Infinity War Who will die in Infinity war Part 1 and 2

[Venom'sDad]

In this scenario, I imagine more than just Cap would die. Possibly Thor, etc. also. I don't see Tony if he has the chance to save everyone not doing so. I see him sacrificing himself while saving everyone, and undoing as many of the deaths as he is able. I mean, why would he be able to potentially restore however much of a % of the universe Thanos wipes out, but the Avengers he kills...no can't undo those! Wouldn't make much sense. I agree, Thanos will win...likely have the gauntlet, end half the universe, etc. There we agree, but ultimately, I see in this scenario many of the deaths being undone once Thanos loses the gauntlet.

Im not saying he cant undue what was done....you're not hearing me. There may be consequences for doing such a thing...however large or small. Again, consequences are involved....that may be a huge factor in what may transpire.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Im not saying he cant undue what was done....you're not hearing me. There may be consequences for doing such a thing...however large or small. Again, consequences are involved....that may be a huge factor.

I hear you, but it gets murky is my point. We cannot leave half the universe dead, so that means whatever Thanos does will have to be largely undone. I also get you don't want to cheapen the stakes, either. But, explaining why almost everyone save 1 or 2 people (or whatever number) cannot be resurrected will be tough to do (at least without it being convoluted).

 

[Venom'sDad]

I hear you, but it gets murky is my point. We cannot leave half the universe dead, so that means whatever Thanos does will have to be largely undone. I also get you don't want to cheapen the stakes, either. But, explaining why almost everyone save 1 or 2 people (or whatever number) cannot be resurrected will be tough to do (at least without it being convoluted).

Well, if such a scenario was to happen, we wont know what the consequences are for undoing the deaths of half the Universe, until it is reveal to Tony, exactly what that means. It may be something much more grave than just returning half the Universe....i think a little hence to that may be reveal in AM&W. At this point, we are trying to make sense out of speculation of A4 when we have yet to see exactly what happens in IW.

That's the Beauty of it All......the story telling is plentiful, with so many possibilities.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Well, if such a scenario was to happen, we wont know what the consequences are for undoing the deaths of half the Universe, until it is reveal to Tony, exactly what that means. It may be something much more grave than just returning half the Universe....i think a little hence to that may be reveal in AM&W. At this point, we are trying to make sense out of speculation of A4 when we have yet to see exactly what happens in IW.

That's the Beauty of it All......the story telling is plentiful, with so many possibilities.

I don't think AM&W will reveal the cost. More likely I think that will be established within A4 itself, but probably will be foreshadowed fairly early in the movie. I just don't see the Russos wanting the key to Thanos being beaten spelled out before Avengers 4. But, somehow the multiverse will factor in, that much I think we can assume.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I don't think AM&W will reveal the cost. More likely I think that will be established within A4 itself, but probably will be foreshadowed fairly early in the movie. I just don't see the Russos wanting the key to Thanos being beaten spelled out before Avengers 4. But, somehow the multiverse will factor in, that much I think we can assume.

Oh...i dont mean in that circumstances...i meant when they find Janet, there may be a hint to the problematic of changing things, space/time if you will, on the Quantum level....thats all.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Oh...i dont mean in that circumstances...i meant when they find Janet, there may be a hint to the problematic of changing things, space/time if you will, on the Quantum level....thats all.

Hmmmmm....this is possible

 

[SteveRogers41]

So I've been pondering this thread in my head as I've worked today and I remembered something. In Dr. Strange there was reference to the staff of the Living Tribunal. The Living Tribunal (being) is the only thing, in the comics, more powerful than the Infinity Gauntlet.

And the Living Tribunal had a big part to play in the Infinity War comics. In fact, he was the one who deemed that Adam Warlock was too unstable to wield the gauntlet and that the six infinity gems must never be used in conjunction ever again.

The Living Tribunal exists in the multiverse, he has no counterpart in any other of the realities. So, what does this tell us....

a) Via Dr. Strange we know that the Living Tribunal exists in the MCU.

b) In the comics, the Living Tribunal's word is that of God in the Marvel universe, even the cosmic entities have to abide by his judgement.

c) Being more powerful than the gauntlet, he'll probably be used, and that Easter Egg was probably put in Dr. Strange for that reason. If he is in the film (or the next one), than the multiverse will definitely be the key to defeating Thanos.

c) Thanos thinks he's restoring the 'balance of the universe' but that is the Living Tribunal's exact job description. That's precisely what he does, he is an impartial judge. He acts in the greater interest of the universe. In the comics the Living Tribunal let the events of Infinity Gauntlet play out, and didn't intervene until Infinity War when Warlock got the gauntlet, but since they're kind of giving Thanos different motivations in the MCU, it's possible the Tribunal's judgement will be different.

d) Let Thanos take the time stone. Strange has the answer to stopping Thanos right under his nose. All he needs to do is to summon the Living Tribunal. If he could figure out that it is even an option in the first place.

e) Sadly, though this breaks my heart, Adam Warlock will not be in Avengers 3 and 4, which makes me wonder if they're going to have someone else take some of the plot pieces he played in all this. For example: the person who gets the gauntlet after Thanos... it would have to be someone all the heroes trusted not to be seduced by the power of the gauntlet, in Jonathan Hickman's Infinity series it was Cap who everyone voted to wield the gauntlet. But whether they decide on Cap, or Tony, or Strange, or Thor for this role, ultimately the Living Tribunal will intervene and order the stones separated by caretakes if they follow this thread, each caretaker getting a stone that they cannot use in conjunction with the others. Who then will those caretakers be?

We may already have an answer to that last question...

Also, bringing the Living Tribunal into the MCU fits into Feige's promise of a more cosmic Marvel going forward.

 

[Delwin]

Interesting theory which may mean actual end of Avengers since from now on they cannot work together anymore. While Thor leaving Earth permanently seems to be obvious choice, most of the remaining team is gonna be spread somehow or retired. The suggested choice above however does not include any Guardian...

 

[Spider-Fan]

The Living Tribunal would be cool to see.

 

[MbJ]

So no RDJ in the Spider-Man Homecoming sequel. Interesting...

 

[Aximili86]

Doesn't necessarily mean he dies. The whole arc of the first one was Pete finding his own footing, securing some independence and being his own man (which all gets ****ed up by Tony dragging him into the Infinity War stuff, still sort of bugs me) - even if Tony survives A4, he'd either not be in Homecoming 2 or he'd be taking a major backseat compared to the first one.

 

[Spider-Fan]

We have known this for a while, but I do see it as a sign of death in Avengers 4. Didn't Holland say though that another hero would be in the Homecoming sequel? I feel like I remember this.

 

[MbJ]

Doesn't necessarily mean he dies.

No, but grouped in with everything else, it is certainly interesting.

 

[Maxima]

So no RDJ in the Spider-Man Homecoming sequel. Interesting...

They may be just saving money...

 

[KevTravels]

So no RDJ in the Spider-Man Homecoming sequel. Interesting...

Thank god. He was in the first for roughly 10mins and took up so much of the marketing. SpiderMan can sell his own films.

 

[dyl1dyl]

Some stupid Youtube channels have the newest TV spot posted with the title "Shuri saves vision's life".Have watched the spot but sounds like bs and the title is probably wildly inaccurate at even describing the footage.

 

[SteveRogers41]

Just calling on the Living Tribunal to fix everything would be a slap in the face and a horrible way to end this.

"Ooops... btw general audience theres this Living Tribunal who can do anything and nothing can stop it even Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet. Crisis over."

It would be a journey for them to even discover dude exists. The Living Tribual exists in the multiverse, which means that any Avengers left after IW would have to know enough about the multiverse to explore it and suss him out. Like say, Ant-Man finding out more about the Quantum Realm in his second film which conveniently comes between the two Avengers film. Same with Carol’s film, with Carol herself being multiverse savvy.

Whether they use the Living Tribunal or not I’d be willing to bet the multiverse is the key to defeating Thanos. Specifically the Quantum Realm.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Just calling on the Living Tribunal to fix everything would be a slap in the face and a horrible way to end this.

"Ooops... btw general audience theres this Living Tribunal who can do anything and nothing can stop it even Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet. Crisis over."

It's possible the Living Tribunal could make an appearance in either A&W or CM if he ends up being a solution.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Way to convoluted to have in the MCU.

It would take things beyond the current threshold for stupidity and ridiculousness. LT's mention in Strange is little-more than an easter egg mention for comic fans. A MCU version would have to be radically different for it to work.

Why?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Because its been seen time and again that there is a line the MCU won't cross, the line that takes things from, in a sense, believable to just plain ridiculous. And LT is one of those.

We've seen how they handled Ego, only briefly showing him as a planet because they knew it was too much.

Galactus in F4, Apocalypse in X-Men, Zemo in CAWS, Arnim Zola.. etc etc

The likes of Surtur and Dormammu are about as far as they'll go. They like to keep things grounded as much as they can or they start losing the GA just to make the comic book nerds happy.

It would be akin to having it all be a dream... to suddenly just mention "btw there is a being that can do what it likes can't be stopped and is just waiting for you to call it to stop anything evil happening".

The bold were not made by Marvel Studios. Those are irrelevant.

As for the other examples, Zola was still a guy's mind trapped in a computer, but as a whole Cap's movies were more grounded (mostly), but Cosmic Marvel has tended to embrace the ridiculous. You point out not showing Ego as a planet, but that's because most of the movie took place ON the planet. Not outside it. Both Dormammu and Surtur were pretty ridiculous. I think if the LT was used, they would embrace it. It fits with the tone of the Cosmic Marvel to this point. We still have a tree that says "I Am Groot" and a talking Raccoon, the Grandmaster (boy was he silly), etc. Also, the Living Tribunal doesn't stop evil. He only makes rulings in situations that threaten reality. It's not like he steps in to stop a Kree/Skrull battle or things like that. It has to be a big deal.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Irrelevant because?

They are comic book characters adapted to the movie screen. Just because you don't agree doesn't make them irrelevant to my point.

Yes it is because Marvel Studios had no involvement in those films, so arguing how Marvel Studios will handle a character based on films they had nothing to do with is irrelevant.

They made the decision to make the whole movie take place ON the planet because of that reason. As an excuse to not have to show Ego as being the planet in such a wacky way.

Dude, GotG2 is hardly the only story to take place ON Ego himself. Plus, you're technically on Ego the whole time, and the audience knows it. You don't need to see the ball in space to understand that.

Grandmaster was only as silly as Jeff Goldblum is in any of his films.

Its just a complete cop-out in my eyes, the hereos can't defeat Thanos but oooh btw theres this guy called LT who can totally just reverse everything if he feels like it. Its cheap and tacky.

Talking Trees and Raccoons are still grounded. Surtur is a mythical character and Dormammu pushed the boundaries. I think some people found him too ridiculous. They isolated him to an interaction with Dr Strange.

These are the very definition of not grounded, unless you have seen talking Trees and Raccoons on Earth. If you have, please pass me whatever you had when you saw that.

As for Dormammu, that is like the most popular scene in the movie. It obviously worked for people. You're allowing you own bias to cloud how these things were actually presented.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Arguing how one comicbook movie franchise might handle such wack characters based on how numerous others have.... yeah totally irrelevant.

Yes it is because the MCU and FOXverse have always handled their properties differently. Are you also going to present the DCEU as evidence of a MARVEL movies to me?

Do you speak for the General Audience? They skirted the issue of EGO being the planet and only showed it in ONE shot because they knew it would be too much. Let the GA be oblivious and give the Comic Book fans a nod with a shot of Ego's face on the planet.

It's a planet. Obviously if you're character is a planet, a good portion will be ON the planet. It's just common sense. James Gunn has openly used silly elements. He relishes in it.

So the entire MCU is not grounded because YOU haven't seen anyone throw a shield around, gain the powers of a spider or friends with a mythical Prince.

You know exactly what I mean, have a walking talking tree is a lot different than a floating 100000 foot man who has infinite power and can decide whether he wants to defeat the villain on a whim. It would make a mockery of any stakes built up in the film.

I will bet you a million dollars once Galactus makes it to the MCU, he will look a lot like his comic counterpart. I don't see how LT is any sillier than Ego, who they openly embraced. Sorry.

My own bias? You are accrediting your own thoughts to the whole of the viewing audience. Most popular scene according to who?

My opinion is that characters like OAA and LT are ridiculous and cop-outs and the MCU will avoid them in their true form. Backed up with examples of previous characters in the MCU and other comic book universes that avoided such fantastical characters.

They won't even give Hawkeye his real costume but you think a giant floating genie who can defeat Thanos without blinking his eyes would be fine.

The "I've come to bargain scene" is a meme, and not in a bad way like Martha. It was easily the most popular scene in the movie. As for your other point about them being ridiculous, the MCU used several colossal characters in their true form and embraced many "silly" characters. Yet, because FOX and DC shied away from this, the MCU will shy away from it despite embracing these things prior? FOX would not have made Dormammu like the MCU did. So, why would I think in any universe they would approach Galactus or LT the same? I am sorry, but your perception of the MCU I feel is very flawed and shrouded. You just keep making excuses when I bring up evidence that contradicts your point. As for Hawkeye's costume, it has comic merit via the Ultimates.

 

[ctsketch]

Because its been seen time and again that there is a line the MCU won't cross, the line that takes things from, in a sense, believable to just plain ridiculous. And LT is one of those.

We've seen how they handled Ego, only briefly showing him as a planet because they knew it was too much.

Galactus in F4, Apocalypse in X-Men, Zemo in CAWS, Arnim Zola.. etc etc

The likes of Surtur and Dormammu are about as far as they'll go. They like to keep things grounded as much as they can or they start losing the GA just to make the comic book nerds happy.

It would be akin to having it all be a dream... to suddenly just mention "btw there is a being that can do what it likes can't be stopped and is just waiting for you to call it to stop anything evil happening".

 

[ctsketch]

Irrelevant because?

They are comic book characters adapted to the movie screen. Just because you don't agree doesn't make them irrelevant to my point.

They made the decision to make the whole movie take place ON the planet because of that reason. As an excuse to not have to show Ego as being the planet in such a wacky way.

Grandmaster was only as silly as Jeff Goldblum is in any of his films.

Its just a complete cop-out in my eyes, the hereos can't defeat Thanos but oooh btw theres this guy called LT who can totally just reverse everything if he feels like it. Its cheap and tacky.

Talking Trees and Raccoons are still grounded. Surtur is a mythical character and Dormammu pushed the boundaries. I think some people found him too ridiculous. They isolated him to an interaction with Dr Strange.

Irrelevant because we are talking about the risks MCU makes...not Sony

 

[NHawk19]

If it is time displacement, then the Accords may not be in place at this point in time. He might be trying to blend in with that period of time. Hence the costume and shave.

Spoiler

Notice the SHIELD Logo on Tony's Shirt. I'm guessing Alternate Reality. Tony Wore a Black Sabbath T-Shirt in Avengers 1. That then leads to: How many of the existing films will this one nullify?