Who Was The Green Goblin?

Who Was The Green Goblin?

  • Norman Osborn... bastard set his son up.

  • Harry Osborn... accept things at face value.


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Shouldn't Harry have a healing factor too then?
 
Shouldn't Harry have a healing factor too then?

That would be assuming Norman and Harry have been taking the same formula. Norman could have given his soon the test version, saw that it didn't work, and used an improved version.
 
Well, Harry's formula does work : an A at all his tests, in the football team, super-strength at the end of the episode, etc. Besides, if Norman had a healing factor he knew about, wouldn't he have simply waited for his leg to heal instead of fleeing???
 
We're all assuming that the Goblin at the plant, whoever he was, actually was hurt banging his leg on the roof. Didn't he do it AFTER Spidey said Norman Osborn's name? What if it was all part of the ruse? What if he faked the limp, knowing it'd make it easier to frame Harry or someone else afterwards?
 
That's why I believe Norman faked a leg injury so he could frame Harry. Either Norman broke his leg when he got home or Harry's leg was already broken from a previous accident.
 
What if he faked the limp, knowing it'd make it easier to frame Harry or someone else afterwards?

Her... you DO realise that GG was actually really keen on murdering Spider-Man, right??? Why would he suddenly stop for no reason just to frame someone else??? It doesn't make any sense, even for the Goblin!
 
Yeah, seeing as how he did such a bang-up job of killing Spidey before, right? He knew he'd been caught red handed the minute Spidey called him Norman and he knew he had to throw him off his scent. I'm not saying this is what happened, just saying it's possible.

Everything's still possible at this point.
 
He actually kicked Spidey's ass pretty good that episode, and if he wouldn't have been really injured, he could've kept going after the one Pumpkin Bomb.

Also, what does it really matter if Spidey knows who he really is? He also knows who the big man is, yet he can't do anything against him.
 
I'm not really bothered who the goblin is...

if it's harry, good work....

If it's norman, good work

if it was harry sometimes and norman other times, good work

if it was osborn controlling harry, good work...

ultimately they all lead to decent chracter developments so....

although it would be cool to see harry kill gwen on the roof, then die and have norman come after parker for 'killing his son'. Probably a much more sinister twist on the original but at the cost of harry's overall redemption at the end. A small price to pay...
 
He knew he'd been caught red handed the minute Spidey called him Norman and he knew he had to throw him off his scent.

Isn'tto simply kill him the best way to throw him off his scent??? He seemed pretty confident about doing it in the whole episode...
 
Yeah, seeing as how he did such a bang-up job of killing Spidey before, right? He knew he'd been caught red handed the minute Spidey called him Norman and he knew he had to throw him off his scent. I'm not saying this is what happened, just saying it's possible.

Everything's still possible at this point.
then again the goblin laughed at spidey when he called him norman so it could actually be harry laughing at the fact the spidey thinks he is norman.
andwhat if all the "clues" that point to norman just be somthing the writers did to confuse us. I'm sorry but i think Harry is the goblin after all he preview said "Who is the GG? the answer may shock u. find out in today's episode of the SS" so more than likely harry could be the GG. I mean montanna was shocker why not have harry be GG 1?
 
And I think it also fits well with the scene of Gwen wondering where Harry and Peter are, and the next scene you see Spidey and GG at each other's throat.

I wouldn't mind if Harry was the first GG and they went with the best friends and enemies angle.
 
I think now there is no question who the real Goblin was and who Norman at Oscorp was! It's pointless to even think that Harry was the Goblin.
Nevertheless, as was stated before, because of good character development it doesn't matter in a way. If Harry was the Goblin, and if he doesn't put on the mask anymore, but just die in the future because of the formula... then Norman's revenge against Spider-Man and everyone he loves would make more sinister Norman... but that's not the case, because Norman IS the Goblin! That was just what if... :)
 
I don't have a problem with Harry as the GG - I think things were set up well for that explanation.

But I think it's Norman. I'm convinced that the Chameleon was posing as Norman when the GG attacked Osborn Industries at the same time "Norman" was there. While that doesn't completely discount Harry as the Goblin in that scene, it casts enough doubt; and I don't think the writers would screw with us like that only so that in the end Harry really does end up as the Goblin - it would piss people off too much.
 
I think people are overthinking this to make it true. I just don't see them saying that Norman injured Harry's leg, gave him a test version of the formula, but still a formula that made him super strong and super smart.

And you say that Harry's a moron or not smart enough to design the Gobling gear - the chemicals he was drinking made him extremely smart as well, he was getting perfect grades.

I think it would be cool for it to have been Norman all along, but it's doubtful.
 
That would be assuming Norman and Harry have been taking the same formula. Norman could have given his soon the test version, saw that it didn't work, and used an improved version.
That's exactly what I think. Norman could have been working on that formula inside that secret room and finished it, but for some reason kept the unfinished version.
 
So, who was the Green Goblin? Is the mystery over?

I still say that it was, indeed, Norman Osborn. Poor Harry was set up.

Wrong, Harry was the Goblin.

* When the Goblin stole the tech-flight glider from OsCorp, it didn't have the bat-head designed to fire pumpkin bombs and extend a spear on it yet.

Harry does not have the technical know-how to add on a feature like that. Norman does. Or the expertise to add that Inhibitor cannon to it. Harry's a moron.

Wait, how the hell do you know that? For all you know, all you have to do is replace missiles with pumpkin bombs.
And did you miss the part where Harry talked about becoming smarter because of the Globulin?

* If Harry were the Green Goblin, he would have attacked the Fall Formal instead of going after Tombstone.

Problems with your father far outweigh stupid silly childish problems. Harry has always tried to please his father. Looking good in his father's eyes is more important that getting with Gloria. As far as I'm concerned, he tried to salvage what was left of the night by doing his father's biddings. Why would he attack the very people he wants to be cool with, as seen in future episodes.

* How would Harry even have access to the Globulin Green in the first place?

I don't know, he LIVES with the person who makes it? You want to tell me you didn't know where your dad hid stuff when you were a kid?

* Why would Harry attempt to kill Octavius? Norman knew Otto was a liability, Hammerhead said so in "The Invisible Hand". Norman berated Otto for being a weak man. Then he dressed up as the Goblin so he would have an alibi to show Hammerhead.

Again, Harry constantly hears his dad whining about his problems. Harry acted on it.

* The Green Goblin and Norman Osborn both had the same safety key for Otto's experiment.

Harry took the key from Norman.

* The Big Man was only ever referred to as "Mr. Lincoln" by Norman once and that was in the underground lab while Rhino was being created. Harry could not have overheard that.

Again, this is pretty much a case of what Norman knows, his son knows.

* Norman Osborn just so happens to have a secret chamber, which we never saw the inside of. Where's Harry keeping the glider and equipment... not under his bed. For that matter, stealing one or two vials of Globulin Green, I can buy... but we've seen Harry drink from too many.

Um, Harry's keeping the equipment in the secret chamber? This is the house he's been living in for who knows how long. You think he doesn't know how to get in the secret chamber to use equipment and formulas?

* Norman's knowing smirk at the end of "Reaction" about unmasking the Goblin before it's too late.

He knows Harry is the Goblin? Know he won't get fingered.

* Peter tipped his hand, told the Goblin he figured out who he was. The Goblin knew Spidey would be coming to the Osborn residence.

Yeah, this definitely means Norman is the Goblin.

* Harry in "Goblin mode" didn't admit to anything except taking the drug. To be the son Norman always wanted. A straight A student and a star athlete.
The son he always wanted includes being GG. I guess he should've written a full confession for Spider-Man and his dad, even though the picture told 1000 words.

* Norman is thrown twenty feet up a wall by Harry and is uninjured.

Anyone could be thrown halfway across the room and be fine. Capt Stacy for example got kicked clear across the room.

It doesn't take super strength to take a fall, but it DOES take Super strength for you to NOT squeal when you get your hands squeezed by the Goblin, which Norman did.

* Refineries like that don't exist in Manhattan, it looks like Elizabeth, NJ... right across the Hudson River. The Goblin can fly directly over that, Spidey needs to take a detour. Enough to give Norman plenty of time to slip off the costume, injure a tripped out Harry's leg and place the costume on his son.
This is Spider-Man we are talking about. He can swing over a hundreds miles an hr, catapult himself using his webs, run faster than GG, leap dozens of feet in the air. There's even a bridge connecting those areas.

* Why would the Goblin just unmask like that in front of Spider-Man? If it were Harry, and the Green made him more intelligent, he would not have gone home that night.

He got owned by Spider-Man and needed air to breathe. Didn't you hear him gasping?

* And it was Norman himself who rationalized it all at the end (a very rehearsed sounding explanation). Then offered to take he fall.

Norman is the Goblin and the mystery is far from over.

Yeah, rehearsed explanation for when Harry eventually got caught. I agree Norman is not innocent in all this, but he definitely wasn't the one SM fought that night.

The whole abusing his son while he was asleep sounds absurd.

If this was a court, your case would be thrown out. None of that is solid evidence. I'll tell you what solid evidence is, the fact the SM injured Goblin's leg, and Harry, NOT his dad, was limping. No way Norman is limping like an injured mule, then 5 min later he's perfectly composed. He's not Wolverine.


I'm glad you made this thread, I can come back and gloat at all the people who think Harry is completely innocent in all this.
 
Harry is not the Goblin. Trust me, he's not the Goblin. You're actually falling for Norman's ruse.


And your "Spidey can swing 100 mph" **** is spoken like someone who knows nothing about NYC's geography. I've only lived there all my life. What do I know.

As for Norman not limping... he survived getting impaled. Goblin healing factor. Then he sneaks in and breaks his son's leg while he's out cold.

Not to mention, Harry in the costume looked smaller than the Goblin we've previously been seeing.

Also, Greg Weisman is a terrific writer. If Harry knew Tombstone was the Big Man, Greg would have had Norman identify him at the apartment while talking to Hammerhead, not the lab.

I know Greg, I know how he writes. This is the guy who created and wrote David Xanatos.

And as for your "if this were a trial" comment, apparently forty people were swayed, and six people who have no grasp of story telling and mysteries weren't.

I'm willing to dress up like a cheerleader if I'm wrong if you are ;)
 
* The Green Goblin and Norman Osborn both had the same safety key for Otto's experiment.

That is non valid at all : Octavius left the key on the board before going in the room for his experiment, and the Green Goblin just reinserted the key to start the experiment, he didn't have one prior. And you would expect Norman, as the head of the company, to have this kind of key on him.
 
Those who believe Harry was the one and only Goblin are--perhaps purposely--ignoring the scene where Norman himself sets eyes on the Green Goblin because it casts a large shadow over their theory.

The prevailing belief is that Norman was the Goblin and Chameleon was Norman. It would explain Goblin's WTF look when he saw his reflection walking down the hallway. However, accepting this theory, fueled by the fact that Quentin Beck mentioned that Chameleon has recently disguised himself as a certain "captain of industry" in the following episode, would also be accepting that Norman was in the suit the entire time.

Another theory concerning that scene, a theory I came up with before switching to SF's theory, is that Norman manipulated his son into wearing the Goblin suit for that once scene only in order to throw off suspicion. Once again, this theory comes with the understanding that Norman has always been in the suit. This theory also explains Goblin's weird facial expression. Harry's not dangerous, but he is deranged.

Every scene is in this show for a reason. This scene is constantly ignored, however unfairly, when it is clearly one of the most important parts of the argument. I've hardly ever read a Spider-Man comic book, and therefore not a purist, but I firmly believe that Norman is the Green Goblin.
 
What is shown so far is that Harry is the only Goblin. I like it, so I defend it. If it appears to be Norman : fine, I won't complain, it would still be good, even if I would be a little bit disappointed. But for the present time, I believe it's Harry and will continue to defend it.
 
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