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Who could beat the Silver Surfer?

I know. It looked like Buus attack just exploded, in contrast to Frezas attack on Namek. The core wasn't tampered with. Thats what the writer implied.
Eitherway, you can say that Buus blast should have absorbed the earth or whatever, but the fact is Buus energy ball blew up. And its explosion destroyed the earth without core tampering. Thats how AT wrote it.
 
All the energy ball would have to do is damage the structural integrity of the crust sufficiently and heat the core to cause it to expand. This would rupture the crust everywhere and enable the pressure to continue to force the core and mantle outwards.
 
All the energy ball would have to do is damage the structural integrity of the crust sufficiently and heat the core to cause it to expand. This would rupture the crust everywhere and enable the pressure to continue to force the core and mantle outwards.
Yeah, but the way he wrote it, it looked like Buus ball just blew up. The core, the crust, nor did any instability have anything to do with the earths explosion.
 
I know. It looked like Buus attack just exploded, in contrast to Frezas attack on Namek. The core wasn't tampered with. Thats what the writer implied.
Eitherway, you can say that Buus blast should have absorbed the earth or whatever, but the fact is Buus energy ball blew up. And its explosion destroyed the earth without core tampering. Thats how AT wrote it.


Without AT explicitly saying that, there's no way for us to really know that.
 
Without AT explicitly saying that, there's no way for us to really know that.
It was clearly obvious what he was showing. If he wanted Buu to look like he was tampering with the core he would have done that, just like how he showed Freeza tampering with it. But Freeza only tampered with it because thats his style. Buu likes a bigbang. Also the fact that the explosion blew him up too, even though he's more durable than Freeza suggest that it was not the planets explosion we really saw but his own. Since the planets explosion would not be strong enough to harm him.
 
Well, it's NOT obvious, given that all we see are angles.

And Buu never really seemed all that more durable than Frieza, more or less, his body just absorbs shock, not cancels it.
 
No, he definately was more durable. The fact that Tiens neo ki blast affected Imperfect Cell but couldn't even budge Buu makes that obviously clear. And that Trunks energy attacks vaporised Freeza and yet attacks from a SSJ3 Goku couldn't also gives signs of that.
 
Ehhh, Buu was a shock absorber. You could tell from his pliable body that it could just take more shock because of it's own properties, which leads to a secondary durability.
 
So you're basically saying he's not more durable than him, but he is more durable than him.Gotcha.:dry:
But basically he's more durable than him(theory of shock absorbtion or not). So the blast was definately his that blew up the earth since a planets explosion alone would never harm him.
Though you can't just assume a theory out of thin air that he absorbs shockwaves. Fact is he's just more durable than Freeza.
 
I didn't pull the theory out of thin air. It's obvious his pliable body is meant to absorb that stuff.
 
An attack is an attack? What kind of perverted backwards logic is that? That's like saying a book is a book, or a computer is a computer. Yeah, they are, but behind all that you have to take into account what's inside the computer and book, information, stories, datafiles, etc. (or in Goku's case, the strength behind the punch). Energy and Strength have everything to do with Goku. Otherwise he's nothing. Just a human-looking alien who knows some fancy kicks. He can't even fly without his energy.

It does not matter if the attack was a projectile or a physical punch. Characters in DBZ has PHYSICALLY slapped away planet busters and damaged beings that are more durable than planets. I don't need physics 101 to tell me that.:o

Also, we know that Goku can hurt people who shake off "Planet destroying blasts". Surfer can turn planet's to gold, or take away the atmosphere, lightspeed his board right through Goku before Goku even senses him. And if you've read Mistress Gluon's physics lesson 101, you DO understand that shrugging off-planet blowing up forces still doesn't impress most of us when we compare him to the surfer? The Surfer can fly into suns. How many DBZ characters can claim that?

Who cares if Surfer can turn a planet or a napkin into gold that is irrelvent because he does NOT do it in battle. Surfer's board going right through Goku is laughable. And please care to show me when has Surfer ever destroyed a planet by himself? I am not talking about the fight he had with Morg either because that was BOTH of their powers combined that did that. Surfer can fly into Suns Whoopdey do, yet it does not take much to knock him out, ask Thing and Thanos. I know Cooler is more durable than the sun when he was able to survive Goku's Kamehameha blast and the sun exploded.

With you comment about Planet Busters, I dare say that their isn't a character left worthy of note that can't blow up planet's in Dragonball Z.

Bwhahahahahahahaah! Vegeta, Freeza, Cell, Goku, Gohan, Majin Buu, the list goes on......
 
Dude, let's just leave it as the physics escaped you of the whole idea, and drop it there.
 
It does not matter if the attack was a projectile or a physical punch. Characters in DBZ has PHYSICALLY slapped away planet busters and damaged beings that are more durable than planets. I don't need physics 101 to tell me that.:o

My argument here is that Goku still needs his strength, energy and power to exert that FORCE through his fists. Saying an attack is an attack was the most laughable thing I've ever heard, because on that logic an ant biting a person's toe is just the same as thousand ants swarming a person and killing him or her. And PLanet Buster or not, they would have gotten their asses kicked by Surfer, who is a cosmic entity, who literally could turn them into a napkin to wipe his mouth off. Not a petty warlord or a reject robot designer's pet project.
Who cares if Surfer can turn a planet or a napkin into gold that is irrelvent because he does NOT do it in battle. Surfer's board going right through Goku is laughable. And please care to show me when has Surfer ever destroyed a planet by himself? I am not talking about the fight he had with Morg either because that was BOTH of their powers combined that did that. Surfer can fly into Suns Whoopdey do, yet it does not take much to knock him out, ask Thing and Thanos. I know Cooler is more durable than the sun when he was able to survive Goku's Kamehameha blast and the sun exploded.

"Because he does not do it in battle." This is your great arguement. That the Surfer's abilities are neglible because he doesn't show all his abilities in battle whenever he can? How about this then... Why didn't Goku power up all the way as soon as possible in his battle vs. Cell? Better yet, Majin Vegeta. Why does Goku not just go back to his base form and summon the spirit bomb against Cell, letting Gohan and the other's defend him while he builds it? These are all abilities Goku could have used in these two battles that he never did, that would have been tremendously effective (if a Spirit Bomb from just Earth can kill Buu, I'm sure they could have done it for Cell).

Also, if the Surfer's Board is travelling at lightspeed, and not being a living thing, so thus unsenible by Goku, how is he exactly supposed to dodge the indestructible metal blade that rushes at him and cuts him in half. I don't care that Surfer has never been shown to do that, he can and has on more impressive beings then Goku.

I'd like you to point out a planet Goku has destroyed. While you're at it, do it for the rest of the character's that make up the Z-team, but subtract Vegeta because he's the only one who ever has. By your logic, if a character hasn't done somthing, they can't do it. Goku has never blown up a planet so he is clearly incapable of such a feat.:whatever: Yeah right. You've just gone into denial. We've shown you official published material that shows what the Surfer can do, but you refuse to beleive it because you have failed to see it.

I think the Surfer flying into the sun is a hell of alot more impressive then anything your character's have ever done. A) It shows that the Surfer is far more durable then you give him credit for, and B) The character's you name, or at least one, is creditted as a Universe Killer. He killed half the life in the known universe in half an instant. He is Thanos, and the Surfer has gone toe-to-toe with him and survived. So eat your heart out. Not even a DBZ villain, not even Buu, can creditted as able to kill half the universe in an instant. Hell Buu get's his jollies from blowing up planets, now we're talking bigger.

Cooler is a non-canon character. It'd be like me taking a "What If...?" comic and posting it's results as undeniable proof, like the 'Punisher Kills the Marvel universe.' Like that would ever happen. And if the sun was blown up, how did the planet's survive?:oldrazz:

Surfer kills the DBZ Universe...
 
Son_of_W said:
My argument here is that Goku still needs his strength, energy and power to exert that FORCE through his fists. Saying an attack is an attack was the most laughable thing I've ever heard, because on that logic an ant biting a person's toe is just the same as thousand ants swarming a person and killing him or her. And PLanet Buster or not, they would have gotten their asses kicked by Surfer, who is a cosmic entity, who literally could turn them into a napkin to wipe his mouth off. Not a petty warlord or a reject robot designer's pet project.

Surfer gets KO'd by average ass attacks that are FAR from planet busting, yet you say he could beat Goku.:rolleyes:

"Because he does not do it in battle." This is your great arguement. That the Surfer's abilities are neglible because he doesn't show all his abilities in battle whenever he can? How about this then... Why didn't Goku power up all the way as soon as possible in his battle vs. Cell? Better yet, Majin Vegeta. Why does Goku not just go back to his base form and summon the spirit bomb against Cell, letting Gohan and the other's defend him while he builds it? These are all abilities Goku could have used in these two battles that he never did, that would have been tremendously effective (if a Spirit Bomb from just Earth can kill Buu, I'm sure they could have done it for Cell).

You really don't know what you are talking about, Surfer does NOT transmute any living beings at all in combat. He is a damn pacificst for crying out loud. BTW Goku did NOT use any of those abilities against Majin Vegeta because he has something called Saiya-jin Pride, Goku was nowhere near Cell in power at all, He also wanted Gohan to be the hero and stop earth from depending on him so much. Their was a motive and a reason behind Goku's actions if you actually read or watched DBZ BTW Goku gathered spirit from all over the universe to kill Kid Buu.:up:

Also, if the Surfer's Board is travelling at lightspeed, and not being a living thing, so thus unsenible by Goku, how is he exactly supposed to dodge the indestructible metal blade that rushes at him and cuts him in half. I don't care that Surfer has never been shown to do that, he can and has on more impressive beings then Goku.

Surfer would be riding the board just to do that, which means Goku would sense him/:o Also Goku has the reflexes to dodge any attack thrown at him.

I'd like you to point out a planet Goku has destroyed. While you're at it, do it for the rest of the character's that make up the Z-team, but subtract Vegeta because he's the only one who ever has. By your logic, if a character hasn't done somthing, they can't do it. Goku has never blown up a planet so he is clearly incapable of such a feat. Yeah right. You've just gone into denial. We've shown you official published material that shows what the Surfer can do, but you refuse to beleive it because you have failed to see it.

Goku has harnished enough power to destroy planet earth against Cell it is stated. Hell, Characters WEAKER than Goku like Freeza can do it. I don't need a bio on the Surfer's powers, I have read damn near all of his comics to understand what he is capable of. Scans only impresse me:up:

I think the Surfer flying into the sun is a hell of alot more impressive then anything your character's have ever done. A) It shows that the Surfer is far more durable then you give him credit for, and B) The character's you name, or at least one, is creditted as a Universe Killer. He killed half the life in the known universe in half an instant. He is Thanos, and the Surfer has gone toe-to-toe with him and survived. So eat your heart out. Not even a DBZ villain, not even Buu, can creditted as able to kill half the universe in an instant. Hell Buu get's his jollies from blowing up planets, now we're talking bigger

Bwhahahahahahaha! TheThanos that only killed half of the universe is the one with the infinity gauntlet, Surfer took on a much weaker Thanos. So no using an augmented character is NOT going to save you. Not too mention that Super Buu 3 has the power to destroy the UNIVERSE!!!!!! and this is his OWN power.......Kid Buu has destroyed a Galaxy..........So I guess you can eat your heart out.:up:

Surfer kills the DBZ Universe...

:rolleyes:
 
Funny, you really don't know Surfer. If someone wasn't there to save a super powered Cable, then he would have died, after the Surfer left him there to die.
 
I think DBZ fanboys are worse than Hulk fan boys, but we can't really consider DBZ fanboys human, can we:confused:
 
I am not a Dragonball Fanboy at all, I just know anime and comics. I can name tons of characters who can wipe the DBZ characters out. Usually you Marvel/DC fanboys are the ones.......overexagerrating feats like Surfer and Thor.
 
I didn't pull the theory out of thin air. It's obvious his pliable body is meant to absorb that stuff.
But theory or not you basically agreed that he is more durable than Frieza. Which means that it was his vanishingball exploding and not the planet exploding, since Buu was blown apart by it.
 
I think DBZ fanboys are worse than Hulk fan boys, but we can't really consider DBZ fanboys human, can we:confused:
I honestly think people who are bigger fans of American comics just don't like DBZ, because they actually pose a threat to the characters they've loved for ages, so they use terms like non-canon and throw their weakest feat around to make the z characters look weaker than they are. Especially the non-canon part since sure its non canon to the manga, but the anime is its own canon. Its not like it never happened at in any version of DBZ. Its no different than referencing Marvel Ultimate characters. Sure they're non canon to 616, but stilll its its own canon. So if someone wants to reference those characters they can, but they have to leave the 616 counterparts out of the debate.
 
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Mxy from the Superman Mythos would be able to beat Goku, or are oyu guys gonna say that he wouldn't?

(He would also beat Surfer with no problem)
 
Actually, I only came in this thread because the feats of DBZ were beeing bashed on. Whether you guys think Goku could beat Silversurfer or Mr.Mxy(can't remember how to spelll all of that) is your oponion, which everyone is entitled to. Noone agrees on everything. I think Goku can take the Surfer, thats my opinion. But I didn't come in this thread to debate that ironically.
 
I honestly think people who are bigger fans of American comics just don't like DBZ, because they actually pose a threat to the characters they've loved for ages, so they use terms like non-canon and throw their weakest feat around to make the z characters look weaker than they are. Especially the non-canon part since sure its non canon to the manga, but the anime is its own canon. Its not like it never happened at in any version of DBZ. Its no different than referencing Marvel Ultimate characters. Sure they're non canon to 616, but stilll its its own canon. So if someone wants to reference those characters they can, but they have to leave the 616 counterparts out of the debate.


In all honesty I like DBZ, up to a certain point. Here is why, it is basically like the Rocky formula. Goku beats bad guy, they encounter newer stronger opponet, can be beat, Goku trains, becomes stronger, stuggles with battle, needs some help, finds huge boost and then saves the day.

For the most part, yes that is pretty much the entire dragon ball Z saga in a nut shell. Not to mention that Akira Toriyama (sp) the creator of the DBZ series admits that it got a bit out of hand, which is why he stopped after the Bu series. He didn't do DB GT nor did he do the last few movies.

That's also why after a while he did away with Power Levels because it got a bit ridiculous. I enjoy the DBZ series for what it is, but that is it. I really enjoy the series up until the end of the cell saga. I thought that would have been perfect to end the series. Gohan proves that the mix of Human and Sajian (sp) blood has the potential to create a new hybrid that is more powerful than either on their own.

After that it becomes extremely redundant, the only thing that improves is the art.

Plus the DBZ world is more, cartoonish. Not to say that it is anymore unrealistic than the Marvel Universe, or DC Universe, none of them are any closer to reality than the other, well okay maybe a little.

But DBZ seems more like it belongs in the same catagory as Warner Brother cartoons, Bugs Bunny and Daffy duck. Yes the manga is much more brutal than the tv show, but it still has that comical/catoon like quality that I don't see very much of in Marvel or DC comics. Of course there are certain characters such as Dead Pool or Impossible Man, but the majority far out-weigh the minority.

That is just my take on it. And to answer the poster above that quoted me, no I am not a Marvel Fanboy, and I have posted many reasons why I think certain characters, probably Chrome Dome above all, are written very poorly and extremely inconsistently.

But you haven't read those posts now have you?
 

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