.

Plus Owl has gotten a few decent story lines recently and I think he would be an important part of a gang war story line. I think there some Silver Age DD villains who can fit in a post Miller DD world, not all of them were as lame as Stilt-Man.

Hmm... When it comes to DD's silver-age villains, how would they look updated? Would some even translate at all? For example, the Ani-Men: how would you really put that together?

Eh, the Ani-Men have not shown up in a long while in DD and really they were just generic goons, not very important to any major DD story, they really have not fit in a post Miller DD world very well. They might work in a DD series, but they have seriously reworked to fit in with the more crime noir feel DD has had since the 80s.

 

[Silvermoth]

I've got to be honest, it feels to me that the series is more lower budget, gritty crime series so I don't think we'll get guys like stilt man or ani men in the tv series

 

[The Overlord]

I've got to be honest, it feels to me that the series is more lower budget, gritty crime series so I don't think we'll get guys like stilt man or ani men in the tv series

I would assume that too, but I do think there are some Silver Age villains who could easily fit in that realm: Mr. Fear (Cranston), Purple Man (unless he is going to be exclusively on the Jessica Jones show), Owl and Gladiator, those are 4 that work best in a noir setting, anyone else from the Silver Age might not fit.

 

[The Question]

I don't think budget is the issue. I just think that they'll stick with Daredevil's main enemies, and really the inly members of his Rogue's gallery who've seriously mattered in a long while are Kingpin, Bullseye, Typhoid Mary, The Hand, and maybe sometimes The Owl. Gladiator too, but he rose to prominence around when he became an ally of Daredevil.

 

[TX85]

IF Bullseye is in I just hope he has his comic suit or singeing close to it!

 

[The Question]

IF Bullseye is in I just hope he has his comic suit or singeing close to it!

I had a notion about adapting Bullseye to live action as far as the costume goes. When we first meet Bullseye, he's just a normal looking hit man. He wears normal clothes, primarily dressing in black, like a black turtle neck with black denim jeans and dock martins, and he has very short hair or is bald. Even his MO is slightly more mundane. He's still an incredible marksman and is very good with any kind of ranged weaponry, including thrown weapons, he still primarily uses firearms. Then, he encounters Daredevil, and becomes completely obsessed with him. Over the course of his next few appearances, he becomes engrossed in playing the role of Daredevil's arch enemy, and slowly begins reinventing himself into a more traditional super villain, gradually adopting a costume closer to his traditional comic look and becoming more outlandish and extravagant in his choice of weapons and his choice of targets.

 

[Six]

Thats sounds like a good way to explain it.

 

[The Question]

Thats sounds like a good way to explain it.

It also just makes for a more engrossing narrative. Audiences, generally, are more likely to respond to a villain like Bullseye if we see him grow into that role and escalate in the depravity and absurdity of his crimes than meeting him fully formed. Escalating tension and whatnot.

If you're thinking long term, I think it would especially work over the course of multiple seasons. Like, Kingpin is the big bad of season one, and the more mundane starter version of Bullseye is his main henchman. Then, in season two, Kingpin takes a back seat (maybe Daredevil managed to get him arrested on some lesser charge for a one or two year sentence) and Bullseye comes to the forefront as the main villain as he reinvents himself as a more cartoonish super villain to torment Daredevil.

 

[TX85]

Yeah that would work for me

 

[Six]

If they don't go with the spandex suit, they should at least end up giving him some sort of mask with the bullseye sign on it. Even if its a balaclava or something.

 

[Brutalitops]

I don't think budget is the issue. I just think that they'll stick with Daredevil's main enemies, and really the inly members of his Rogue's gallery who've seriously mattered in a long while are Kingpin, Bullseye, Typhoid Mary, The Hand, and maybe sometimes The Owl. Gladiator too, but he rose to prominence around when he became an ally of Daredevil.

The Purple Man and Mister Fear should be included. And Owl is definitely considered part of Daredevil's traditional Rogue's Gallery who matter. If written correctly, he is a scary dude.

Daredevil's Rogue's Gallery, while not as deep as Spider-Man or Batman, is still fairly good:

Kingpin, Bullseye, Typhoid Mary, The Hand, The Owl, Mister Fear, The Purple Man, Death-Stalker, Gladiator, and Bushwacker (and of course Stilt-Man, but no one takes him seriously).

Any of those done right could be a good villain or two for the series. None of the, except Bushwacker, would need crazy special effects.

 

[The Overlord]

I don't think budget is the issue. I just think that they'll stick with Daredevil's main enemies, and really the inly members of his Rogue's gallery who've seriously mattered in a long while are Kingpin, Bullseye, Typhoid Mary, The Hand, and maybe sometimes The Owl. Gladiator too, but he rose to prominence around when he became an ally of Daredevil.

I'm not sure about that, back in 2008 Mister Fear got a storyline where he drove both the reformed Gladiator and DD's wife Milla insane, that seems like an important event that didn't involve the Miller rogues gallery.

Plus there is no reason why Kingpin can't used hired guns besides Bullseye and Typhoid Mary, I think Bullet is alright merc villain.

 

[Six]

Anyone else think Walton Goggins could make a good Bullseye?

 

[Hypestyle]

I think Goggins would make a good Jester. Hmm..

 

[Six]

Lol I doubt they're going to use Jester. But Walton Goggins would make a great addition to the show in a number of roles. Possibly even Jessica Jones.