Who could beat the Silver Surfer?

[LouFerignoDemon]

I already know about the Surfer's powers I read enough of his comics.

Surfer could NOT turn Goku into a flower pot! He does NOT transmute Organic Matter (Living beings)! Besides he is a damn pacifist that is something he would never do. LOL! Goku does fight faster than the speed of sound, or maybe you missed when his punches connects they create shockwaves that tear up the enviornment. Yeah, Surfer is going to grab a Saiya-jin (who SPECIALIZES in super speed combat) and throw him into the sun when he can't even grab a slow purple monkey in Thanos.

So why would Goku totally and utterly crush the Silver Surfer?

That, and you kind of seem to think that the Surfer only specializes in extremely low speed, twenty five kilometers an hour, combat. Because, you know, that works exceedingly well when you're going against an entire planets military.

 

[SouLeSS]

I already know about the Surfer's powers I read enough of his comics.

Surfer could NOT turn Goku into a flower pot! He does NOT transmute Organic Matter (Living beings)! Besides he is a damn pacifist that is something he would never do. LOL! Goku does fight faster than the speed of sound, or maybe you missed when his punches connects they create shockwaves that tear up the enviornment. Yeah, Surfer is going to grab a Saiya-jin (who SPECIALIZES in super speed combat) and throw him into the sun when he can't even grab a slow purple monkey in Thanos.

Surfer transmutes the pigmint of plants to make them change colors, so you're automatically wrong.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Yeah, forgot to add that. He CAN transmute organic matter, since he transmutes subatomic matter. He just doesn't go about doing it.

 

[Warhammer]

Phenomenol, enough with this stuff.
You talked about Goku's "battle speed" forever in the Anime forum. When you have super speed, you essentially have everything fast. There is no such thing as faster "battle speed". The closest thing you have to that is enchanced senses that help you fight more efficiently. If you have super speed, your fighting is fast, too.

Just because you never saw SS fight as fast as Goku doesn't mean that he can't. He is already wayy faster than Goku.

Close thread.

 

[Son_of_W]

I already know about the Surfer's powers I read enough of his comics.

Surfer could NOT turn Goku into a flower pot! He does NOT transmute Organic Matter (Living beings)! Besides he is a damn pacifist that is something he would never do. LOL! Goku does fight faster than the speed of sound, or maybe you missed when his punches connects they create shockwaves that tear up the enviornment. Yeah, Surfer is going to grab a Saiya-jin (who SPECIALIZES in super speed combat) and throw him into the sun when he can't even grab a slow purple monkey in Thanos.

If you were aware of his powers, you'd realize, just by reading the one paragraph labelled powers on the website that SS could very well turn Goku into a flower pot.

And something you have to realize is that by punching faster then the speed of sound, he would create sonic booms. You don't think that creating so many sonic booms would not only be heard in something like the martial arts fighting tournaments, but is something that wouldn't go unnoticed in other battles, like when they taping the cell games? Also, the shockwaves are from the tremendous force and energy Goku exerts, not from surpassing the sound barrier. The erergy is simply transferred outward radially from the impact point, it's the same thing in explosions from missiles.

Anyways, Goku doesn't move that fast, but Surfer travels several times the speed of light. you don't think he could just pick Goku up and throw him through the sun. What about the fact that SS is virtually indestructible and has survived the destruction of numerous planets and worse?

I'm sorry, but Goku never stood a chance.

 

[Phenomenal]

You can't tell me his COMBAT speed is greater than Goku's becuase it is a SIN in Dragonball to get Whalloped by a character slower than you. SS has been knocked out by a brick sent at him by KARNAK the inhuman. He' been knocked out by the Thing,Thanos,millenius,Odin, the runner, Thor and loads more. He gets knocked out all the damn time. MIDNIGHT SUN: a MARTIAL ARTIST went toe to toe with the Surfer as well. His body is virtually indestructable but he still can be knocked unconcious.

Goku's punches create Shockwaves (which is a sonic boom) So yes, don't try and pull anything out of your cheeks."

 

[Silicon Surfer]

The Surfer getting knocked out by a brick is absurd or anything done by Karnak for that matter. Karnak is the guy who tried to hit the Hulks weak spot and barely got noticed. The Surfer on the other hand got hit by the Hulk and didn't pay attention.

 

[SouLeSS]

You can't tell me his COMBAT speed is greater than Goku's becuase it is a SIN in Dragonball to get Whalloped by a character slower than you. SS has been knocked out by a brick sent at him by KARNAK the inhuman. He' been knocked out by the Thing,Thanos,millenius,Odin, the runner, Thor and loads more. He gets knocked out all the damn time. MIDNIGHT SUN: a MARTIAL ARTIST went toe to toe with the Surfer as well. His body is virtually indestructable but he still can be knocked unconcious.

Goku's punches create Shockwaves (which is a sonic boom) So yes, don't try and pull anything out of your cheeks."

GOKU ALSO GOT HIS ASS KICKED BY YAMCHA, RADDITZ, VEGETA, SO ON AND SO FORTH -- SO SHUT UP ALREADY.

 

[Son_of_W]

You can't tell me his COMBAT speed is greater than Goku's becuase it is a SIN in Dragonball to get Whalloped by a character slower than you. SS has been knocked out by a brick sent at him by KARNAK the inhuman. He' been knocked out by the Thing,Thanos,millenius,Odin, the runner, Thor and loads more. He gets knocked out all the damn time. MIDNIGHT SUN: a MARTIAL ARTIST went toe to toe with the Surfer as well. His body is virtually indestructable but he still can be knocked unconcious.

Goku's punches create Shockwaves (which is a sonic boom) So yes, don't try and pull anything out of your cheeks."

A shockwave and a sonic boom are not even close to the same thing, and just you thinking they are shows an unbeleivable amount of ignorance.

A sonic boom is what is created when a small vacuum is created when an object displaces air from a space, which is only acheivable after surpassing the speed of sound. The boom is created when the air rushes in to the fill the void and claps together. This sound is also nearly unbearable to the human ear, and hearing it multiple times i actually dangerous lethally. A shockwave is a burst of energy or force, usually both, outwards. A shockwave can be generated from a sonic boom, but not vice versa, and they are certainly not one in the same. And the only time you get shockwaves are from Goku are when his fist connects with something. The sheer force he creates, which is amazing I'll give you that, is what generates the shockwaves and tremors on connection, but they do not generate sonic booms.

Also, note how most of the people you talk about knocking out the Silver Surfer are well above human in capability? Karnak can "see" the "pressure/weakness" point in all objects around him, which likely includes living beings, and then break that point so that the object shatters or breaks. The fact that he found such a point on SS and still good not truly kill him says something considering that Goku can still die from a punctured jugular vein without his precious senzu beans. The others you named are also well beyond Goku's abilities, either being gods or having the ability to lift atleast 90 tons of matter, or both in atleast one case . Goku can't, has never even been shown to, do something like that. Holy hell, Thanos was, and to an extent is, the most feared being in the universe, and you're complaining because he managed to knock out the Silver Surfer?

And as far as Midnight Sun, was DEFEATED BY SS, he didn't knock him out. Down, possible, out, NO. Unless you show me proof. And besides that fact, Midnight Sun was in a new cloned Body with all sorts of post-human abilities. PLus, even DBZ is subject to bad writing, look at DBGT.

Stop pulling stuff from the Dark abyss two feet below your head and actually make sense please! geez...

 

[KevanG]

You tell 'im Wiggles!

 

[Norkie]

You tell 'im Wiggles!

Dare I ask "Wiggles"?

So is that what the "W" in Son_Of_W means?

 

[KevanG]

Someone asked what the W stood for and Mistress Gluon suggested Wiggles. So I've just started calling him that.

 

[Norkie]

Oh I see.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Actually, that's just my nickname for him. And his ability to argue has dramatically increased. Far more than I expected of him. That's why "Wiggles."

 

[Horhey]

I guess the reason Im adament about SS4 Goku being able to defeat Silver Surfer is becouse I believe the creators of DBZ intended to create a character powerful enough to be capable of defeating any other sci-fi character. Thats just what it seems like from what Ive seen. And I dont even care about DBZ.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

The Silver Surfer was similarly started as a god like character meant to basically solve any problem given to him.

I don't mind adamant arguments, as long as they kind of are supported, and not completely powered by bias.

 

[LivingTribunal]

The Silver Surfer was similarly started as a god like character meant to basically solve any problem given to him.

I don't mind adamant arguments, as long as they kind of are supported, and not completely powered by bias.

noble soul, norrin radd
always been tortured

 

[Guyverjay]

SouLeSS is normal, Jay is underlined, mine is bold.


*phew* Now that that's over with, I hope we can at least debate like civil people instead of constantly insulting people based of assumptions. Acting arrogant and ignorant gets nobody anywhere.

To Mistress Gluon, I dare hope you realize that that large an over reaction was as uncalled for as mine. You actually have pointed it out. Oh well, we'll all live. Please next time fniish the post, I was so curious about the second half. Or next time, don't respond, and don't give the person the satisfaction of a reply.

Badfish40oz, please do not just piss people off for the hell of it. I realize this probably wasn't your intent, but she said it in her rant, "look before you leap." You ruin a good thread by continuing something that had died off, and it had. I already got my proverbial butt kicked for it a few weeks ago. If you want to enjoy the 'X vs. Y' threads, go ahead you're as entitled as the rest of us, but when someone wants to rant about something ridiculous, just ignore it and hope it dies, or move on, or both. I realize you probably don't want advice, and I'm rarely in a position to give it, but PLEASE let it die here? don't respond to her rant and argue. I don't think she's enjoying it, i'm going to assume most other posters aren't enjoying it, so unless you are enjoying it, please, please, PLEASE stop. For the betterment of finding a few people who would completely detroy Surfer? Please?

Thanks a billion. t:

Captain Ginyu had a higher power level, Golu surpassed it using the kai-o-ken technique but his actual base power level was lower than Ginyu's. Besides the body switch technique would have worked on anyone, the power level of the individual is irrelevent if it hits.

Goku was getting used to Ginyu's body whilst Ginyu couldn't get anything from Gokus body (he was being matched by Krillin and Goham)

Surfer got beaten by Gladiator, he got pimp slapped with his own board and needed help from Ego the living planet. Glads while not having the range of abilities that the surfer has is certainly more than a match for him regardless of what marvel.com wants to say, the guy leveled a planet using three punches for pete sake. Of course surf can just use the radiation weakness he threatened him with in Galactus: the devourer

 

[Mad Bull]

Lol, lovely. Let's see how far this goes.

 

[Guyverjay]

Also, note how most of the people you talk about knocking out the Silver Surfer are well above human in capability? Karnak can "see" the "pressure/weakness" point in all objects around him, which likely includes living beings, and then break that point so that the object shatters or breaks. The fact that he found such a point on SS and still good not truly kill him says something considering that Goku can still die from a punctured jugular vein without his precious senzu beans.

Okay so you are assuming he even has jugular veins? I fail to see how thats even relevent, I'm sure Superman would die if his heart or something was punctured and he didn't get medical attention. of course the amount of power it would take to actul inflict that injury is something else. Besides Karnak tried to find the Hulks weak spot and didn't find jack squat so his ability is fallible.


The others you named are also well beyond Goku's abilities, either being gods or having the ability to lift atleast 90 tons of matter, or both in atleast one case . Goku can't, has never even been shown to, do something like that.

Gohan Lifted a Jumbo Jet as Great saya man. Depending on which version you look at Goku is very strong.

Freiza threw an ISLAND at Goku for petes sake

Anime Goku pushed apart a mountain with his bare hands

GT Goku Lifted a city

Even Vegeta in his base form has trained in 450 times the earths gravity, which probably only makes him weigh 40 tonnes or so but thats in his weakest state.

Of course because of the nature of the story they aren't many lifting feats. But if you can hit a guy who can survive a planet exploding ONE time and kill him . Its fair to say that your punch is packing alot more pressure than 90 tonnes[/B]



And as far as Midnight Sun, was DEFEATED BY SS, he didn't knock him out. Down, possible, out, NO. Unless you show me proof. And besides that fact, Midnight Sun was in a new cloned Body with all sorts of post-human abilities. PLus, even DBZ is subject to bad writing, look at DBGT.

Midnight Sun was nothing, but he was batting surfer around. Was he hurting him? No but it shows that hand to hand surf will just get made to look very silly against Goku.

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I omitted the parts that I had no comment on

 

[Mad Bull]

I omitted the parts that I had no comment on

Well, as I understood it, Karnak DID find the Hulk's weakest point, but was unable to do jack as far as exploiting it. Just because it was ol' Greenskin's weakest point doesn't mean it was weak at all. At least to Karnak.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Well, as I understood it, Karnak DID find the Hulk's weakest point, but was unable to do jack as far as exploiting it. Just because it was ol' Greenskin's weakest point doesn't mean it was weak at all. At least to Karnak.

Kind of what I was thinking.

Like, I could find the weak point in a wall, but couldn't use my hands to break it.

 

[Mad Bull]

Kind of what I was thinking.

Like, I could find the weak point in a wall, but couldn't use my hands to break it.

Exactly. As an Inhuman, though, didn't Karnak have a little superhuman strength? Even to a miniscule degree?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

He has a degree of beyond human strength. But it's really not enough to do much to the Hulk.

I believe it's like...well under Spider Man I believe.

 

[Mad Bull]

He has a degree of beyond human strength. But it's really not enough to do much to the Hulk.

I believe it's like...well under Spider Man I believe.

And we all know what his bloody fists did to the Hulk,