White House threatened to destroy banks reputation?

It's an empty threat. The banks don't have good reputations to begin with. That is if this threat allegedly happened. He should be able to sue Rattner in court if he wants to over it.
What states rights and bankruptcy laws has Obama broken? Doesn't Obama have to wait for the Patriot Act to run for x amount for years before he can scrap it? NK is a problem he can't solve on his own. America can't tick off Russia and China since they veto any action against NK IIRC. That's where the blame lies.
 
Only Russia has Veto power. Not China.
 
Yep, anyone who fought the Axis during WWII got a permanent seat and veto power.

I personally think it is time the US pulls out of the UN. The rules have made it an impotent organization. If the US pulled out in order to start a new organization, the UK (and possibly Japan and Israel) would follow. Once the US and UK are out, the UN will lose most of its money to give relief to smaller members and they will join. Once that happens, countries like France, Germany, Russia, and China would begrudgingly disband the UN and join the new organization with new rules and bylaws that makes the organization actually able to act when it is needed and keeps countries from blocking action for political reasons. Of course, our president is more concerned about being loved than being effective, so I won't hold my breath.
 
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On a lighter note, the Jean-Claude Van Damme Street Fighter movie predicted years ago just how weak the UN would be when standing against third world dictators with WMDs. Street Fighter: The Movie, crappy D-flick or ahead of its time political commentary? :cwink:

Where is Colonel Guile when we need him? :csad:
 
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It's an empty threat. The banks don't have good reputations to begin with. That is if this threat allegedly happened. He should be able to sue Rattner in court if he wants to over it.
It is not an empty threat. Just because the financial institutions don't have a good reputation right now, doesn't make it a valid excuse like you make it out to be. Just because the financial sector doesn't have a good reputation, doesn't mean that people can just ignore it. We all have to go to banks. By demonizing this bank, people would stop going to it and put their money somewhere else, preferably a bank that has allowed Obama to do what he wanted. And with less people going to this bank, especially one that might be on shaky ground, it could destroy it.

This is essentially holding someone at gun point to force them to do something. Coercion like this is against the law and an abuse of executive power.

Of course I pretty much told you this, but you pretty much ignored it completely and still go off saying how banks already have a poor reputation.

What states rights
By forcing the states that did not want stimulus money. He doesn't support states rights when it comes to abortion laws. The Constitution allows the states certain levels of soverignity and Obama ignores that clause of the Constitution.

and bankruptcy laws has Obama broken?
The government run Chrysler bankruptcy plan violates bankruptcy law. Under bankruptcy law certain groups that Chrysler owes money to get paid first. These are the people, groups, and banks that lended Chrysler money. They are supposed to get paid first so they can get their money back. However, under Obama's plan, the UAW is getting paid first and foremost. Granted that Chrysler also owes the UAW money under agreements they have made with the union for health care, pensions, salaries, and whatnot, but the people who gave money to Chrysler are legally entitled to be paid before the UAW, let alone simply being legally entitled to the money they lent Chrysler.

Now, it's very uncertain if the lenders will get all their money back and now we have a rumor that Obama coerced a bank into his plan.

Doesn't Obama have to wait for the Patriot Act to run for x amount for years before he can scrap it?
No, the National Security Agency is a part of the Department of Defense which is an executive department meaning that if he wanted to, he can end it because he's in charge of it. It's just like how the Bush Administration made a deal with the Iraqi government to remain until the end of 2011, but the Obama Administration pushed that ahead several months because he is in charge of the military.

NK is a problem he can't solve on his own. America can't tick off Russia and China since they veto any action against NK IIRC. That's where the blame lies.
Obama could have still ordered the missile to be shot down in international waters on the grounds that the missile test clearly violated international law and he was enforcing it. The United States is not subservient to the United Nations and there are far more pressing issues in Russo-American and Sino-American relations than North Korea. At worst, all they would have done was a wagging of the finger in public while in private most likely supporting the missile being shot down because the Chinese government really doesn't like North Korea in private.
 
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Yep, anyone who fought the Axis during WWII got a permanent seat and veto power.

I personally think it is time the US pulls out of the UN. The rules have made it an impotent organization. If the US pulled out in order to start a new organization, the UK (and possibly Japan and Israel) would follow. Once the US and UK are out, the UN will lose most of its money to give relief to smaller members and they will join. Once that happens, countries like France, Germany, Russia, and China would begrudgingly disband the UN and join the new organization with new rules and bylaws that makes the organization actually able to act when it is needed and keeps countries from blocking action for political reasons. Of course, our president is more concerned about being loved than being effective, so I won't hold my breath.

The United Nations doesn't need disbandment, it needs reforming. It needs to get rid of veto power of the Permanent Members and include the G4 nations as Permanent Members. It needs stricter guidelines to enforce international law so that North Korea cannot just do whatever it wants. It needs to no longer allow the pettiness of the Permanent Members to not let anything happen. And it needs to clamp down on corruption so we don't get another Iraq incident.
 
For that to happen the permanent members would have to agree to reform, which won't happen. Thus the need for disbandment.
 
For that to happen the permanent members would have to agree to reform, which won't happen. Thus the need for disbandment.
In my opinion, France and the United Kingdom would be fairly easy to convince for reform. And under the Obama Administration, it would be easy to convince the United States for sensible reform (not the stuff that the Bush Administration was pushing).

The Permanent Members I think that would be more hesitant on reform are Russia and China. Russia which is under Putin's leadership, who is the undisputed Biggest ******* World Leader now that Bush is gone, and China because they have gained a lot of clout over the past two decades.
 
For that to happen the permanent members would have to agree to reform, which won't happen. Thus the need for disbandment.

Bingo. In an ideal world you would just reform the government. But like the Articles of Confederation, it's own structure makes salvation impossible.
 
In my opinion, France and the United Kingdom would be fairly easy to convince for reform. And under the Obama Administration, it would be easy to convince the United States for sensible reform (not the stuff that the Bush Administration was pushing).

The Permanent Members I think that would be more hesitant on reform are Russia and China. Russia which is under Putin's leadership, who is the undisputed Biggest ******* World Leader now that Bush is gone, and China because they have gained a lot of clout over the past two decades.

You say "hesitant" as if they would actually consider it. Why would they willingly give up power? Does Putin really seem like the type to place a higher value on "what's best for the word" over his own interests?
 
You say "hesitant" as if they would actually consider it. Why would they willingly give up power? Does Putin really seem like the type to place a higher value on "what's best for the word" over his own interests?

Hesitant was a polite way of saying [Will Smith]Ah hell naw[/Will Smith].

China isn't going to want to change the system because they have really benefited from it by gaining clout in Africa, Southeast Asia, and the Middle East by supporting tyrannic, despotic, and murderous regimes. And Putin only sees the world through the eyes of Russian interests.
 
Hesitant was a polite way of saying [Will Smith]Ah hell naw[/Will Smith].

China isn't going to want to change the system because they have really benefited from it by gaining clout in Africa, Southeast Asia, and the Middle East by supporting tyrannic, despotic, and murderous regimes. And Putin only sees the world through the eyes of Russian interests.

So you admit that the UN can't be fixed? Or at least, can't be fixed in the foreseeable future?
 
Hesitant was a polite way of saying [Will Smith]Ah hell naw[/Will Smith].

China isn't going to want to change the system because they have really benefited from it by gaining clout in Africa, Southeast Asia, and the Middle East by supporting tyrannic, despotic, and murderous regimes. And Putin only sees the world through the eyes of Russian interests.

Which is once again, why I am starting to support this solution:

Yep, anyone who fought the Axis during WWII got a permanent seat and veto power.

I personally think it is time the US pulls out of the UN. The rules have made it an impotent organization. If the US pulled out in order to start a new organization, the UK (and possibly Japan and Israel) would follow. Once the US and UK are out, the UN will lose most of its money to give relief to smaller members and they will join. Once that happens, countries like France, Germany, Russia, and China would begrudgingly disband the UN and join the new organization with new rules and bylaws that makes the organization actually able to act when it is needed and keeps countries from blocking action for political reasons. Of course, our president is more concerned about being loved than being effective, so I won't hold my breath.

And would just like to point this out once more for kicks :oldrazz:

On a lighter note, the Jean-Claude Van Damme Street Fighter movie predicted years ago just how weak the UN would be when standing against third world dictators with WMDs. Street Fighter: The Movie, crappy D-flick or ahead of its time political commentary? :cwink:

Where is Colonel Guile when we need him? :csad:
 
So you admit that the UN can't be fixed? Or at least, can't be fixed in the foreseeable future?

I think it can be fixed eventually, but I do admit that for the foreseeable future, no it can't because of Russia and China.
 
I think it can be fixed eventually, but I do admit that for the foreseeable future, no it can't because of Russia and China.

So then why won't you support leaving the UN? If you admit it's competency, and you admit it won't be fixed soon...why support it?
 
So then why won't you support leaving the UN? If you admit it's competency, and you admit it won't be fixed soon...why support it?

Out of principle that it can be reformed eventually and I think that the United States would lose a lot of international clout because I don't think that the United Nations would collapse with the United States leaving.
 
If we could convince the UK and Japan to come with us, there is a good chance it would.
 
I really don't see them leaving though. Especially Japan.
 
Out of principle that it can be reformed eventually and I think that the United States would lose a lot of international clout because I don't think that the United Nations would collapse with the United States leaving.

But we are paying them BILLIONS of Dollars! Worse let, we are allowing the UN to dictate what we can do in defense of our country! If we can agree that it's useless, then we can admit that the money we give to the UN can be put to better use other places. America wouldn't lose a lot of international clout with anyone, because everyone knows what a joke it is.

Whether the UN can exist or not with America out of it is irrelevant.
 
....... I don't think that the United Nations would collapse with the United States leaving.

Oh Reginald,.............. I Disagree!!
I don't think they could sustain that kind of loss of funding. In reaction they'd demand more from member nations who, unwilling to pay and see the example the US set, would be more likely to exit, stage left.
 
Oh Reginald,.............. I Disagree!!
I don't think they could sustain that kind of loss of funding. In reaction they'd demand more from member nations who, unwilling to pay and see the example the US set, would be more likely to exit, stage left.

I think that the United Nations can handle it because of China and the willingness of nations like Japan to give a lot of money to UN causes and whatnot.
 

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