Who Can Lift Mjolnir By Their Own Power?

[rodhulk]

You have a limited amagination.Why does AUA Thor's reaction or shock to AUA Hulk lifting of the hammer have to imply that there must have been an enchantment because if there wasnt one he shouldnt have been surprised by him lifting????
It could be that even with out the enchantment that the Hammer was so heavy that no one else in this Thor's history [and who knows how long that is in this universe] has ever been strong enough to lift it.You neen to open up your mind to other posiblities and other reasons for why things are the way they seem to be......your stuck on just two way at looking at things.

Are you really this stupid?

I NEVER said it was the same enchantment! I simply asked if it was or if it wasn't! And if possible, give your answer with some source from Marvel!

Plus, what you said above was only your thoughts, and only that!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm asking a simple question on something? How is that stupid?

I never said you or your question were your stupid, just the notion of someone overcoming a magic enchantment with brute strength.

 

[rodhulk]

....which is why I asked my original question to Dan.

 

[CBG]

Even if the enchantment is the same type, it's hard to say whether it's effect is of the same degree, since characters vary in power with their other selves across the Marvel multiverse.

 

[Jplaya2023]

Batman wouldn't be able to lift it. Too dark.

and what would superman be the man who has on multiple occassions though of taking over the world, only to stop after he would be killed instantly by batman

 

[Jplaya2023]

Where the hell did you get that idea?????????Batmans to paranoid and Spiderman is to needy.Batmans not even willing to kill.A Viking god has no problem with killing.Batman is also to underhanded.....willing to cheet to win a fight.Thats why hes my fav.

lol @ batman being paranoid.

I wouldn't call being extra careful paranoid. I call it smart

 

[CBG]

and what would superman be the man who has on multiple occassions though of taking over the world,

And can you list said issues where Superman thought it?

Whereas Batman created the Brother I satellite, and indirectly caused numerous deaths.

only to stop after he would be killed instantly by batman

Pity that the last time they tango'd, Batman was the one near death. Superman/Wonder Woman: Sacrifice arc. Do more reading.

lol @ batman being paranoid.

I wouldn't call being extra careful paranoid. I call it smart

His paranoia was justified in Identity Crisis. And then it spiralled into the OMAC Project.

 

[Jplaya2023]

In batman's eyes indirectly causing a few deaths ( as you claim) is nothing compared to the damage a rogue superman, wonderwoman, flash, marvin the martian could do etc..

 

[CBG]

In batman's eyes indirectly causing a few deaths ( as you claim) is nothing compared to the damage a rogue superman, wonderwoman, flash, marvin the martian could do etc..

If you think Batman would accept any death at all, then you are no true fan to the character.

Look at how he reacted to Wonder Woman killing Maxwell Lord. Despite Superman being under Lord's utter telepathic control, he refused to trade Lord's life for Superman's freedom, which Wonder Woman did.

And for a fact, Batman created the Brother I satellite out of his mistrust with the League for mindwiping him. If he didn't create the satellite, numerous Amazons, heroes, and villains wouldn't have died in OMAC Project and Infinite Crisis. Do your reading.

 

[Jplaya2023]

If you think Batman would accept any death at all, then you are no true fan to the character.

Look at how he reacted to Wonder Woman killing Maxwell Lord. Despite Superman being under Lord's utter telepathic control, he refused to trade Lord's life for Superman's freedom, which Wonder Woman did.

And for a fact, Batman created the Brother I satellite out of his mistrust with the League for mindwiping him. If he didn't create the satellite, numerous Amazons, heroes, and villains wouldn't have died in OMAC Project and Infinite Crisis. Do your reading.

comic book stores are dead

provide a lnk

 

[BrianWilly]

Some days I just have no patience for any kind of Hulk ******itude. This is one of those days.

So I guess you're the final word on everything then!

Until Marvel confirm, you DON'T know!

Can you give a single reason for why it would be the same enchantment other than the fact that you really really want it to be so?

The characters are different. The universe is different. The continuity is different. The storylines are completely separate from the comics. The enchantment itself behaved diffferently from in the comics. This is not speculation, this is a completely objective look at the circumstances. With all that considered, it would be completely irrational to believe that the enchantment works the same as it does from the comics.

And even if one of the filmmakers straight up and said "Yeah, it is the same enchantment," guess what? It still wouldn't mean jack sht to the comics because they're not writing the comics, and nothing from that movie would affect or depict anything from the comics unless someone writing the comics says that it does.

There's your speculation.

I NEVER said it was the same enchantment! I simply asked if it was or if it wasn't! And if possible, give your answer with some source from Marvel!

And apparently the only answer you're willing to accept is that is the same enchantment. Every other answer is just speculation, right?

Why would Slott's view on this be any more valid than anyone else's? Last I checked, he had nothing to do with that movie. People have answered you perfectly well; just because you don't like the answers doesn't change that fact.

 

[CBG]

comic book stores are dead

Then don't talk big.

provide a lnk

A scanned issue? 1) I don't have a scanner and 2) You don't have the actual issue. Download comics to backup the copies you already have.

Last time they tango'd was

Superman/Wonder Woman: Sacrifice Part 2 (Action Comics #829) and 3 (Adventures of Superman #642).

If you want, I can provide descriptions of the text boxes and bubbles, as well as the panel art depicted.

Funny how you have yet to provide an issue where Superman thought of taking over the world.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Are you really this stupid?

I NEVER said it was the same enchantment! I simply asked if it was or if it wasn't! And if possible, give your answer with some source from Marvel!

Plus, what you said above was only your thoughts, and only that!

Your calling me stupid?????
Your were the one that ASSUMED that if Thor was surprised by Hulk's lifting of the hammer ment that there must be an enchantment on it wether it was the same one or an other makes no difference.Why would Thors reaction indicate to you that there must be an enchament on the hammer at all....
You began this line of questioning with the statment that I'll qoute.....

This has been debated numerous times, but the Hulk in the ULTIMATE AVENGERS movie lifted mjolnir. Nobody seems to know if mjolnir had the same enchantment as in the 616 universe. Thor even seemed surprised in the movie when Hulk lifted it. Any thoughts?

And then you stated...again I quote...


"And when Hulk lifted mjolnir, Thor was ALL SURPRISED at this. This has to imply that there was an enchantment else Hulk could have lifted it w/o any problem and Thor wouldn't have been all surprised.."



Why would you assume that it ment that there was an enchantment????To me thats stupid.Its stupid to assume any thing when it comes to a movie based on a comic book that is in its self a altered version of the original.Since that animated Ultimate Marvel Universe really hasnt been explored yet there's no telling how many differences or simularties we will see if they continue to make movies based on that universe.

What is stupid is that you Assumed any thing....and you know what they say about people that Assume dont you.

You ask us for our thoughts but then you call me stupid for provideing you with mine........Your a real @$$........It seams that you wont be happy unless some one gives you the answers you want to hear.Why bother asking for our thoughts if your only going to but people down when they give them to you????

 

[Fantasyartist]

Oh, definitely Captain America( or the late Captain America)-if he isn't morally upright enough to lift Mjolnir, then NOBODY else is( not even the Hulk or Hercules can lift Thor's hammer- of course the Hulk doesn't need to and Hercules has his own mace!)

Terry

 

[Doc Destruction]

Of course, it's very difficult to lift things from the grave

 

[rodhulk]

Some days I just have no patience for any kind of Hulk ******itude. This is one of those days.

Can you give a single reason for why it would be the same enchantment other than the fact that you really really want it to be so?

The characters are different. The universe is different. The continuity is different. The storylines are completely separate from the comics. The enchantment itself behaved diffferently from in the comics. This is not speculation, this is a completely objective look at the circumstances. With all that considered, it would be completely irrational to believe that the enchantment works the same as it does from the comics.

And even if one of the filmmakers straight up and said "Yeah, it is the same enchantment," guess what? It still wouldn't mean jack sht to the comics because they're not writing the comics, and nothing from that movie would affect or depict anything from the comics unless someone writing the comics says that it does.

There's your speculation.

And apparently the only answer you're willing to accept is that is the same enchantment. Every other answer is just speculation, right?

Why would Slott's view on this be any more valid than anyone else's? Last I checked, he had nothing to do with that movie. People have answered you perfectly well; just because you don't like the answers doesn't change that fact.

Just to show you how stupid you really are, in the same way you accuse me of having this Hulk ******itude, you have the exact SAME attitude, but in opposition to me. Now, think about that!

Once again, I NEVER said it was the same enchantment nor did I say I wanted it to be. You see, that's just your SPECULATION on me.

You still haven't seen the movie so you can't say on whether it's the same enchantment. You're just going by the comics.

 

[rodhulk]

Your calling me stupid?????
Your were the one that ASSUMED that if Thor was surprised by Hulk's lifting of the hammer ment that there must be an enchantment on it wether it was the same one or an other makes no difference.Why would Thors reaction indicate to you that there must be an enchament on the hammer at all....
You began this line of questioning with the statment that I'll qoute.....

This has been debated numerous times, but the Hulk in the ULTIMATE AVENGERS movie lifted mjolnir. Nobody seems to know if mjolnir had the same enchantment as in the 616 universe. Thor even seemed surprised in the movie when Hulk lifted it. Any thoughts?

And then you stated...again I quote...


"And when Hulk lifted mjolnir, Thor was ALL SURPRISED at this. This has to imply that there was an enchantment else Hulk could have lifted it w/o any problem and Thor wouldn't have been all surprised.."



Why would you assume that it ment that there was an enchantment????To me thats stupid.Its stupid to assume any thing when it comes to a movie based on a comic book that is in its self a altered version of the original.Since that animated Ultimate Marvel Universe really hasnt been explored yet there's no telling how many differences or simularties we will see if they continue to make movies based on that universe.

What is stupid is that you Assumed any thing....and you know what they say about people that Assume dont you.

You ask us for our thoughts but then you call me stupid for provideing you with mine........Your a real @$$........It seams that you wont be happy unless some one gives you the answers you want to hear.Why bother asking for our thoughts if your only going to but people down when they give them to you????

Yes, you are stupid because if you read correctly, I said there has to be an enchantment due to Hulk having trouble lifting it and Thor's surprise at Hulk accomplishing this feat. I NEVER said it was the SAME ENCHANTMENT as in the comics.


All I want to KNOW is if it's the same enchantment or not. Read this next part carefully, IMHO, I don't think it is the same enchantment just as Corp said above, which is why I asked the question in the first place, because strength alone has never been able to lift it nor probably can. Therfore, I'm just curious on the topic. But you guys are judging me simply because I have HULK in my username. So, you're ASSUMING I want Hulk to lift it because of a fanboy attitude, well, you know what they say about people who ASSUME......

However, what is wrong with me asking? Such a simple question and yet guys like you have to run wild with it!



And I only called you stupid since you were a little ignorant in your wording to me in one of your relies to me. So, if you can dish it, be ready to take it.

 

[rodhulk]

Oh, definitely Captain America( or the late Captain America)-if he isn't morally upright enough to lift Mjolnir, then NOBODY else is( not even the Hulk or Hercules can lift Thor's hammer- of course the Hulk doesn't need to and Hercules has his own mace!)

Terry

I'm not a big fan of CA, but I do recall reading that he may not even be dead and some new story in the future will reveal this when they bring him back?

 

[CBG]

It's Marvel Comics. No popular character will stay dead for long, especially someone like Captain America. Fans estimate that Steve will return in time for his movie.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Yes, you are stupid because if you read correctly, I said there has to be an enchantment due to Hulk having trouble lifting it and Thor's surprise at Hulk accomplishing this feat. I NEVER said it was the SAME ENCHANTMENT as in the comics.


All I want to KNOW is if it's the same enchantment or not. Read this next part carefully, IMHO, I don't think it is the same enchantment just as Corp said above, which is why I asked the question in the first place, because strength alone has never been able to lift it nor probably can. Therfore, I'm just curious on the topic. But you guys are judging me simply because I have HULK in my username. So, you're ASSUMING I want Hulk to lift it because of a fanboy attitude, well, you know what they say about people who ASSUME......

However, what is wrong with me asking? Such a simple question and yet guys like you have to run wild with it!



And I only called you stupid since you were a little ignorant in your wording to me in one of your relies to me. So, if you can dish it, be ready to take it.

I'm not judging you at all.....and I dont see how my reply to you before you called me stupid can be considered "ignorant" or "stupid".Maybe you got me mixed up with someone else or maybe your so used to conflict with others that you view any honest critism as an attack.You ended you first question asking us for our thoughts didnt you?????Here let me refresh you memory on our post on this topic:

Originally Posted by rodhulk
This has been debated numerous times, but the Hulk in the ULTIMATE AVENGERS movie lifted mjolnir. Nobody seems to know if mjolnir had the same enchantment as in the 616 universe. Thor even seemed surprised in the movie when Hulk lifted it. Any thoughts?

then

Originally Posted by rodhulk
This still didn't answer the question? The poster I quoted above, Dan Slot, said Hulk (any universe version was implied, I'm sure) never lifted mjolnir. Yet the movie showed Hulk STRUGGLING to lift mjolnir. And when Hulk lifted mjolnir, Thor was ALL SURPRISED at this. This has to imply that there was an enchantment else Hulk could have lifted it w/o any problem and Thor wouldn't have been all surprised.
Now, I do not consider the Ultimate Hulk to be the 'ultimate' version of the Hulk as this seems to belong to WWH, but still, did Hulk lift mjolnir with the Odin enchantment? If it wasn't the same enchantment, then what was the enchantment? And do we even know if it was the same enchantment as in the comics or not? I don't recall reading this anywhere.

my reply:

Originally Posted by sto_vo_kor_2000
You have a limited amagination.Why does AUA Thor's reaction or shock to AUA Hulk lifting of the hammer have to imply that there must have been an enchantment because if there wasnt one he shouldnt have been surprised by him lifting??
It could be that even with out the enchantment that the Hammer was so heavy that no one else in this Thor's history [and who knows how long that is in this universe] has ever been strong enough to lift it.You neen to open up your mind to other posiblities and other reasons for why things are the way they seem to be......your stuck on just two way at looking at things.

My statement still holds weight.....My point all alonge to you has not be to imply that you are saying that you said the the enchament on Ultimate Thors hammer is the same enchament that on the 616 counterpart......but to point out that your not thinking out of the box.
Why does there have to be any enchament at all????
Just because Hulk had trouble lifting it and Thors shocked reaction doesnt meen that there was an enchament....it may just be that U Thor has yet to meat anyone strong enought to lift it.There are more then enought differences between 616 Thor and U Tror [as well as the universe and every character in it as a whole] to make any assumpstion that U Thors hammer has any enchament at all a very unimiginative and limited way of thinking.
To begin with U Thor lost most of his powers when U Quicksilver removed his belt.When U Thor fought U Colossus he found him a match in strenght.....these are big differences then the 616 counterparts of Thor and Colossus.Theres no reason to believe that the Hammer that U Thor carries is the same Enchanted hammer named Mjolnir that the 616 Thor carries.And since there has been some rumer and some leeked art from the new Ultimates Book that shows U Thor with a hammer that more resembles its 616 counterpart I would hasered a guess that the mammer he had before was not the real Enchanted hammer Mjolnir but one made to mimic its powers much like the one givin to "Clor" of the 616 universe.I guess we'll have to wait till the book is released to find out.

 

[Vanguard07]

I think Hercules should be able to lift it. Anyone know if he's ever tried?

 

[Varient]

Here's a question that could only come from a comic geek:

If Thor were sitting in Space,.. and let go of the hammer -

What would happen?

Could Anyone not worthy move it from where he put it?

Would it stay in that point of space and be left behind by the motion of our solar system around the center of the Galaxy?

 

[rodhulk]

I'm not judging you at all.....and I dont see how my reply to you before you called me stupid can be considered "ignorant" or "stupid".Maybe you got me mixed up with someone else or maybe your so used to conflict with others that you view any honest critism as an attack.You ended you first question asking us for our thoughts didnt you?????Here let me refresh you memory on our post on this topic:

Originally Posted by rodhulk
This has been debated numerous times, but the Hulk in the ULTIMATE AVENGERS movie lifted mjolnir. Nobody seems to know if mjolnir had the same enchantment as in the 616 universe. Thor even seemed surprised in the movie when Hulk lifted it. Any thoughts?

then

Originally Posted by rodhulk
This still didn't answer the question? The poster I quoted above, Dan Slot, said Hulk (any universe version was implied, I'm sure) never lifted mjolnir. Yet the movie showed Hulk STRUGGLING to lift mjolnir. And when Hulk lifted mjolnir, Thor was ALL SURPRISED at this. This has to imply that there was an enchantment else Hulk could have lifted it w/o any problem and Thor wouldn't have been all surprised.
Now, I do not consider the Ultimate Hulk to be the 'ultimate' version of the Hulk as this seems to belong to WWH, but still, did Hulk lift mjolnir with the Odin enchantment? If it wasn't the same enchantment, then what was the enchantment? And do we even know if it was the same enchantment as in the comics or not? I don't recall reading this anywhere.

my reply:

Originally Posted by sto_vo_kor_2000
You have a limited amagination.Why does AUA Thor's reaction or shock to AUA Hulk lifting of the hammer have to imply that there must have been an enchantment because if there wasnt one he shouldnt have been surprised by him lifting??
It could be that even with out the enchantment that the Hammer was so heavy that no one else in this Thor's history [and who knows how long that is in this universe] has ever been strong enough to lift it.You neen to open up your mind to other posiblities and other reasons for why things are the way they seem to be......your stuck on just two way at looking at things.

My statement still holds weight.....My point all alonge to you has not be to imply that you are saying that you said the the enchament on Ultimate Thors hammer is the same enchament that on the 616 counterpart......but to point out that your not thinking out of the box.
Why does there have to be any enchament at all????
Just because Hulk had trouble lifting it and Thors shocked reaction doesnt meen that there was an enchament....it may just be that U Thor has yet to meat anyone strong enought to lift it.There are more then enought differences between 616 Thor and U Tror [as well as the universe and every character in it as a whole] to make any assumpstion that U Thors hammer has any enchament at all a very unimiginative and limited way of thinking.
To begin with U Thor lost most of his powers when U Quicksilver removed his belt.When U Thor fought U Colossus he found him a match in strenght.....these are big differences then the 616 counterparts of Thor and Colossus.Theres no reason to believe that the Hammer that U Thor carries is the same Enchanted hammer named Mjolnir that the 616 Thor carries.And since there has been some rumer and some leeked art from the new Ultimates Book that shows U Thor with a hammer that more resembles its 616 counterpart I would hasered a guess that the mammer he had before was not the real Enchanted hammer Mjolnir but one made to mimic its powers much like the one givin to "Clor" of the 616 universe.I guess we'll have to wait till the book is released to find out.

Well, let's forget about any name calling. I thought I was justified due to your response and I still stick to it, but let's move on.

My thinking that there must be an enchantment is 'one way of thinking' and a 'most appropriate one' based on who the character is and his weapon. In the movie, Thor does call his hammer MJOLNIR I believe at least once. And I'm basing all my thoughts from the movie, not the happenings in the comics. See where I'm going now?

If you really read what I'm asking, it's simply, 'is it the Odin enchantment that mjolnir has or not?' That simple. The movie really seemed to indicate an enchantment and I did doubt the 616 enchantment BTW, but still, it begged the question due to how the lifting occured.

If the answer was no (not the 616 enchantment), then I'm basically asking (and would ask if the poster didn't explain what it was), 'Is it still an enchantment or is it something else?'

Just to say it's really heavy is possible, but very doubtful. Some type of enchantment would be more likely and so I went with that in my question and expected a simple YES (saying what type of enchantment it was and a Marvel source), or a NO and if NO, then what was it (with a Marvel source).

 

[Vanguard07]

Simple answer: it would return to his hand. It's one of the other enchantments.

If for some reason it didn't return to his hand though it would act like any other free floating object. In the past it's been shown that it can be moved or dragged, just not lifted. In space moving it about isn't lifting it.

So in space you could probably wield it. You wouldn't have the power of Thor part though cause you wouldn't have met the "worthy" part but you could swing it about all you like.

There's also a chance that it would attach itself to some other random free floating object. like a satellite or shuttle or something. Acting like that other object is the ground and only someone worthy could separate the two.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Well, let's forget about any name calling. I thought I was justified due to your response and I still stick to it, but let's move on.

My thinking that there must be an enchantment is 'one way of thinking' and a 'most appropriate one' based on who the character is and his weapon. In the movie, Thor does call his hammer MJOLNIR I believe at least once. And I'm basing all my thoughts from the movie, not the happenings in the comics. See where I'm going now?

If you really read what I'm asking, it's simply, 'is it the Odin enchantment that mjolnir has or not?' That simple. The movie really seemed to indicate an enchantment and I did doubt the 616 enchantment BTW, but still, it begged the question due to how the lifting occured.

If the answer was no (not the 616 enchantment), then I'm basically asking (and would ask if the poster didn't explain what it was), 'Is it still an enchantment or is it something else?'

Just to say it's really heavy is possible, but very doubtful. Some type of enchantment would be more likely and so I went with that in my question and expected a simple YES (saying what type of enchantment it was and a Marvel source), or a NO and if NO, then what was it (with a Marvel source).

I agree that saying its just really heavy isnt likely but since they really havent gotten into just who or what Thor is in the Animated Ultimate Universe [other then a few of Thors statements] we wont know wether or not it has an enchament unless they do a new movie focusing on his character.