Infinity War Who will die in Infinity war Part 1 and 2

[SteveRogers41]

Hmmm...my theory is Cap dies in this film. Don't be fooled about A4. Cap is dead. A4 is all about Tony using BARF to get the answer he needs to defeat Thanos. There is no time-traveling or none of that. How is that possible when Thanos has the Time gem. Cap is dead & Tony lives....that's his anxiety come true.

If they are heading towards the Secret Invasion storyline, which I am convinced that they are, then Cap is way more needed than Tony as a) he was the one who took out Osborn b) he became the 'Nick Fury' of the Marvel universe as Commander Rogers America's Top Cop c) he was the one who reinstated SHIELD, who created the spy organization the Secret Avengers and put together the post Dark Reign Avengers team, then oversaw all three.

And this is not even taking into account that they've introduced Nomad and the Accords and not resolved that storyline.

So I humbly disagree with you on pretty much everything. We'll see who's right come next month.

 

[Spider-Fan]

If they are heading towards the Secret Invasion storyline, which I am convinced that they are, then Cap is way more needed than Tony as a) he was the one who took out Osborn b) he became the 'Nick Fury' of the Marvel universe as Commander Rogers America's Top Cop c) he was the one who reinstated SHIELD, who created the spy organization the Secret Avengers and put together the post Dark Reign Avengers team, then oversaw all three.

And this is not even taking into account that they've introduced Nomad and the Accords and not resolved that storyline.

So I humbly disagree with you on pretty much everything. We'll see who's right come next month.

I think it is entirely possible all the Avengers die in IW except Tony. So in a month, it could appear that Cap and co are dead. But, come Avengers 4, no part of me thinks the other Avengers will be dead the whole time. Stark will sacrifice himself and save everybody and trade his life for theirs (which I think AoU has foreshadowed), whether it be resurrecting them or saving them.

 

[SteveRogers41]

I think it is entirely possible all the Avengers die in IW except Tony. So in a month, it could appear that Cap and co are dead. But, come Avengers 4, no part of me thinks the other Avengers will be dead the whole time. Stark will sacrifice himself and save everybody and trade his life for theirs (which I think AoU has foreshadowed), whether it be resurrecting them or saving them.

That would certainly closely resemble Infinity Gauntlet where everyone died (save Nebula and Adam Warlock), then Nebula got a hold of the gauntlet and reset the the universe.

...I can see Tony doing that in lieu of Nebula in the MCU though I do hope Nebula gets her personal comeuppance against Thanos in some shape or form, she certainly deserves it.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I see it as his ability to prevent it is what Tony was shown. Specifically, he could have done more. If the vision just comes to pass, then there is no payoff for Tony other than just not being able to stop it. It's a superhero film, so the good guys will win in the end, and for me, that means Tony exchanging his life for theirs. THAT is payoff. Not just watching it happen.

Tony is the center piece here...everything is centering around what Wanda has said...he will do, all that is necessary, as he see fit, to save the team & the world. Tony can't help but to watch, as his vision manifest itself, before his very eyes, as he tries desperately to stop it...not prevent it...because, they have already pass that point...that's what Thanos coming to Earth symbolize. Cap & a few others dies in IW they are not coming back.

A4 is going to be a vastly different mode of film. How do they stop a Mad Titan, with such immense power, from Ruling the Universe, from its natural order of existence. Thanos believes he's bringing order; but; he causing disorder, in his attempt to unnaturally balance the universe, on a whim. Tony has gone from preventing Thanos from getting the stones in IW to finding the answer that plagues him, in getting them back & saving half the Universe in A4.

Those set pics of A4 is misleading people into believing that death is temporary & Time reversal & travel is what occurring. Sorry to say...it's not. Tony, after all of this, is going to walk away, into the sunset, from the Avengers...he won't be able be an Avenger after this. This Avenger Team, starts & end with Tony.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Tony is the center piece here...everything is centering around what Wanda has said...he will do, all that is necessary, as he see fit, to save the team & the world. Tony can't help but to watch, as his vision manifest itself, before his very eyes, as he tries desperately to stop it...not prevent it...because, they have already pass that point...that's what Thanos coming to Earth symbolize. Cap & a few others dies in IW they are not coming back.

A4 is going to be a vastly different mode of film. How do they stop a Mad Titan, with such immense power, from Ruling the Universe, from its natural order of existence. Thanos believes he's bringing order; but; he causing disorder, in his attempt to unnaturally balance the universe, on a whim. Tony has gone from preventing Thanos from getting the stones in IW to finding the answer that plagues him, in getting them back & saving half the Universe in A4.

Those set pics of A4 is misleading people into believing that death is temporary & Time reversal & travel is what occurring. Sorry to say...it's not. Tony, after all of this, is going to walk away, into the sunset, from the Avengers...he won't be able be an Avenger after this. This Avenger Team, starts & end with Tony.

Once again, we just don't see eye to eye here. There is more poetry in the it all began with Iron Man and thus it ends with him if he dies. That is the symbolic moment of the caretaker of the MCU handing off the reigns to other heroes by sacrificing himself. THAT is poetry. Not Tony surviving. If Tony survives, it's just more of the same. If he dies and saves everyone else, then the MCU will never be the same: Iron Man is gone. The MCU as we know it is gone, and is now something new. The strongest way to send that message is Iron Man's death. No other character comes close symbolically, especially with what he has meant to the franchise as a whole.

 

[SteveRogers41]

Tony is the center piece here...everything is centering around what Wanda has said...he will do, all that is necessary, as he see fit, to save the team & the world. Tony can't help but to watch, as his vision manifest itself, before his very eyes, as he tries desperately to stop it...not prevent it...because, they have already pass that point...that's what Thanos coming to Earth symbolize. Cap & a few others dies in IW they are not coming back.

A4 is going to be a vastly different mode of film. How do they stop a Mad Titan, with such immense power, from Ruling the Universe, from its natural order of existence. Thanos believes he's bringing order; but; he causing disorder, in his attempt to unnaturally balance the universe, on a whim. Tony has gone from preventing Thanos from getting the stones in IW to finding the answer that plagues him, in getting them back & saving half the Universe in A4.

Those set pics of A4 is misleading people into believing that death is temporary & Time reversal & travel is what occurring. Sorry to say...it's not. Tony, after all of this, is going to walk away, into the sunset, from the Avengers...he won't be able be an Avenger after this. This Avenger Team, starts & end with Tony.

Very much disagree. Very much. First off, there is the practical reasons why Tony is not going to make it. RDJ is in his 50's, his wife owns a production company they're trying to get off the ground (re: the current Dr. Doolittle reboot they're working on) and he's tremendously expensive.

Then there is the future of the MCU, which based on the fact that Captain Marvel takes place in the 1990's and the film is introducing the Skrulls, looks like they are headed to the Secret Invasion/Dark Reign. In fact, there are other signs as well. Ross can be used in lieu of Osborn (as Sony has plans for Osborn). Zemo was left alive in CACW (him being the first leader and mastermind behind the Thunderbolts). Stark sold Avengers Tower in SM:H, in the comics the tower was confiscated by Osborn during the Dark Reign and used for the Dark Avengers/Thunderbolts. Introducing Ghost in Ant-Man and the Wasp. Clint Barton going Ronin. Natasha Romanoff pretending to be Yelena Belova, blonde hair and all... this also happened in the comics. And in the comics it was Steve, not Tony, who defeated Osborn and became America's Top Cop, essentially the new Nick Fury.

If they are heading towards the Secret Invasion/Dark Reign, which all signs point to yes, they are, Steve would actually be the more useful character to keep around. Particularly as, in the comics, when he was made Top Cop, he overturned the SHRA, which I thoroughly expect him to do in the MCU as well.

So yeah, I still think you're wrong. We'll see next month.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Once again, we just don't see eye to eye here. There is more poetry in the it all began with Iron Man and thus it ends with him if he dies. That is the symbolic moment of the caretaker of the MCU handing off the reigns to other heroes by sacrificing himself. THAT is poetry. Not Tony surviving. If Tony survives, it's just more of the same. If he dies and saves everyone else, then the MCU will never be the same: Iron Man is gone. The MCU as we know it is gone, and is now something new. The strongest way to send that message is Iron Man's death. No other character comes close symbolically, especially with what he has meant to the franchise as a whole.

That's not poetry. Tony became IM after denouncing his family industrial capitalizing on the profit of war...he uses that same industry to prevent war. Now war has come to him. He has to use the tools of war to defeat it....that's poetry.

Thanos heart felt thought, is that unnatural long life of his people is plaguing the life cycle of his world. Nobody see the significance how it relates to Cap & how fitting his life come to an end. That's poetry.

 

[Spider-Fan]

That's not poetry. Tony became IM after denouncing his family industrial capitalizing on the profit of war...he uses that same industry to prevent war. Now war has come to him. Now he has to use the tools of war to defeat it....that's poetry.

Thanos heart felt thought, is that unnatural long life of his people is plaguing the life cycle of his world. Nobody see the significance how it relates to Cap & how fitting his life come to an end. That's poetry.

We're just never going to agree on this and argue in circles, LOL!!! I'm sorry, but for me Iron Man is just the obvious candidate and it works better at a franchise level, especially given what other movies showed us. I just find your whole argument just...wrong on every level, LOL

 

[Flash525]

Hmmm...my theory is Cap dies in this film. Don't be fooled about A4. Cap is dead. A4 is all about Tony using BARF to get the answer he needs to defeat Thanos. There is no time-traveling or none of that. How is that possible when Thanos has the Time gem. Cap is dead & Tony lives....that's his anxiety come true.

Thanos doesn't have the Time Gem (yet). He has the Power Stone and Space Stone.

 

[Venom'sDad]

If they are heading towards the Secret Invasion storyline, which I am convinced that they are, then Cap is way more needed than Tony as a) he was the one who took out Osborn b) he became the 'Nick Fury' of the Marvel universe as Commander Rogers America's Top Cop c) he was the one who reinstated SHIELD, who created the spy organization the Secret Avengers and put together the post Dark Reign Avengers team, then oversaw all three.

And this is not even taking into account that they've introduced Nomad and the Accords and not resolved that storyline.

So I humbly disagree with you on pretty much everything. We'll see who's right come next month.

Dude...Chris Evans is not coming back.....yet alone for all of that. He's done. His chapter ends with IW.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Thanos doesn't have the Time Gem (yet). He has the Power Stone and Space Stone.

I suspect he gets them all by the end of the film.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Dude...Chris Evans is not coming back.....yet alone for all of that. He's done. His chapter ends with IW.

This we still don't know. Even if the plan IS for him to come back, they would never say that publicly right now. That would spoil these 2 movies. Everyone is going to be playing coy until Avengers 4 comes and goes. You very well may be right, or he may resign like RDJ after AoU (when some thought he very well may retire).

 

[Venom'sDad]

This we still don't know. Even if the plan IS for him to come back, they would never say that publicly right now. That would spoil these 2 movies. Everyone is going to be playing coy until Avengers 4 comes and goes. You very well may be right, or he may resign like RDJ after AoU (when some thought he very well may retire).

Fair point....

 

[SteveRogers41]

Dude...Chris Evans is not coming back.....yet alone for all of that. He's done. His chapter ends with IW.

I guess you weren't around when RDJ was renegotiating his salary after Ultron and he and Feige were taking pot-shots at each other in the media with RDJ saying the same thing Evans is saying now, i.e. "I'm so done with Marvel" (only Evans is being nicer about it).

It's a negotiating tactic. LOL if you actually believe that Evans would give away his characters' death one month before the movie comes out. I mean, come on!

You know Leonard Nimoy once claimed to be done as Spock. He even asked for his death in Star Trek: Wrath of Khan and wouldn't do the movie without it. Wrote a book called I am Not Spock. And yet, thirty years, six Star Trek films and one Next Gen cameo later... guess who died as Spock.

Seriously, an actor saying they are done is the oldest trick in the book to get more money or other things they want (in Nimoy's case directing). Until I see it with my own eyes, I'm not taking Evans' exit from Marvel as a given.

And there is NOTHING you can say that will change my mind on this.

 

[Flash525]

Dude...Chris Evans is not coming back.....yet alone for all of that. He's done. His chapter ends with IW.

Dude, that's quite a blunt remark. Simple truth is, we don't know. As far as I'm aware, Evans has said he's done with Captain America at the conclusion of Avengers 4, that doesn't mean the character is going to be killed off - could be that he retires, or simply changes his on-screen persona, and that's all if Evans isn't/wasn't just baiting fans.

I suspect he gets them all by the end of the film.

I'm actually not convinced that he will. For what it's worth, the MCU is somewhat credible at the moment, and if these gems are said to be as powerful as they are - and can indeed do what they're said to do, then the second Thanos acquires them all, the entire MCU is simply doomed. I don't see how any of our heroes can go up against Thanos if he actually acquires that much power over the universe.

Even if our Avengers end up traveling through time or to another dimension; Thanos [would have] total control over existence itself; there'd be nowhere for our heroes to run.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Dude, that's quite a blunt remark. Simple truth is, we don't know. As far as I'm aware, Evans has said he's done with Captain America at the conclusion of Avengers 4, that doesn't mean the character is going to be killed off - could be that he retires, or simply changes his on-screen persona, and that's all if Evans isn't/wasn't just baiting fans.

I'm actually not convinced that he will. For what it's worth, the MCU is somewhat credible at the moment, and if these gems are said to be as powerful as they are - and can indeed do what they're said to do, then the second Thanos acquires them all, the entire MCU is simply doomed. I don't see how any of our heroes can go up against Thanos if he actually acquires that much power over the universe.

Even if our Avengers end up traveling through time or to another dimension; Thanos [would have] total control over existence itself; there'd be nowhere for our heroes to run.

Actually, all we really know is his contract ends with Avengers 4. So, he has no contract or obligation to play him again. That again is not to say he won't or Marvel and him are not working on a new deal or something. Like I said before, even if a new deal was signed, sealed, delivered...no one is announcing that prior to IW and Avengers 4! That's not to say he is coming back. He very well may be done, but we at this stage just don't know.

 

[MbJ]

On IMDB, Tom Holland is not listed in the cast for the Avengers movie that comes after infinity wars. Does this mean anything?

It means nothing. He was confirmed to be in Avengers 4 last year.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I'm actually not convinced that he will. For what it's worth, the MCU is somewhat credible at the moment, and if these gems are said to be as powerful as they are - and can indeed do what they're said to do, then the second Thanos acquires them all, the entire MCU is simply doomed. I don't see how any of our heroes can go up against Thanos if he actually acquires that much power over the universe.

Even if our Avengers end up traveling through time or to another dimension; Thanos [would have] total control over existence itself; there'd be nowhere for our heroes to run.

I understand that sentiment; however, the Russos' said that he will have an inherent weakness. What that is, not sure where to speculate...but I will throw a combination of two out there.

One weakness could be his favorite daughter Gamora...which a number of trade are starting to tout this theory...that she exploit his sensibilities because she is his most fondest of all, which may exploit a weakness there.

Another weakness could be exactly how to wield the Gauntlet once it's complete...which just may open a window of opportunity to be exploited. This could be what Tony has to discover from his vision, before that window is closed.

It certainly going to be interesting to find out...because Thanos was already a powerful, deadly, threat, before the Gauntlet.

 

[Darkmania]

It means nothing. He was confirmed to be in Avengers 4 last year.

Okay, great thanks.

 

[Flash525]

Actually, all we really know is his contract ends with Avengers 4. So, he has no contract or obligation to play him again. That again is not to say he won't or Marvel and him are not working on a new deal or something. Like I said before, even if a new deal was signed, sealed, delivered...no one is announcing that prior to IW and Avengers 4! That's not to say he is coming back. He very well may be done, but we at this stage just don't know.

As much the case as that may be, if everyone worked on what contract expiration dates are known, then we'd not have Stark at the moment - his initial contract ended years ago, but he naturally extended. People are jumping to the conclusion that because Evans' contract is up, it means his death. That's pure assumption based on potential circumstances, yet some people are claiming it (his death) as fact because of this.

I understand that sentiment; however, the Russos' said that he will have an inherent weakness. What that is, not sure where to speculate...but I will throw a combination of two out there.

One weakness could be his favorite daughter Gamora...which a number of trade are starting to tout this theory...that she exploit his sensibilities because she is his most fondest of all, which may exploit a weakness there.

Another weakness could be exactly how to wield the Gauntlet once it's complete...which just may open a window of opportunity to be exploited. This could be what Tony has to discover from his vision, before that window is closed.

It certainly going to be interesting to find out...because Thanos was already a powerful, deadly, threat, before the Gauntlet.

Are you/we suggesting that he may be able to collect all the stones, but that he wont actually know how to use the gauntlet? That'll be comical.

I can just imagine giving £9,000,000 to an Amazonian Tribesperson - so much money, yet not a clue what to do with it. Or a top of the range Porsche to a blind person (you see the comparison).

I do also wonder whether the Gauntlet was made by Thanos, for the stones, as it seems to be a perfect fit, in which case did he once have them all anyway?

 

[Y0nder]

We're just never going to agree on this and argue in circles, LOL!!! I'm sorry, but for me Iron Man is just the obvious candidate and it works better at a franchise level, especially given what other movies showed us. I just find your whole argument just...wrong on every level, LOL

I think you both have a good case actually. This isn't about who is wrong or who is right.

That said, I think Iron Man's death makes more sense.

"The worst part is that you didn't"

 

[Spider-Fan]

As much the case as that may be, if everyone worked on what contract expiration dates are known, then we'd not have Stark at the moment - his initial contract ended years ago, but he naturally extended. People are jumping to the conclusion that because Evans' contract is up, it means his death. That's pure assumption based on potential circumstances, yet some people are claiming it (his death) as fact because of this.

Exactly. His contract being up is not new information, and at no point before these movies are released is he going to outright say "Yes, I plan on coming back" as that ruins drama and suspense going into the film. What would be a bigger spoiler than Chris Evans saying "Hey guys, guess who will be in the next Spider-Man film!!!" It would make people mad. Marvel is smarter than that. Same logic applies to Hems, RDJ, etc.

 

[MbJ]

I think you both have a good case actually. This isn't about who is wrong or who is right.

That said, I think Iron Man's death makes more sense.

"The worst part is that you didn't"

Yeah of the two of them, I actually see Iron Man's death being much more likely. Though I wouldn't rule out both.

But regardless, I expect one of them will die. There's just no way they do a movie this big, and then the "big deaths" are a bunch of second and third stringers like Pepper and War Machine (who I like, don't get me wrong).

Black Panther had a great director and cast!! That was a great movie!! But again, he nor he and Captain Marvel together can carry the marvel ship.

You keep saying that as though Iron Man and Captain America were solely carrying the franchise. That's the whole point. They aren't. Marvel has done a spectacular job building their universe to such an extent that it doesn't require any one character to carry it.

 

[Y0nder]

Yeah of the two of them, I actually see Iron Man's death being much more likely. Though I wouldn't rule out both.

But regardless, I expect one of them will die. There's just no way they do a movie this big, and then the "big deaths" are a bunch of second and third stringers like



You keep saying that as though Iron Man and Captain America were solely carrying the franchise. That's the whole point. They aren't. Marvel has done a spectacular job building their universe to such an extent that it doesn't require any one character to carry it.

Exactly. I'm not buying the whole "all big characters will die in A4" medley. I think we will lose a cornerstone character in Infinity War.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Exactly. I'm not buying the whole "all big characters will die in A4" medley. I think we will lose a cornerstone character in Infinity War.

This would shock me because I only see them killing 1 of the major Avengers (and killing more guys like Vision or Nebula or Loki level). So since I am only expecting 1 major death, I think that has to happen in the finale.