Batman Begins Who still likes/thinks Begins is better than TDK?

[Travesty]

I think maybe he was just saying that with the real world enviroment that Nolan is doing that some of the lines came off as cartoony. Maybe. I don't know.

I for one don't have a big problem with cartoony if it's not over the top.

Like that scene in TDK, "Have a nice trip, see ya next fall."

I didn't mind that line, but last time I heard someone say it was in The Power Ranger's Movie haha.

LOL

 

[El Payaso]

I don't understand why this is such a factor for anybodys enjoyment of a movie. If it was as "cartoony" as B&R, then I could understand, but it was far from it. Indiana Jones has a TON of one-liners and some "cartoony" lines, but those movies aren't a disiater. If it's to cheesy, then I could agree with you, but it isn't even close to being in a "cheesy" category.

BB has those one liners and it wasn't a disaster. It was just not a great movie.

The problem is all that effort to feel and sound serious, just to ruin it now and then with some light cheese.

It's almost if you're trying to find faults in BB, just to make sure it can't be better then TDK.

I was lucky, BB's flaws jumped onto me so I didn't have to waste time finding them.

If you like TDK, then keep liking it, but don't make BB out to be some flop of a movie.

Or if you like BB, then keep liking it, but don't make a "people who liked BB over TDK" to make TDK look bad.

Thing is, in a BB vs TDK thread you have to expect some comparisons and preferences between both.

 

[El Payaso]

I think maybe he was just saying that with the real world enviroment that Nolan is doing that some of the lines came off as cartoony. Maybe. I don't know.

I was saying exactly that, Gasm.

But if I am to say something in favour of BB is that the actors were so great that all the cartoony lines were delivered in a very good way.

I for one don't have a big problem with cartoony if it's not over the top.

Same here. But for me BB's "top" was not too high, presicely because the level of seriousness was evident. So anything near cartoony really felt odd. In an average movie "Death does not wait for you to be ready! Death is not considerate" or "Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a city to destroy" or some awful "Nice coat" sound about right or expectable. In BB nevertheless they sound cartoony since it's too evident they were after being so much more serious mature and believable than that. I mean, "nice coat" really destroyed all the seriousness and epicness from the immediatelly previous "I'm Batman."

Like that scene in TDK, "Have a nice trip, see ya next fall."

I didn't mind that line, but last time I heard someone say it was in The Power Ranger's Movie haha.

Tee hee. t:

Well, Goyer had still some writing in TDK; nothing's perfect.

 

[Two-Face]

I love Batman Begins, I always wanted a movie how Bats started his war on crime but then The Dark Knight has my favourite character in it. it's hard to choose.

 

[Travesty]

Or if you like BB, then keep liking it, but don't make a "people who liked BB over TDK" to make TDK look bad.

I didn't make this thread, I'm just contributing to it. I have opinions, yes, but I can also hear what you have to say, without dismissing it by saying my opinion is "fact".

 

[El Payaso]

I didn't make this thread, I'm just contributing to it.

Yes, but if you really think that "if you like one movie, then keep liking it, but don't make another movie out to be some flop of a movie" then you might as well tell that to otehr people too. But you don't.

I have opinions, yes, but I can also hear what you have to say,

Which is what I do before replying.

I haven't replied to every pro-BB post in here.

without dismissing it by saying my opinion is "fact".

I dismiss it on base of my own ideas, not calling my opinion a fact, which I haven't done btw.

 

[maveholic31]

TDK is the better movie of the two... but personally I enjoyed watching Batman Begins while TDK as great as it was.. was just a bit too depressing to watch. In BB you got to see how Bruce Wayne triumphs in Gotham to the last moments. Whereas in TDK you see everything crumble before your eyes.

 

[The Joker]

Whereas in TDK you see everything crumble before your eyes.

One of the many reasons why I think it's the superior movie. It goes against the cliche of the hero triumphing overall.

 

[El Payaso]

One of the many reasons why I think it's the superior movie. It goes against the cliche of the hero triumphing overall.

It goes against the cliche of the hero having a triumphant point. Joker makes a better point than Batman in the end or he makes it better.

 

[ultrasuperduckman]

And ya know I'm watching TDK again today. And Bale still gives an awesome performance. I guess I just over look that sometimes because there is so much going on.

 

[Two-Face]

I think Bale was much better in Begins, don't get me wrong he was great in TDK but much better as Bruce Wayne/Batman in BB.

 

[ultrasuperduckman]

Oh, I agree. That's what I was saying all the way. But for the first time yesterday I was able to stop and see that Bale was still doing a good job in TDK with his 3 different roles of Bruce.

Sometimes it goes unnoticed with all the stuff going on in that story and Ledger's performance.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I gotta say, I just love how you guys inevitably get to decide what is and what is not 'oscar worthy' and 'cartoony' and 'bad'. When anyone else says stuff like that, ( usually about TDK) you jump on them like a sack of potatoes (ferocious, unforgiving and very stubborn potatoes might I add), however when you say such things (usually about Begins) its as if its written in stone somewhere that the definitions of 'oscar worthy' 'cartoony' and 'bad' literaly are defined by such moments in Begins.

*sigh* Thus why I don't bother with this thread anymore except for the occasional pop in to observe such non-diplomatic moments about definitions.

I'm not a fanboy. But TDK's screenplay is damn impressive. I say this after reading it more than a few times. It was also nominated by the WGA.

One thing about the direction, in BB Nolan seemed lost more than a few times. But in the TDK he was in his A game from the first frame. It is his best work as a filmmaker in every area. Especially technically. BB was unimpressive techncally while TDK is a technical marvel.(Only bested by Benjamin Button and Slumdog in it's respective year)

I wouldn't say TDK is the best summer film ever made (Empire strikes back) it definitely has the greatest screenplay.

 

[DieSmiling]

Both have their strengths and weaknesses compared with each other, and IMO both are excellent films.

The strength is Batman Begins is that it is a character driven film that is ALL ABOUT BATMAN. It's his story. I don't think there ever has been (or ever will be) another Batman movie so focused on Bruce Wayne the character. (Maybe Mask of the Phantasm comes close if we're talking about animated stuff too). It's also more well rounded and satisfying.

The strength of The Dark Knight is its visceral suspense, dark nature, and the presence of an incredible interpretation of the Joker. It defies convention and is simply a roller coaster ride that grabs you and never let go.

I think TDK is the superior film, but I think Batman Begins is incredible as well, and could certainly see why some would find it superior, particularly Batman fans.

 

[rashad]

I love them both equally. I still watch them on a regular basis.

 

[Travesty]

I love them both equally. I still watch them on a regular basis from time to time.

LOL, do you watch them from "time to time", or do you watch them on a regular basis?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I think TDK is the better made movie. But I find Begins a more "enjoyable" watch. I have to be in the mood to watch TDK, I can't just slap it on, sit down and watch it. Whereas with Begins I find it easier to watch.

 

[Batman137]

a couple scenes in TDK ruined it for me to be a better movie.

-the beginning with the fake batmen. just seemed like a really lame idea.

-rachel in bruce's penthouse. there was no emotion. Begins you could feel the emotion between the two characters.

-the dance club. cool idea. Just done very poorly. And I can't get past Maroni's wifes wig.

 

[david icke]

a couple scenes in TDK ruined it for me to be a better movie.

-the beginning with the fake batmen. just seemed like a really lame idea.

I'm surprised you didn't like that, or at least feel it was something that could happen and made sense. It's kind of like the sons of batman in TDKR.

-rachel in bruce's penthouse. there was no emotion. Begins you could feel the emotion between the two characters.

this is something I have to agree with. I am glad that KH was replaced as I just can't see her handling all the courtcase stuff or having chemostry with Dent as good as MG did. But, the relationship with Bruce would have felt better being carried through from the first movie with the same actress, and yeah her chemistry with Bruce at the end of Begins was better than in that scene you mentioned.

-the dance club. cool idea. Just done very poorly. And I can't get past Maroni's wifes wig.

She was on a uk teen soap ,hollyoaks, for years and years, she always had long blonde hair, hence I didn't notice that was a wig.

The only thing that makes Begins a worse watch for me is the climactic battle, it's alright, but far from as good as what has come previous. Although it does have it's good moments, Batman being seen under fear gas by the citizens being one.
Otherwise I'd say it was as good as TDK.

i.e. Even though there wasn't as good a villan in Begins, fully developed in depth Batman origin = Batman vs Joker

 

[CConn]

B89, TDK, and BF are all better than BB.

By a lot.

 

[Batman137]

your kidding right?

 

[Fresh Prince]

B89, TDK, and BF are all better than BB.

By a lot.

I agree with B89 and TDK, but BF? No!

BF is too cheesy at times, with only a few dark spots. Two Face and Riddler suck in these movies, and the fight scenes suck in BF. BB fight scenes are better then that.

Plus they did not use Gordon right, and Dr. Chase acted like a horny school girl. Overall it was an average movie.

 

[Kane52630]

this is how i see it

Batman 89, good
Batman Returns, great sequel

Batman Forever, doesnt compete with the first 2
Batman & Robin, ugh *throws up*

Batman Begins, redeems itself and is better than BF, B&R, and Batman 89
The Dark Knight, better than all previous versions of Batman and a great sequel

 

[El Payaso]

B89, TDK, and BF are all better than BB.

By a lot.

B89 and TDK I agree. They're better.

BF in no case and if it would be, then not by much.

 

[Two-Face]

BF is better than BB?? is this a joke?