Infinity War Who will die in Infinity war Part 1 and 2

[SteveRogers41]

Dude, I really think you are missing the point. The question was not about Steve putting himself over the mission. He can still fight Thanos, side by side Tony as Nomad. But the essential reason of becoming Nomad remains as long as the Accords & Earth for that matter remains.

You are missing the point & what the original statement was about Ross & the Accords. I don't think it necessary for Steve to be killed as Cap to tie up some loose end...in the circumstance of the films, it disregards his stance. Some things does not have to have a clean ending as that character evolve.

No way the general audience would go for that. No way. I'm part of the general audience and there is no way *I'd* go for it. The Russos have stated that they went Nomad to deconstruct the character. Well, he needs to be reconstructed, otherwise it will feel unfinished.

I'm not backing down on this, there is pretty much nothing you can do or say that will change my mind.

 

[SteveRogers41]

I'm going to just finish and say, I see no universe where you will be right. It's bad writing to not have Rogers and Stark patch things up and to have Steve reclaim the shield. So, I guess we're just going to have to disagree on this one then. I would not want to see Peter Parker die as Prodigy, which is exactly what you're suggesting. Sorry, it's crap, imo. Can't sugar coat my feelings on that, lol.

I agree with you 100%.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I'm going to just finish and say, I see no universe where you will be right. It's bad writing to not have Rogers and Stark patch things up and to have Steve reclaim the shield. So, I guess we're just going to have to disagree on this one then. I would not want to see Peter Parker die as Prodigy, which is exactly what you're suggesting. Sorry, it's crap, imo. Can't sugar coat my feelings on that, lol.

LoL...I just don't see it being necessary base on the cirvumstance that got him to this point; but respectfully, to each their own.

 

[MbJ]

Gotta admit, Strange's death would definitely accomplish that. But I'll grant you that he is not the only one who's death would accomplish surprise.

By the same logic you already used, if Strange were gonna die, Cumberbatch wouldn't have been allowed to say he wasn't sure if the movie was getting a sequel, because that'd tip people off he was gonna die.

Sometimes fans have these super elaborate theories about misdirects or subterfuge, and it turns out that it was just what it looked like from the beginning. A bunch of people kept insisting that Marvel was playing some sort of brilliant mind game by putting War Machine's Civil War injury in the trailer because that meant the audience wouldn't really think he'd die, meaning they'd be doubly surprised when he actually did die. And no, it just turned out Rhodey didn't die.

 

[SteveRogers41]

By the same logic you already used, if Strange were gonna die, Cumberbatch wouldn't have been allowed to say he wasn't sure if the movie was getting a sequel, because that'd tip people off he was gonna die.

Sometimes fans have these super elaborate theories about misdirects or subterfuge, and it turns out that it was just what it looked like from the beginning. A bunch of people kept insisting that Marvel was playing some sort of brilliant mind game by putting War Machine's Civil War injury in the trailer because that meant the audience wouldn't really think he'd die, meaning they'd be doubly surprised when he actually did die. And no, it just turned out Rhodey didn't die.

And sometimes Marvel edits out an eye from a trailer in order to generate surprise.

Chris Evans made the statement in an interview not too long ago, something along the lines of "The Russos are really trying to surprise the audience with this one, they want it to have that old school feeling of being surprised by a movie" and Markus and McFeely flat-out stated that based on the rumors and things they've read online, no one has accurately guessed the content of Avengers 4. The Russos also stated that they deliberately shot scenes that had nothing to do with either film just to throw people off. So all of those statements, in conjunction, lead me to believe that they do in fact want the audience to be surprised and that any obvious choices are not going to be the answer.

Chris Evans has also stated that he read the whole script. He's one of the very few that Marvel/Feige let do it. Why? Obviously they trusted him not to spill in a way that they didn't trust hardly anyone else. Do you honestly think then that he'd be allowed to give away his characters' death in the New York Times one month before the movie comes out?! I mean, come on!!! No way.

 

[Venom'sDad]

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[SteveRogers41]

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Same with Downey as with Evans. Deflection. Vague wording. Until I see otherwise, onscreen, there is no way I'm believing that Marvel would have allowed their two biggest stars to genuinely spill a characters' death before the movie comes out. Not with how secretive they've been throughout this project. When you're only giving most of your stars one or two pages of script, and filming scenes that have nothing to do with the movie just to throw people off the scent, you're not going to let Chris Evans announce to the New York Times, nor Robert Downey Jr. announce to Empire that one of the largest and most popular characters is biting the dust. That's just not going to happen.

But whatever, we'll see in about a month, wont we?

And I stand by my original statement, if they kill Steve as Nomad, without him picking up the Cap mantle again, I will be severely disgusted with the MCU. And I know for a fact that I wont be the only one.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I so feel like Cap dying is a giant red herring so when he doesn't die, everyone is shocked, LOL!

Once again, we have no interview that says "Cap dies" or anything. All they're saying is no one is sure Evans will come back after Avengers 4. How is this anything we didn't already know? Besides, even if he doesn't, it doesn't instantly mean Cap dies. He could get on off-screen role in the MCU (and leave the door open for a later comeback if he so chooses), or it's just a massive troll. Again, we just don't know. Marvel is being tight lipped about phase 4 to keep suspense and our interest. These interviews about Cumberbatch not knowing when Dr. Strange 2 is filming or if it even will, Evans saying he may leave, RDJ saying he wants to hang up the jersey before it's embarrassing, etc. It all amounts to meaning nothing. These actors, unless they're dumb like Holland is at times, are trained to answer questions vaguely.

Only thing that will count in the end is how the movie plays out and what we learn when people see it.

 

[KevTravels]

Time travel outside of Back to the Future always seems very IFFY. Star Trek went to that well way too many times.

Hopefully the Russo's can present it in a clear form that doesn't scream "yeah it's from a comic book"

 

[MbJ]

Do you honestly think then that he'd be allowed to give away his characters' death in the New York Times one month before the movie comes out?! I mean, come on!!! No way.

I really don't think that's confirming his character died. It could mean he retired. It could mean they'll recast the part. We don't know. But when we have other actors expressing uncertainty about what comes next for their characters, I don't think that's a huge spoiler. They've already confirmed we're saying goodbye to some characters here.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Steve comes back, returns as Captain America, and dies in a heroic way in A4. I can see that happening.

Chris Evans has been wanting out for some time.

I don't see Gamora dying. She is a lead character in Guardians (one of the primary 2). Nebula is way more likely.

I agree. I think Nebula will die but I think she's going to take out Proxima Midnight on the way out.

I don't know, look at the arc they set up or are setting up, she's the favorite daughter, showing her backstory in flashbacks, even teasing with that Logan poster homage. They're doing that for a reason, to have her death more impactful to Thanos and to the audiences.

I could be wrong, but if they're going to have Thanos be impacted by a death, it's going to be her.

 

[SteveRogers41]

I really don't think that's confirming his character died. It could mean he retired. It could mean they'll recast the part. We don't know. But when we have other actors expressing uncertainty about what comes next for their characters, I don't think that's a huge spoiler. They've already confirmed we're saying goodbye to some characters here.

Well, when Tom Holland, Anthony Mackie and Sebastian Stan are telling people that armed guards only brought the pages of script that their characters have lines in, and sat there and watched over them while they read them, then made them return them, I just don't think Marvel is giving away *anything*. Whatever deaths are happening, and of course some are, they are not going to divulge it. No way.

Even Feige himself said that not all character trajectories end in death. In fact he specifically brought up the Star Trek: the Next Generation series finale as reference. As a life-long Trekkie AND Trekker, let me tell you how that show ended. Picard joined the rest of the senior crew in their weakly poker game, owning up to the fact that he should have done it years ago. That's it, that's how that show ended. No one died. He just had a come-to-jesus moment where he realized he'd been stand-offish with his crew, had kept himself separate on purpose and that he really shouldn't have. He realized that he didn't have to be standoffish to be a good Captain.

That analogy could extend to either Steve or Tony. Steve finally realizing that he does have a home in the 21st century and he's been holding on to the past to his own detriment and it was long past time to let it go. Or Tony realizing that he should have played poker with his crew a long time ago instead of mostly just quipping at them.

Chris and Robert said what they did because Marvel wanted them to, simple as that. Because everyone has assumed since before even Civil War came out that because Fallen Son was a comic that Cap's death was bound to happen in the MCU, too, so meanwhile, while everyone is so sure that it's going to be Cap kicking the bucket, they're not bothering to look elsewhere. It's a simple but very effective means of deflection.

Until I see Cap's death onscreen, with my own eyes, this is what I firmly believe. Plus, as I've stated before, I feel that Cap's arc is nowhere close to finished. They started the Nomad storyline, they need to finish it.

 

[Spider-Fan]

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I don't know, look at the arc they set up or are setting up, she's the favorite daughter, showing her backstory in flashbacks, even teasing with that Logan poster homage. They're doing that for a reason, to have her death more impactful to Thanos and to the audiences.

I could be wrong, but if they're going to have Thanos be impacted by a death, it's going to be her.

They're setting up a confrontation between Nebula and Thanos in the end. I don't think Gamora can be killed because her relationship with Starlord is a focal point of the Guardians films. Plus, I think Nebula sacrificing herself for her sister is a stronger end, and heck, it could be Nebula who beats Thanos. I think that is more properly developed (no one hated Thanos more than Nebula) and just in the end fits better.

 

[MbJ]

Even Feige himself said that not all character trajectories end in death. In fact he specifically brought up the Star Trek: the Next Generation series finale as reference.

I'm aware of Star Trek. Which does not preclude Cap retiring, which I just said was another possibility.

They started the Nomad storyline, they need to finish it.

Which they'll likely do in Avengers 4.

 

[Web-Head]

I still think Drax is one who'll die. Especially since Gunn has sorta hinted at that.

 

[Joefixit]

Well, when Tom Holland, Anthony Mackie and Sebastian Stan are telling people that armed guards only brought the pages of script that their characters have lines in, and sat there and watched over them while they read them, then made them return them, I just don't think Marvel is giving away *anything*. Whatever deaths are happening, and of course some are, they are not going to divulge it. No way.

Even Feige himself said that not all character trajectories end in death. In fact he specifically brought up the Star Trek: the Next Generation series finale as reference. As a life-long Trekkie AND Trekker, let me tell you how that show ended. Picard joined the rest of the senior crew in their weakly poker game, owning up to the fact that he should have done it years ago. That's it, that's how that show ended. No one died. He just had a come-to-jesus moment where he realized he'd been stand-offish with his crew, had kept himself separate on purpose and that he really shouldn't have. He realized that he didn't have to be standoffish to be a good Captain.

That analogy could extend to either Steve or Tony. Steve finally realizing that he does have a home in the 21st century and he's been holding on to the past to his own detriment and it was long past time to let it go. Or Tony realizing that he should have played poker with his crew a long time ago instead of mostly just quipping at them.

Chris and Robert said what they did because Marvel wanted them to, simple as that. Because everyone has assumed since before even Civil War came out that because Fallen Son was a comic that Cap's death was bound to happen in the MCU, too, so meanwhile, while everyone is so sure that it's going to be Cap kicking the bucket, they're not bothering to look elsewhere. It's a simple but very effective means of deflection.

Until I see Cap's death onscreen, with my own eyes, this is what I firmly believe. Plus, as I've stated before, I feel that Cap's arc is nowhere close to finished. They started the Nomad storyline, they need to finish it.

I agree with you. I think that neither cap nor stark will die for the simple fact that if they do, the cinematic universe implodes on itself!! It’s not an avengers film without those two and the gq audience would balk at Captiain Marvel or anyone else leading the Avengers. Black Panther is the most over character in the world right now, and I don’t think he could pull that off.

They are not that crazy to kill off their money makers. I keep predicting they will seriously alter them by changing the landscape and taking those close to them away , but they aren’t going to permanently remove them. They are losing money ( and lots of it if they do). Downey Jr. is this generation’s Christopher reve .. He is taylor made for the part. Marvel will probably retire them, but they won’t kill them. They get to much of a raitings boost if the trot either one or both out down the line. They could do the time travel thing to bring one back, but then they will have effectively jumped the shark and lose half their audience.

Star Wars May have learned that lesson the hard way, 20 plus years after Jedi and they kill Luke ( who’s not even a main character anymore ) and they faced tons of backlash with most fans saying that was the worst Star Wars film of all time. Now just think of the back lash if they kill off both these characters (for good) in their prime.. like you said, I will believe it when I see it.

 

[parkerpete]

I agree with you. I think that neither cap nor stark will die for the simple fact that if they do, the cinematic universe implodes on itself!! It’s not an avengers film without those two and the gq audience would balk at Captiain Marvel or anyone else leading the Avengers. Black Panther is the most over character in the world right now, and I don’t think he could pull that off.

They are not that crazy to kill off their money makers. I keep predicting they will seriously alter them by changing the landscape and taking those close to them away , but they aren’t going to permanently remove them. They are losing money ( and lots of it if they do). Downey Jr. is this generation’s Christopher reve .. He is taylor made for the part. Marvel will probably retire them, but they won’t kill them. They get to much of a raitings boost if the trot either one or both out down the line. They could do the time travel thing to bring one back, but then they will have effectively jumped the shark and lose half their audience.

Star Wars May have learned that lesson the hard way, 20 plus years after Jedi and they kill Luke ( who’s not even a main character anymore ) and they faced tons of backlash with most fans saying that was the worst Star Wars film of all time. Now just think of the back lash if they kill off both these characters (for good) in their prime.. like you said, I will believe it when I see it.

Actors don't want to play the same part forever-- especially one that they're going to age out of anyway. And fans don't write the movies. Nor should they-- there's a reason why fanfic always feels shallow, undisciplined and predictable compared to stuff written by a professional.

A lot of Star Wars fans are crazy and they simply can't accept ANYTHING that deviates from their entitled wish lists. Look, I'm not really a big fan of TLJ. It has a lot of problems. But killing Luke isn't one of them. I can understand why people might not like how he was treated as a character, but expecting Mark Hamill to keep returning to the role well past his 60's, and ignoring the new trilogy as an opportunity to provide a conclusive end to his story is just dumb.

I love Chris Evans as Cap, he's my favorite MCU character, but I absolutely prefer him to die meaningfully than continue on in a franchise without any real life-or-death stakes. I would actually feel cheated if Marvel didn't kill at least one of the core three.

 

[Joefixit]

Actors don't want to play the same part forever-- especially one that they're going to age out of anyway. And fans don't write the movies. Nor should they-- there's a reason why fanfic always feels shallow, undisciplined and predictable compared to stuff written by a professional.

A lot of Star Wars fans are crazy and they simply can't accept ANYTHING that deviates from their entitled wish lists. Look, I'm not really a big fan of TLJ. It has a lot of problems. But killing Luke isn't one of them. I can understand why people might not like how he was treated as a character, but expecting Mark Hamill to keep returning to the role well past his 60's, and ignoring the new trilogy as an opportunity to provide a conclusive end to his story is just dumb.

I love Chris Evans as Cap, he's my favorite MCU character, but I absolutely prefer him to die meaningfully than continue on in a franchise without any real life-or-death stakes. I would actually feel cheated if Marvel didn't kill at least one of the core three.

You’re right, fans don’t write the movies, but supply and demand is very real. And studios are in this thing to make money, plain and simple! They have caught lightening in a bottle, and while you’re right they can’t play them forever, they are not going to bring them to a definitive end. They don’t have to return to the role, but the characters still need to be out there in order to drum up excitement should they need to go to the cash cow ala Star Wars with the new series.

Fans identify with those two actors in those roles, and while true they may not want to do them forever, I’m betting they still would like the option to reprise them, rather than end it all together. I get what you want in a meaningful death, but again studios are driven by what makes money. It’s not just the role itself, but the character in the role. How many years did it take of failures after Keaton left the Batman role before Bale took over and reinvigorated the Batman movies, or Reeve with Superman.

Those are Iconic actors in those roles and marvel is smart, they aren’t going to do anything to harm their cash cow. And while they are universe building, I’m sure they would like to retain the choice should they see fit, to bring those characters back in order to get over a new hero or to get you excited for a big film down the line.

Again, I could be wrong, but my guess is they will bring closure , but that’s not necessarily going to mean death, nor should it.

Btw: Star Wars had a definitive end! It was Return of the Jedi! It was the light to empire’s dark and it wrapped up the series nicely. There was no need for a new trilogy other than to make money. They knew by seeing those familiar faces in those roles would put buts in seats and they were right!! I’m betting marvel understands that as well. As a Spider-Man fan, I’m assuming you understand how that feels as well. Tobey McGuire was a great Spider-Man, and some 14 years later you finally have an opportunity to replace him in that role.

 

[parkerpete]

You’re right about studios wanting to make money, but Feige and co. Are smart enough to know that if none of their A-list dies in this massive event movie after teasing major consequences for so long, the audience will turn on them because it will become clear that Marvel movies will never commit to real stakes, even in their once-in-a-generation mega-2-part blockbuster event. People WILL tune out. Evans and Downey are leaving and Marvel would be smart to make one of those departures really count in a final way. Besides, they can always return in flashbacks/prequels/time-travel/multiverse stories.

 

[Delwin]

Chris Evans is not coming back after A4 so some kind of the ending is required. Unfortunately his (or RDJ) death and other ones retirement would be "logical" from artistic perspective (kill all the characters people like and claim it to be artistic).

I agree though that removing both Cap and IM from the picture permanently for next Phase might be risky for MCU. Frankly speaking I am not sure whether any of the remaining heroes can keep the franchise live enough. OK, DS looks a bit like IM replacement but neither BP or SM is able to fit in the Cap's shoes. We have not seen Captain Marvel in action yet so it might be her to take the mantle. She fits description as idealistic soldier...

 

[Eldenfirefly]

Killing off Cap America and Iron man might be risky, but it would be worth it. Stakes need to be high in Infinity War. This is the two part conclusion to the end of a 20 movie arc. MCU is in a good place now. They got lots more new superheroes and new actors and actresses they can bring to the table. And let's not forget about Xmen. When X-men returns to the Marvel fold, imagine how much it will add to the Marvel universe.

Other franchises worry about putting old existing heroes into the pasture. Marvel universe is the franchise which should be the least concerned about such a problem. They have shown that everything they touch turns to gold. They can make any superhero movie into a hit. And they got lots more waiting to come in. So, I wouldn't worry about Ironman, Thor or Cap America dying. In fact, I would love it if they did die. Shows that Marvel dares to truly up the stakes in their finale infinity war saga.

What kind of war and universe ending threat would it be if nobody died? Answer, a weak one.

 

[Spider-Fan]

You’re right about studios wanting to make money, but Feige and co. Are smart enough to know that if none of their A-list dies in this massive event movie after teasing major consequences for so long, the audience will turn on them because it will become clear that Marvel movies will never commit to real stakes, even in their once-in-a-generation mega-2-part blockbuster event. People WILL tune out. Evans and Downey are leaving and Marvel would be smart to make one of those departures really count in a final way. Besides, they can always return in flashbacks/prequels/time-travel/multiverse stories.

Eh, I don't think many in the general public care if Marvel decides to not kill Cap or Iron Man. Some people on here may care, but overall, I don't think it would hurt business at all.

 

[NotNickFury]

Okay, I'm confused- is there any character that people feel actually will die between these two films? Because it seems there's umpteenth explanations or excuses that resonate as to why a predicted character should live instead. They should just retire, Clint should be with his family, they should ride off into the sunset with the door open for them to return, Gamora's integral to the Guardians, killing Cap or Tony would be too risky, and so on.

So any character that people feel actually will be removed from the equation without inserting a 'Well, maybe' after that?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Okay, I'm confused- is there any character that people feel actually will die between these two films? Because it seems there's umpteenth explanations or excuses that resonate as to why a predicted character should live instead. They should just retire, Clint should be with his family, they should ride off into the sunset with the door open for them to return, Gamora's integral to the Guardians, killing Cap or Tony would be too risky, and so on.

So any character that people feel actually will be removed from the equation without inserting a 'Well, maybe' after that?

I think that is part of the fun! Trying to guess who is the most logical choice.

 

[SteveRogers41]

Okay, I'm confused- is there any character that people feel actually will die between these two films? Because it seems there's umpteenth explanations or excuses that resonate as to why a predicted character should live instead. They should just retire, Clint should be with his family, they should ride off into the sunset with the door open for them to return, Gamora's integral to the Guardians, killing Cap or Tony would be too risky, and so on.

So any character that people feel actually will be removed from the equation without inserting a 'Well, maybe' after that?

To answer your question: I think Loki is toast. Because of this line from Avengers 2012...

"If you fail, if the Tesseract is kept from us, there will be no realm, no barren moon, no crevasse where I can't find you. You think you know pain? He will make you long for that so sweet as pain."

I also think Drax is a goner because of this leaked scene here that that AscendedAncient person leaked before the first trailer was released...

Leaked
Scene

So those two characters I feel are probably going to meet their end.

...Still don't think Cap is going to, though.