Justice League Who Should Be The Villain?

[113]

Maybe they should do a sort of Throne of Atlantis storyline where a 5 member Justice League defends the surface world against an invasion from Atlantis. This would allow them to introduce Aquaman without giving him his own movie (which would probably flop).

 

[Rorschach2012]

I dislike the idea of Atlanteans being the villain of JL. When have they ever been as formidable or iconic a threat as someone like Darkseid or Brainiac. Think BIGGER PEOPLE, this is the Justice League. Atlanteans as the villain not big enough.the only reason to suggest that would be to have a convenient way of introducing Aquaman into the film, that's literally the only pro of featuring Atlanteans.The scale of the Atlanteans isn't big enough, let the Atlanteans stay in an Aquaman movie where they belong.

Darkseid. Brainiac. White Martians. Starro. Vandal Savage. No Atlanteans. Have Orm and his rogue Atlantean army as the villain of an Aquaman film

 

[113]

I dislike the idea of Atlanteans being the villain of JL. When have they ever been as formidable or iconic a threat as someone like Darkseid or Brainiac. Think BIGGER PEOPLE, this is the Justice League. Atlanteans as the villain not big enough.the only reason to suggest that would be to have a convenient way of introducing Aquaman into the film, that's literally the only pro of featuring Atlanteans.The scale of the Atlanteans isn't big enough, let the Atlanteans stay in an Aquaman movie where they belong.

Darkseid. Brainiac. White Martians. Starro. Vandal Savage. No Atlanteans. Have Orm and his rogue Atlantean army as the villain of an Aquaman film

I'm just weary of having too many massive alien invasion movies. Think about it, over just the last 2 years we've had:

1) Transformers 3
2) Avengers
3) Man of Steel

And these weren't small scale invasion, these were big epic large scale, whole city destroying invasions. After awhile it gets repetitive, and I think part of the reasons many critics had a problem with MoS is that it's getting weary just seeing aliens destroy cities over and over. It reminds me of how people got weary with all the big disaster movies that happened in the mid-to-late 90s (ID4, Deep Impact, Armageddon) it was just too much that people stopped caring.

Also, I don't want to "waste" Darkseid or Doomsday on a first film because how can you go bigger than that? I think it's best to save Darkseid for a Justice League 3, and save Doomsday for a MoS 3.

I think the first Justice League needs to be big, but not THAT big. I think the second Justice League should basically be the Babel/JL: Doom storyline. Internal conflict is always great for a 2nd movie.

 

[Rorschach2012]

It would still be an invasion movie though. Not doing a full on invasion in the first film isn't a bad idea, but I wouldn't scale down so much as to use Atlanteans as villains.

The JL Mortal film had a decent idea in using Maxwell Lord and OMACs as villains. I think Maxwell Lord (or you could swap him with Vandal Savage, and reveal his powers at the end in an epic battle), OMACs, Checkmate, and Amanda Waller would be formidable villains, maybe save them for a second film though, like you said based on Doom/Babel.

There are a decent amount of ways you can go for the first film. It wouldn't be a bad idea to save a Darkseid invasion for the third film, after they've set up the New Gods and foreshadowed Darkseid's invasion throughout the cinematic universe...

Maxwell Lord, Amanda Waller, OMACs, Vandal Savage, Amazo, White Martians, Injustice League, Darkseid, Brainiac, Doomsday, Despero, Mongul, Starro, Crime Syndicate, Doctor Destiny

 

[shauner111]

I don't want to see a third Justice League. I just don't think Cavill and maybe others will do that many films. 6 for Cavill? I just don't see it.

All they need is 2 Justice League films. I wouldn't mind Darkseid in the first. Going all out and then scaling down a bit and being forced to come up with something drastically different, excites me. But so does ending the whole thing (JL 2) with the biggest threat in Darkseid.

As long as they spread out the alien invasions. Maybe MOS is the first film of this universe, and that's a global alien invasion.....then the last of this shared universe is JL 2 with a greater alien invasion. Book-ending everything. Maybe a solo Batman movie can continue on when Bats is a veteran and has the bat-family in tow, but the "shared" part ends with that second JL.

 

[combocaz]

Justice League : Darkseid
Justice League : Crisis on Two Earths

 

[batlovescatDC]

So who's the first villain then? It has to be something huge that gets 5 or 6 heroes together.

Dude, they have the entire list of rogues from all of the DC universe to pick from for a JL film. There are plenty of other villains than Darkseid to use that would pose quite a threat.

 

[113]

It would still be an invasion movie though. Not doing a full on invasion in the first film isn't a bad idea, but I wouldn't scale down so much as to use Atlanteans as villains.

The JL Mortal film had a decent idea in using Maxwell Lord and OMACs as villains. I think Maxwell Lord (or you could swap him with Vandal Savage, and reveal his powers at the end in an epic battle), OMACs, Checkmate, and Amanda Waller would be formidable villains, maybe save them for a second film though, like you said based on Doom/Babel.

There are a decent amount of ways you can go for the first film. It wouldn't be a bad idea to save a Darkseid invasion for the third film, after they've set up the New Gods and foreshadowed Darkseid's invasion throughout the cinematic universe...

Maxwell Lord, Amanda Waller, OMACs, Vandal Savage, Amazo, White Martians, Injustice League, Darkseid, Brainiac, Doomsday, Despero, Mongul, Starro, Crime Syndicate, Doctor Destiny

Actually I just had a thought. Sort of going along with your Crime Syndicate idea. I could see them adapting either the Elites storyline to be a larger storyline for the entire Justice League (not just Superman), or using either the Justice Lords or Crime Syndicate as a counter-group that pops up in response to the Justice League.

Or using the Alex Ross Kingdom Come storyline, but make it less about age and just more about ideas.

 

[shauner111]

Dude, they have the entire list of rogues from all of the DC universe to pick from for a JL film. There are plenty of other villains than Darkseid to use that would pose quite a threat.

Yes but you're only thinking as a fan. Marketing is a big part of this. And it's about a threat that we can take seriously + is large enough since Superman can take out an alien invasion by himself.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I dislike the idea of Atlanteans being the villain of JL. When have they ever been as formidable or iconic a threat as someone like Darkseid or Brainiac. Think BIGGER PEOPLE, this is the Justice League. Atlanteans as the villain not big enough.the only reason to suggest that would be to have a convenient way of introducing Aquaman into the film, that's literally the only pro of featuring Atlanteans.The scale of the Atlanteans isn't big enough, let the Atlanteans stay in an Aquaman movie where they belong.

Darkseid. Brainiac. White Martians. Starro. Vandal Savage. No Atlanteans. Have Orm and his rogue Atlantean army as the villain of an Aquaman film

I don't want to see the Atlanteans either, but you are massively underselling them and their threat:

Super-powered army
Technologically advanced
Superior military
Their threat would be the scale of a world war
and perhaps most importantly, they can be given a valid reason for invasion, and by extension a dynamic no other foe can present, they aren't invaders, or conquerors, they can be painted as the true heroes, it's humanity that's destroying the planet, not them.

They could make a pretty damn good film using the Atlanteans. But I'd rather they be used in an Aquaman solo.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

The only reason the Atlanteans (who are a massive army afterall) would be considered 'small-scale' or not be taken seriously is their link to Aquaman, who the GA views as a joke.

However, since that perception exists, I don't think the Atlanteans should be the first JL movie antagonists. Perhaps after Aquaman is redeemed in the first JL movie (perhaps in a badass minor role/cameo), the Atlanteans can be the baddies for the second.

Or perhaps it'd work if the Atlanteans were just one of many forces who fall under Starro's control, who is advertised as the main foe in the adverts, not Aquaman.

 

[SlamAdams]

Any army of badguys whether it Atlanteans or White Martians or whoever would be a plenty BIG for the Justice League.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

The only reason the Atlanteans (who are a massive army afterall) would be considered 'small-scale' or not be taken seriously is their link to Aquaman, who the GA views as a joke.

However, since that perception exists, I don't think the Atlanteans should be the first JL movie antagonists. Perhaps after Aquaman is redeemed in the first JL movie (perhaps in a badass minor role/cameo), the Atlanteans can be the baddies for the second.

Or perhaps it'd work if the Atlanteans were just one of many forces who fall under Starro's control, who is advertised as the main foe in the adverts, not Aquaman.

The White Martians posing as Atlanteans, Amazons and humans in order to get all three species to go to war, leaving a planet for them?

 

[cleverusername8]

If people are really that against having an alien invasion for JL, I think the next best thing would be OMACs. It would fit right in line with where MOS ended since the government and most likely the public are very cautious to trust Superman. The other heroes would only add wood to the fire so Bruce could be compelled to take things into his own hands with all of the resources at his disposal.

 

[DChero]

If people are really that against having an alien invasion for JL, I think the next best thing would be OMACs. It would fit right in line with where MOS ended since the government and most likely the public are very cautious to trust Superman. The other heroes would only add wood to the fire so Bruce could be compelled to take things into his own hands with all of the resources at his disposal.

That would be such a clever story. Superman would need help just by the sheer volume. It creates a war story over a defending humanity story. I like it.

 

[SlamAdams]

If people are really that against having an alien invasion for JL, I think the next best thing would be OMACs. It would fit right in line with where MOS ended since the government and most likely the public are very cautious to trust Superman. The other heroes would only add wood to the fire so Bruce could be compelled to take things into his own hands with all of the resources at his disposal.

I like the idea, but not for the first installment. This reminds me of a big flaw in MoS that kind of stuck with me. The question comes up "Are we better off with or without superheroes." Superman brings Zod to Earth. Zod targets Earth for practically no reason other than Superman. So I'm thinking the unbiased answer is no. I feel like if they gave Superman a chance to build up some goodwill (save of us from something that would have killed us if he wasn't here) and then had Zod in a sequel, there would have been debt owed to Supes from humanity and it would feel a little more like he wasn't just cleaning up his own mess (by wrecking all our stuff) on our front door.

 

[shauner111]

I like the idea, but not for the first installment. This reminds me of a big flaw in MoS that kind of stuck with me. The question comes up "Are we better off with or without superheroes." Superman brings Zod to Earth. Zod targets Earth for practically no reason other than Superman. So I'm thinking the unbiased answer is no. I feel like if they gave Superman a chance to build up some goodwill (save of us from something that would have killed us if he wasn't here) and then had Zod in a sequel, there would have been debt owed to Supes from humanity and it would feel a little more like he wasn't just cleaning up his own mess (by wrecking all our stuff) on our front door.

For no other reason?

Spoiler

it was for Superman but also to use earth as the new Krypton. To build the new Krypton over our planet because they lost their own

Goyer said all the damage done by Superman and Zod will be addressed in the next movie. Mainly on Superman's part.

As for everything else you say? I believe we got all that in the first movie. I don't see the flaws you speak of.

 

[SlamAdams]

For no other reason?

Spoiler

it was for Superman but also to use earth as the new Krypton. To build the new Krypton over our planet because they lost their own

Spoiler

They needed A planet, not OUR planet. And space is pretty big. They specifically came to Earth because Superman got their attention. What they did when they got here was definitely his fault

Goyer said all the damage done by Superman and Zod will be addressed in the next movie. Mainly on Superman's part.

I've got no problem with that. I see dramatic value. And I'd love to see a sequel to MoS.

As for everything else you say? I believe we got all that in the first movie. I don't see the flaws you speak of.

They forced some goodwill by having Superman give some speeches to the military and save a few of them from getting their heads knocked off in Smallville to the point where Christopher Meloni gave the worst line reading of "He's not the enemy" ever, but he is still very much responsible for dumping his own culture's dirty laundry on our planet and leveling a few city blocks. That's like a firefighter starting a fire, putting it out before it reached other buildings, but not before the entire house was gone.

 

[erehwon0]

What about a World Army type of thing. As a group, the Justice League could be seen as a threat by the governments of the world. Governments around the world organize and recruit metahumans to work for them. Whether through indimidaton, exploiting their patriotic duty (Captain Atom), pardoning their crimes (Suicide Squad) or other means.

Both groups have valid points for existing. There is no clear cut villains in the piece (maybe except the Suicide Squad members)? Until someone goes too far.

Could be interesting.

http://youtu.be/xuBlrj0CSEE

 

[metaphysician]

The main villain of the JLA should not be "the government" or "mutant paranoia."

 

[shauner111]

Spoiler

They forced some goodwill by having Superman give some speeches to the military and save a few of them from getting their heads knocked off in Smallville to the point where Christopher Meloni gave the worst line reading of "He's not the enemy" ever, but he is still very much responsible for dumping his own culture's dirty laundry on our planet and leveling a few city blocks. That's like a firefighter starting a fire, putting it out before it reached other buildings, but not before the entire house was gone.

Spoiler

He becomes Superman at the end of the film, he's very green. Those things will be addressed in the sequel. And I thought Meloni delivered that line well, don't know what you're talking about.

 

[CinematicESP]

After recently watching the "Paradise Lost" episodes of Justice League, I think Hades could be a decent villain for a JL film. It would be a way to introduce Wonder Woman without giving her her own film, which WB seems scared to do. Hades could bring an army from the underworld, and they could basically make it a zombie apocalypse movie. That would provide a large enough threat and offer something different from the space-faring villains of Man of Steel and The Avengers.

 

[shauner111]

That's the most original suggestion we've had yet. (not being sarcastic).

 

[SlamAdams]

He becomes Superman at the end of the film, he's very green. Those things will be addressed in the sequel. And I thought Meloni delivered that line well, don't know what you're talking about.

So? I wouldn't think they would ignore it. He's still responsible

 

[shauner111]

Of course he is.