Sequels Who do you want for the four horsemen?

[Decay]

Gambit
Pyro
Angel
Storm

 

[Spider-Fan]

Archangel
Holocaust
Abyss
Sinister

That is most definately the way to go with the Horseman!

 

[WorthyStevens]

Archangel
Plague
Abraham Kieros
Autumn.

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

in a perfect world i agree, it should be angel + 3 "unknowns" but X3 killed/neutered some important characters, and making the horsemen get enhanced abilities would be a believable way to repower them (as opposed to some ms marvel/phoenix rising/etc...)


if it were up to me i'd either shoot X4-6 as once (ala LotR) or really quickly as the actors aren't getting any younger


pocky as the main bad guy, but you wouldn't see him til the 5th/6th

shadow king and sinister would be his agents, but the audience would have no clue about sinister as he'd be the super nice and friendly dr. essex the whole time on screen, thus making the reveal sweeter

you could make shadow king a powerful telepathic crime lord, arms dealer in egypt and make him more human looking. this way you can give storm some backstory, and make her more like the comics. secondary bonus is that this also gives the professor somebody to actually battle instead of constantly getting punked

SK's job is to distract/seperate the x-men and xavier and kill them

sinister has to "recruit" some mutants for pocky. he he can use his own group to accomplish this (mauraders, nasty boys, whatever) led by gambit. leads to the capture of rogue and angel. of course we know gambit isn't really bad deep down and blah blah redemption, blah blah

maybe i'll post my ideas in another thread

 

[Farren]

Really, this is Angel's own arc. If other X-Men were made into the three other Horsemen, it takes away from what made that arc so great.

If this storyline were to be made, - X-Men wise - Angel and only Angel should be made into a Horseman. I would be pretty pissed otherwise.

IMO Worthy is right. It's Angel's storyline.

And in a movie it would be too contrived to have the other horsemen consist of depowered or dead mutants from the former films.

I think they could get away with using the storyline to bring Cyke back - but not as a horseman. Let Cyke escape Apocalypse's clutches - maybe Sinister could help him out - he has an interest in Scott.

 

[Heretic]

So, let me get this straight...people are upset because they dont like how Cyclops and Rogue were used, but turning them into evil pawns of Apocalypse and murdering continents full of people would make things better???

First of all, and I've said this before...Cyclops is my favorite X-man...but in the movies he is DEAD. We've seen Jean brought back once, Profesor X brought back an hour after being killed, and now you want Scott back? Hey, lets follow that up with bringing back all the non-powered humans that died as well. They were extras, but come on, they're characters were under-developed like Cyclops! In other words, bringing Cyclops back will show viewers that death is completely meaningless in this world...and without risk of death in a drama, there is little tension to the battles.

My picks...

Angel
The rest are negotiable.

 

[The Guard]

Cyclops
Angel (Archangel)
Gambit
Pyro

 

[MaleRogue]

Rogue
Xavier
Gambit
Magneto

 

[Goddessreicho]

Storm - Famine (Common she can wipe out everyone just through screwing around with water and vegetation, everybody has to drink water and eat eventually...)

Kitty - Death

Wolverine - Pestilence (he can spread diseases just through sexual contact, lol, jk :P)

Xavier - War (oh common, it'll be fun, he'll be back and cause damage! )

 

[X-Maniac]

... As if the concept of the Four Horseman has a hope in hell of appearing in any X-movie, given the reality-grounded tone established thus far. Unless we are hoping for Peter Jackson to direct and take us into epic fantasy land.

 

[WorthyStevens]

... As if the concept of the Four Horseman has a hope in hell of appearing in any X-movie, given the reality-grounded tone established thus far. Unless we are hoping for Peter Jackson to direct and take us into epic fantasy land.

Oh ye of little faith.

They do have a chance, if done right.

 

[The Guard]

If Magneto can have a Brotherhood of Mutants, there's no reason Sinister or Apocalypse cannot have four hencheman filling that role.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I've always wanted to see Angel become Archangel in a future film. While his scenes in X3 were very poorly done, despite the awesome flying effects and how realistic the wings looked, it's in my honest opinion that seeing Archangel on the big screen would be even more amazing.

The Four Horsemen storyline definitely needs to be brought to life. Just as long as Ratner, Uwe Boll, or any other crappy director is nowhere near it.

 

[X-Maniac]

I still can't see how on earth you would make the Four Horsemen come to life in an X-movie, given the toned-down style so far. It just wouldn't work to have four mutants renamed War, Famine, Pestilence and Death galloping about. It's far too 'unreal' as a concept, as stupid as putting Emma Frost and Arcade in the Wolverine spin-off.

Let's just have Mojo, the Shi'ar landing on the lawn at the mansion, and a living island called Krakoa.

This isn't what the X-Men is about. And Angel needs to have more time and more exploration as the feathered variety before he gets blue skin and metal wings. Angel needs another movie as himself, before we get any transformation.

I'm amazed that those who didn't like X3's more comicbook style now want the more outlandish stuff from the comics to make an appearance.

It took Storm three movies to take to the air, I don't think we are yet ready for War, Famine, Pestilence and Death to be roaming the world. And Apocalypse as an ancient Egyptian wouldn't work either in the world Singer established.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

While I agree we will probably never get the Horsemen galloping in a movie, we can easily have a "version" of them. If we can have a "version" of a planet-eating-super-freak creature, why not the horsemen? Very different, like most things in the movie-verse, but still using them as a premise. Pretty much every villain can have a version of them thrown at the movies. Now, if these movies will be good or not, that will depend on who writes those changes.

 

[X-Maniac]

While I agree we will probably never get the Horsemen galloping in a movie, we can easily have a "version" of them. If we can have a "version" of a planet-eating-super-freak creature, why not the horsemen?

Yes, and look how most people on here react to the idea of the version we got of 'planet-eating-super-freak' Phoenix....

Very few people like the version of Phoenix that was done for the movies, and yet you want to tone down other ideas into nothing like the original ones.

Cyclops as a horseman doesn't make sense. He needs to be recuperating in a coma. Angel suddenly becoming Archangel and being a horseman doesn't make sense, it's too early for that transformation.

Let's apply some logic here.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

Yes, and look how most people on here react to the idea of the version we got of 'planet-eating-super-freak' Phoenix....

Very few people like the version of Phoenix that was done for the movies, and yet you want to tone down other ideas into nothing like the original ones.

Cyclops as a horseman doesn't make sense. He needs to be recuperating in a coma. Angel suddenly becoming Archangel and being a horseman doesn't make sense, it's too early for that transformation.

Let's apply some logic here.

There's a difference between me saying it's easy to get the horsemen and me wanting them. I don't want horsemen, ever. Heck I want no Apocalypse. There are way better villains that still have to see the light before we can jump into Apocalypse or horsemen. Sentinels, Sinister, Hellfire club come to mind.

I still think it's easy to bring the horsemen to life. What I tried to say is that, 5 years before, we alll would probably scream that bringing Phoenix to the screeen was unbelieveable and impossible. Well, it happened, good or not, it happened. And Phoenix is way harder to bring to life than the horsemen.

 

[The Guard]

I still can't see how on earth you would make the Four Horsemen come to life in an X-movie, given the toned-down style so far. It just wouldn't work to have four mutants renamed War, Famine, Pestilence and Death galloping about. It's far too 'unreal' as a concept, as stupid as putting Emma Frost and Arcade in the Wolverine spin-off.

I don't think anyone wants to see just that. But for Apocalypse to have four powerful mutants to do his bidding would be in line with what the Horsemen are in the comics. I agree that Angel needs some development before he becomes Archangel, so X4 can deal with that...and X5 could introduce Archangel.

 

[Mistopurr83]

If some characters getting depowered and killed off was not meant to set up something for them in an X4 than, what would be the point in bringing them back? Otherwise what became of them in X3 was just a cheap way to write them out of future x-movies. I think the best way to revive dead and depowered characters is to have them turned into horsemen or else they won't serve a purpose for the story. IMO it has to continue this way.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

If some characters getting depowered and killed off was not meant to set up something for them in an X4 than, what would be the point in bringing them back? Otherwise what became of them in X3 was just a cheap way to write them out of future x-movies. I think the best way to revive dead and depowered characters is to have them turned into horsemen or else they won't serve a purpose for the story. IMO it has to continue this way.

There's really no need to power them again. The ending with Magneto and the metal chess piece is proof enough that the cure isn't permanent.

Anyways here is a rant about my opinion on the Four Horsemen.

For those who say Archangel, Apocalypse, and the Horsemen in general are too fantast like in Singers world let me remind you of one thing. Nothing about the X-Men is realistic. Just because it's set in the real world doesn't mean that a story involving Apocalypse and the Horsemen can't take place in this realm.

Seriously no matter how set in the real world it is, everything about it is still out of the ordinary and requires a suspension of disbelief. Can we walk down the street and see a guy shoot optic beams out of his eyes? Can we see a blue mutant who is a scientific genius and looks like a simian? Can we see a woman who shoots lightning from her hands and controls the weather? Better yet, will we see a man with claws coming out of his skin?

Nothing about the characters and the universe are realistic. In the end anything possible and they can surely integrate Apocalypse and the Four Horsemen into a real world setting.

It's true Angel needs more than one film to establish the story, however, it would be an emotional and an amazing story to tell when he becomes Archangel and overcomes the brainwashing of Apocalypse.

 

[X-Maniac]

If some characters getting depowered and killed off was not meant to set up something for them in an X4 than, what would be the point in bringing them back? Otherwise what became of them in X3 was just a cheap way to write them out of future x-movies. I think the best way to revive dead and depowered characters is to have them turned into horsemen or else they won't serve a purpose for the story. IMO it has to continue this way.

That makes no sense at all.

Three main mutants were cured - Magneto, Mystique, Rogue. Xavier appeared to die but didn't. Cyclops appeared to be dead. Phoenix was stabbed to death and buried in the grounds. Arclight and Quill were atomised by Phoenix, possibly also Psylocke. Juggernaut and Callisto may be dead too.

There are only four horsemen. To suggest that all the casualties listed above are candidates for horsemen, and that it was set up that way, is nonsense and nothing else.

X3 was not establishing the idea of horsemen. It was closing off story arcs for several characters who couldn't figure prominently in the movie due to other commitments (Cyclops, Rogue, Mystique) or who don't want to do any more X-movies (Mystique again, Xavier). Some of the storyline was dictated by actor availability and politics or by personal wishes. Rebecca Romijn made it clear she'd had quite enough of the blue make-up after seven years, and she accepted a part in a TV show that reduced her screentime in X3. It was nothing to do with them setting up the four horsemen.

It makes little sense for Apocalypse and the four horsemen to come next in the X-movies. We need the Hellfire Club and Sinister first, to build up the story and the tensions before Apocalypse comes on screen.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

That makes no sense at all.

Three main mutants were cured - Magneto, Mystique, Rogue. Xavier appeared to die but didn't. Cyclops appeared to be dead. Phoenix was stabbed to death and buried in the grounds. Arclight and Quill were atomised by Phoenix, possibly also Psylocke. Juggernaut and Callisto may be dead too.

There are only four horsemen. To suggest that all the casualties listed above are candidates for horsemen, and that it was set up that way, is nonsense and nothing else.

X3 was not establishing the idea of horsemen. It was closing off story arcs for several characters who couldn't figure prominently in the movie due to other commitments (Cyclops, Rogue, Mystique) or who don't want to do any more X-movies (Mystique again, Xavier). Some of the storyline was dictated by actor availability and politics or by personal wishes. Rebecca Romijn made it clear she'd had quite enough of the blue make-up after seven years, and she accepted a part in a TV show that reduced her screentime in X3. It was nothing to do with them setting up the four horsemen.

It makes little sense for Apocalypse and the four horsemen to come next in the X-movies. We need the Hellfire Club and Sinister first, to build up the story and the tensions before Apocalypse comes on screen.

Perhaps, but you can do one film introducing Hellfire Club and Sinister, then introduce Apocalypse afterwards. However, the movie you support missed a great chance to introduce Sinister at the end of X3.

It could've set things up very nicely by having him appear in the end with Magneto.

 

[X-Maniac]

There's really no need to power them again. The ending with Magneto and the metal chess piece is proof enough that the cure isn't permanent.

Anyways here is a rant about my opinion on the Four Horsemen.

For those who say Archangel, Apocalypse, and the Horsemen in general are too fantast like in Singers world let me remind you of one thing. Nothing about the X-Men is realistic. Just because it's set in the real world doesn't mean that a story involving Apocalypse and the Horsemen can't take place in this realm.

Seriously no matter how set in the real world it is, everything about it is still out of the ordinary and requires a suspension of disbelief. Can we walk down the street and see a guy shoot optic beams out of his eyes? Can we see a blue mutant who is a scientific genius and looks like a simian? Can we see a woman who shoots lightning from her hands and controls the weather? Better yet, will we see a man with claws coming out of his skin?

Nothing about the characters and the universe are realistic. In the end anything possible and they can surely integrate Apocalypse and the Four Horsemen into a real world setting.

It's true Angel needs more than one film to establish the story, however, it would be an emotional and an amazing story to tell when he becomes Archangel and overcomes the brainwashing of Apocalypse.

But surely almost everything about the characters and the universe was made to be fairly realistic - as realistic as possible. That's why Storm didn't fly for two movies - Bryan was terrified of having characters flying around (then he went to do Superman! Go figure!).

The reality vs fantasy argument is difficult as it is more a spectrum from one to the other and a question of how far do you go along it. Do you have good characters in a totally fantastical setting (like Star Wars, Lord of the Rings) or do you create a very realworld setting (X-Men) and tone down your characters to fit in. Movies like Star Wars and LoTR have the advantage of everything being fantastical, so they don't have to worry so much about making it look like it could happen in the real world - after all, none of us is likely to ever come across a Wookie or a Hobbit or take part in outer space adventures on Tattooeen or wherever.

But when the setting is quasi-realistic, like New York in the X-movies, the totally fantastical can look totally ridiculous. X3 pushed the envelope about as far as possible, with scenes like Magneto and his Brotherhood striding into Jean's parents' neighbourhood in full costume. This looked fine in my view, but Singer would never have done that, he'd have set it in the cover of darkness and grounded the look/costumes much more in reality, rather than creating these punky mutant outlaws, an underground community of outcasts, rebels and nonconformists (underground figuratively rather than literally, in X3).

The issue is how could Apocalypse and the Horsemen be incorporated into the movies without seeming too hokey and cheesy.

 

[X-Maniac]

Perhaps, but you can do one film introducing Hellfire Club and Sinister, then introduce Apocalypse afterwards. However, the movie you support missed a great chance to introduce Sinister at the end of X3.

It could've set things up very nicely by having him appear in the end with Magneto.

I think it would have been nice if we'd seen Sinister with a recovering Cyclops at the end.

I would have liked the novelisation's Magneto scene in which Moira MacTaggert hands him a business card.

What happened with Magneto in the movie, and what many fail to see, is a version of the comicbook stories in which he was reduced to infancy by his mutant creation Weapon Alpha. In the film, his powers were reduced to their infancy, rather than him being physically turned into a baby. The scene with Moira follows on from that, as the comicbook infant Magneto was taken to Muir Island (where he was genetically modified by Moira and later regained his powers and adulthood).

**** Please refrain from 'the movie you support' which is a subtle but obvious swipe! 'Support' is rather the wrong word. 'Enjoy for what it was' is more like it. And you've seen my criticisms on here. I've made them very clear so my stance is clear and not perceived as 'loyalism.'

 

[masterj]

Pestilence = Rogue
Famine = Blob
Death = Archangel
War = Mystique