Who is Batman's true-love?

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Tropico said:
Dysfunctional relationship mean anything to you?:confused:

I really can´t see Wonder Woman (nor Lucius Fox. Nor Alfred. Nor Powerg........... well, maybe Powergirl) falling into a dysfunctional relationship, sorry.
She´s mentally too strong, healthy and balanced to go for that crap.
 
Did you ever read the JLA issue where WW and Bats decided to stay as friends? WW was in a Martian Thought Machine (or some name like that) where she imagined different scenarios of how she would end up with Bats. In one of them she even adopted some of his more ruthless tactics, in others she "brought him into the light" but most of them mostly had bittersweet endings. It just goes to prove that in HER mind it was at lwast plausible that they could have had a relationship.

I'm not one of the Bat/WW couple fans, but I can understand where those people come from. Granted that the thread maker listed the specific people of who he thought would be Batman's true love, but it's still about what each individual would be Bats perfect mate. Regwec's reasons, as selfish as they might seem, for the 2 of them being together still adhere to the title of the thread "Batman's True Love and theirs was a relationship that in canon got explored a little. I think it's valid, even though the reasons he gave for them rubs you the wrong way.
 
I'd say Talia. Simply because its the most plausable relationship.
 
Tropico said:
Regwec's reasons, as selfish as they might seem, for the 2 of them being together still adhere to the title of the thread "Batman's True Love and theirs was a relationship that in canon got explored a little. I think it's valid, even though the reasons he gave for them rubs you the wrong way.
Thank you. For some reason it was impossible for Zeu's frontal lobes to register those words when they came from my keyboard.

Zeu, I did not intend to patronise or offend you, but I do find it surprising that you became so agitated and emotional about such an extremely trivial issue. The thread is focused upon Batman, so I wrote a hypothesis based on Batman's view. To equate that with a belief that a woman's choice in her relationships is immaterial is irrational and strange.

I think the key matter here is that you have a very strong attachment to the character of Wonder Woman. All of us here probably have favorite comicbook characters- my avatar is testament to that. But there is really no need to become so defensive, especially when my initial post was in no way an attack on the character.

In any case, and for your benefit, let's think about it from the female perspective.

-You had said that Wonder Woman was a freedom fighter, and that Batman was a fascist. I think that that is a simplification, based on very "gritty" portrayals of Batman, and very noveau silver age portrayals of Wonder woman. In recent events, we must remember that Wonder Woman effectively despaired of mercy and justice, and took to summary excecutions. Batman did not, and did his best to dissuade her from that course. I think you will agree that that was merely a phase in her character arc, but it does show Batman's comparative commitment to a belief in mercy and rehabilitation.

-Batman is physically weaker than her. You see that as an inhibiting factor, but I don't. A major factor in the downfall of most of Bruce's relationships has been a lack of trust, born of a intense fear of danger befalling his lover. With Wonder Woman, Bruce would not have any cause to adopt this behaviour. She can overcome greater threats than him. She knows Batman inside out, as well as Bruce, so there is nothing to be hidden.

-It is arguable that Diana is wiser/with more integrity than Bruce. Again, I think that the application of that premise would be that Bruce was able to respect and admire her a great deal, as well loving her. He has never really been able to do that with any mortal woman, because he is arguably the xenith of humanity. Diana is better than him, and she would be happier for that.

-It shouldn't be forgotten that human affection is almost impossible to fully understand, or predict. Countesses marry postmen, and cabinet ministers marry their secretaries. I think that Diana is an egalitarian by nature, and is unlikely to look down on somebody for their genetic inferiority. In fact, she may find greater warmth in an inbalanced relationship, rather than choosing a mate based on status or power alone. Bruce is a loyal, highly intelligent, cultured individual. He is also tortured and mysterious, but many women find that attractive. She might actually like him.

-Bruce is very good looking with a fine set of pecs and huge amounts of money. She's bound to want to ride his face.
 
Ben Urich said:
Talia is the only one who makes sense. :o

Yeah, I agree. I'm really not a fan of Batman and Catwoman. I didn't think he'd be able to look past the fact that she's an ex-con. Especially when he was Bat-jerk.
 
Talia makes sense for me too.

Batman as bi-sexual kind of makes sense too, but I'll guess we won't go there.

Wonder Woman also works best with Orin, that is before OYL.
 
If WW has such a problem with weaker men, how come she was after steve freaking trevor for the good part of 50 years?

Batman may have facist tendencies, in extreme versions of the character. at his core, he just wants crime eliminated. isnt that what diana wants as well?

I mean, many versions of batman like to paint him as a control freak, which i dont really agree with, but at its core, batman rules with fear because he HAS NO CHOICE. He's not like Wonder Woman or Superman .He's a human being who needs an advantage if he has any hope of protecting gotham.
 
Who is Batman's true love? Obviously himself. He is the king of arrogance.
 
not really. unless you believe in the crappy one dimensional version thats been dropped since IC
 
ssj wolverine said:
Who is Batman's true love? Obviously himself. He is the king of arrogance.

No, he isn't like that anymore. Not since the beginning of the One Year Later process.
 
that works, but i dunno if we're talkin comics only
 
I nominate Catwoman/Selina Kyle as Batman's true love.
 
I have an old Batman/Spider-Man comic, an although that of course doesn't take place in mainstream continuity, the following appears.

"...and has [Batman] ever loved a woman more deeply than he loves [Ra's al Ghul's] daughter."

"The Batman isn't one for introspection and self-analysis, and yet even he wondered what it is about Talia that touches his heart so. Does he see her as a reflection of himself? Of the boy he once was? For Talia, like Bruce Wayne, was never granted a true childhood; was robbed of purity and innocence.
Raised in the shadow of Ra's al Ghul's corrupted soul, she has been a prisoner of his obsessions, of his need to control not just the fate of the world..but the fate of his only child. Do I think, he muses, that I can save her, heal her -- even though I've never been able...to heal myself?"

And this all took place, of course, while he was kicking League of Assassin ass.
But yeah, I think Talia is the true love of our Bat.
 
Sawyer said:
The canidates are...

Catwoman
Talia Al Ghul
Vicki Vale
Julie Madison
Sasha Bordeaux

Black Canary.

He just doesn't know it yet. :o
 
Zeu said:
But fron HER perspective, I have yet to see one hero rise to the occasion and prove himself suitable to be her match.

I had fully agreed with you until you stated that.
In my oppinion no other person has ever shown so much understanding of Diana and, not only risen to the task of being her equal (or should I say lowering her rather then rising himself), but was succesful.

Tower of Babel anyone? Diana is a Warrior Princess, an Amazon - Batman gave her the greatest challange, studied her, found her flaws and weakness' (she's also supposed to be Perfect) - He has honorably battled her and remained standing (though when she wants to win she obviously does, which is when he uses his knowledge of her as his-own advantage)

From a true Amazonian warrior's point of view Batman would match Diana perfectly - Although it would be Superman whom she rapes to get pregnant from.
 

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