Who has the Worst Rogues Gallery in the Marvel Universe?

[Themanofbat]

DareDevil's good villains are all Spider-Man's...

 

[The Overlord]

DareDevil's good villains are all Spider-Man's...

What about Bullseye, Typhoid Mary and the Hand?

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Iron Man, duh

 

[Iron_Stark]

Figured Iron Man would lead the poll.

Mandarin, Zeke Stane, Madame Masque, The Ghost, Blizzard, Fin Fang Foom, Crimson Dynamo, Titanium Man, the Hammer family, Detroit Steel, Whiplash (Vanko), Ultimo, Living Lazer, AIM, Contoller, Technovore and Spymaster just to name a few, all trump whatever few villains Cap, Hulk, Daredevil and the Fantastic Four have. (minus Doom, Galactus and the Skrulls ofcourse)

 

[ares834]

Huh?

Of those only Iron Monger and A.I.M. are even slightly compelling villains. The rest are sub-par.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Compelling compared to who? The Owl? Stiltman? Batroc the Leper? Moleman?

What better villains does Daredevil have? As stated already his best villains are Spider-Mans. How about Captain America? What long list of villains does he have? Same with Fantastic Four and Hulk.

 

[Anubis]

God I hate these threads. Filled with people who either haven't read enough about other characters than the popular ones or their favorites, or just plain lack imagination.

 

[random_havoc]

Out of the options given for the poll I can think of at least some upsides for all of their rogues galleries... except Iron Man.
FF has Doom and originally Galactus. Those are two of Marvel's best villains right there.
Daredevil has Bullseye and the Hand and Kingpin.

Iron Man? Mandarin is lame at best, racist at worst. I'm glad the way they went with him in the movie. And other than that you have: Obligatory also-armoured opponents and a bunch of forgettables. His best fights in the comics have been against other heroes.

 

[runawayboulder]

God I hate these threads. Filled with people who either haven't read enough about other characters than the popular ones or their favorites, or just plain lack imagination.

Same here.

Yeah, it's fun to be a little trollish sometimes and say "oh, so and so sucks!" but you nailed it before when you said there are no bad characters, only bad writers. If you, me or anyone considers a character/villain to be bad, it's because no writer has ever done anything to change our opinion about him/her. All it takes is one writer to step up to the plate and say "Yeah, I'm gonna try and make this character cool for once." It seems like writers always shy away from the challenge.

Now an interesting thread would be, Who can name a character that once was lame and was made awesome?

 

[ares834]

Compelling compared to who? The Owl? Stiltman? Batroc the Leper? Moleman?

What better villains does Daredevil have? As stated already his best villains are Spider-Mans. How about Captain America? What long list of villains does he have? Same with Fantastic Four and Hulk.

It's not merely about the having a long list of them, but also have some great ones. IM doesn't have a single "great" rouge. Now Hulk, admittedly, doesn't have a great list of rouges. As for the others, of the top of my head...

FF has Galactus, Dr. Doom, Namor, Silver Surfer, Ronan, Super Skrull, and Annihilus.

Captain America has the Winter Soldier, Red Skull, and Baron Zemo.

Daredevil has Kingpin, Electra, and Bullseye.

All of these rouges I listed are some of the greatest in comics. Not a single rouge you listed is, IMO, on the level of any of these guys.

 

[StreetWarrior]

Mandarin is lame at best, racist at worst. And other than that you have: Obligatory also-armoured opponents and a bunch of forgettables. His best fights in the comics have been against other heroes.

This reeks of extreme ignorance. Try the Knauffs run on Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. or even Fraction's last 20 or so issues on Invincible Iron Man before you make such a foolish statement. Other than the Mandarin, Iron Man's villains are very forgettable, I'll give the critics that, but at least they're not as embarrassing as some other characters - namely, most of Daredevil's villains aside from Bullseye and Fisk.

I mean Mandrill? Come one.

I'm glad the way they went with him in the movie.

 

[StreetWarrior]

It's not merely about the having a long list of them, but also have some great ones. IM doesn't have a single "great" rouge. Now Hulk, admittedly, doesn't have a great list of rouges. As for the others, of the top of my head...

FF has Galactus, Dr. Doom, Namor, Silver Surfer, Ronan, Super Skrull, and Annihilus.

Captain America has the Winter Soldier, Red Skull, and Baron Zemo.

Daredevil has Kingpin, Electra, and Bullseye.

All of these rouges I listed are some of the greatest in comics. Not a single rouge you listed is, IMO, on the level of any of these guys.

Mandarin may not be A-List but he's quite high on the B-List and is much more an Avengers-level threat that the likes of Bullseye or most of Spider-Man's rogues. Less popular? Definitely. Less of a threat? Absolutely not. How many times has the Kingpin, Rhino, or Klaw almost conquered the planet in the last five years? 'Cause Mandy's came close twice since 2007. He may have started out a third-tier "red scare" villain but the Mandarin has definitely evolved well past such a jokey stereo type since his debut 40 YEARS AGO.

There's (mostly) no such thing as bad characters, only bad writers. With some notable exceptions. Paste Pot Pete? Come on!

 

[Shikamaru]

Wow, someone actually voted for Spider-Man ? He arguably has the best rogues gallery in the Marvel universe.

 

[StreetWarrior]

Wow, someone actually voted for Spider-Man ? He arguably has the best rogues gallery in the Marvel universe.

I'm more shocked by those who voted for the Fantastic Four. Dr. Doom, Magneto, and (now) Loki are Marvel's most recognizable villains. Throw in Galactus and the other non-earth villains and the FF is at the top! I may not be a FF fan but there's no way I could say they haven't made tremendous contributions to the Marvel universe.

Mole man is pretty lame though.

 

[random_havoc]

Mandarin may not be A-List but he's quite high on the B-List and is much more an Avengers-level threat that the likes of Bullseye or most of Spider-Man's rogues. Less popular? Definitely. Less of a threat? Absolutely not. How many times has the Kingpin, Rhino, or Klaw almost conquered the planet in the last five years? 'Cause Mandy's came close twice since 2007. He may have started out a third-tier "red scare" villain but the Mandarin has definitely evolved well past such a jokey stereo type since his debut 40 YEARS AGO.

There's (mostly) no such thing as bad characters, only bad writers. With some notable exceptions. Paste Pot Pete? Come on!

But we're not talking about which characters are more powerful, we're talking about better characters.

 

[random_havoc]

This reeks of extreme ignorance. Try the Knauffs run on Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. or even Fraction's last 20 or so issues on Invincible Iron Man before you make such a foolish statement. Other than the Mandarin, Iron Man's villains are very forgettable, I'll give the critics that, but at least they're not as embarrassing as some other characters - namely, most of Daredevil's villains aside from Bullseye and Fisk.

I mean Mandrill? Come one.

I've read Fractions issues, and remain very much unimpressed.
As for Daredevil's villains, like I said, yeah there are lame ones for sure but at least there are also some good ones. Iron Man's got nothing.

 

[StreetWarrior]

I've read Fractions issues, and remain very much unimpressed.

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

It's wrong but it's still your opinion.

EDIT: About Mandarin, not Fraction's Invincible Iron Man run. That was kinda "meh" or "3/5-ish".

 

[runawayboulder]

I thought that Fraction's Invincible Iron Man was some of his decent Marvel work. He did way worse on Uncanny, Thor and Fear Itself (in that order as far as I'm concerned).

 

[StreetWarrior]

Fraction's run was great for the first 25 issues and then he started writing in huge, never-ending story arcs that tended to end rather anti-climatically. He was never bad and he did have some great moments but I'll never be able to forgive that 9 issue Stark Resilient arc that went absolutely nowhere. Also, Fraction's run reads so much better in trade it's not even funny. He did do some great work with Iron Man's rogues though...

On that note, I'll apologize to Random_Havoc for my tone earlier. It would appear that most of my respect for Iron Man and his character library was earned in the last 8-10 years.

It's funny - I was excited for Fraction to leave Iron Man and to get some new blood on the title but his replacement was so much worse. I guess the grass is always greener.

 

[runawayboulder]

I think Gillen has been doing fine work on Iron Man. It's the "art" of Greg Land that's bringing that book down.

 

[random_havoc]

On that note, I'll apologize to Random_Havoc for my tone earlier. It would appear that most of my respect for Iron Man and his character library was earned in the last 8-10 years.

Don't know if an apology was needed/is the right word but props to you either way, how many people actually apologize to people on the internet these days?
You get +2 cool points

 

[Iron_Stark]

It's not merely about the having a long list of them, but also have some great ones. IM doesn't have a single "great" rouge. Now Hulk, admittedly, doesn't have a great list of rouges. As for the others, of the top of my head...

FF has Galactus, Dr. Doom, Namor, Silver Surfer, Ronan, Super Skrull, and Annihilus.

Captain America has the Winter Soldier, Red Skull, and Baron Zemo.

Daredevil has Kingpin, Electra, and Bullseye.

All of these rouges I listed are some of the greatest in comics. Not a single rouge you listed is, IMO, on the level of any of these guys.

Namor isn't a villain, nor is Silver Surfer so scratch them off. Ronan and Annihilus are B rate, at best. FF only have 2 great ones.

Winter Soldier, again, not a villain. And Baron Zemo is a Red Skull knock off. Cap has one great one.

Kingpin is more of a Spider-Man villain and Elektra is another that really isn't a villain, that leaves Bullseye, who if not for Collin Farrell would nevet have gotten his 15 minutes of fame.

 

[The Overlord]

Compelling compared to who? The Owl? Stiltman? Batroc the Leper? Moleman?

What better villains does Daredevil have? As stated already his best villains are Spider-Mans. How about Captain America? What long list of villains does he have? Same with Fantastic Four and Hulk.

What about Bullseye, the Hand and Typhoid Mary, those are interesting villains created in the Daredevil title. I also think Ikari is a great new DD villain.

And really Daredevil has a lot of B-list villains who are good concepts that are not always used well or get forgotten by the writers, who have a few good stories under their belt: Mr. Fear, Bushwacker, Bullet, Purple Man (though his best stories are in other titles), Mr. Hyde (who has good and bad stories in DD and other titles). With a little care and more consistent writing, DD can have at least a good rogues gallery. And really a lot of Iron Man's rogues gallery are the same way, there good concepts but the writers often do not use them well, Controller is a good very concept and has some scary moments, but other times he is treated like a joke. Titanium Man and Crimson Dynamo are just Cold war relics that don't fit in a modern story and need a big revamp to work in a modern story. Its really hard to care about Crimson Dynamo, when the guy inside the armor gets replaced all the time. Mandarin is more an archetype then a character and is hardly ever consistently written.

Really both rogues gallery need a major revamp, but really DD has a few more consistently written villains then Iron Man has.

 

[random_havoc]

Kingpin is more of a Spider-Man villain

Disagree. Sure he first showed up in Spider-Man, but he has by FAR played a bigger role in DD comics. He's consistently in DD stuff compared to almost never being in Spidey comics.

 

[runawayboulder]

Yeah, DD kinda "stole" the Kingpin away from Spider-Man.