Who's the most powerful villain

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Thanos, Mephisto, Dormammu (sp) Those would probably be the top baring cosmics. Galatus doesn't count. He's not evil he just needs to survive like everything else.

 

[THANOSRULES]

Yeah, Its Thanos..

But in alot of ways Thanos is simply a beefed up version of Doom or Kang..not somone specifically innately superpowered , rather they are so dangerous becuase of their mind, tech, and planning.

Thanos does have pretty decent superpowers as an eternal, but he is so deadly becuase of his intelligence.

he has also got one of the best track records for villian accomplishments...been Omnipotent a few times by his own hand, Slayed the Elders of the universe , owned the in betweener, romanced spurned and conquered DEATH. Held is own against some of the universe most powerful beings. Plus he has a really cool recliner he gets to zip around the universe in. Amoung other things..

Thanos is top dog.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

In terms of sheer power, I wouldn't call Thanos the top villain. There are others out there who have more raw power; Thanos is just smarter than all of them put together and can win through other means. I don't actually know who the most powerful villain would be.

For the heroes, I'd say Dr. Strange is the most powerful. The Surfer would be second, but magic trumps everything else because it can literally do whatever a good enough sorcerer wants it to do.

 

[Aidan06]

lol, when Thanos possessed the heart of the universe he could destroy any being in the universe, even the Living Tribunal who is said to have unlimmited power.
So Thanos with the heart of the universe was the one above all, strongest being in Marvel universe ever.

how could he destroy LT? im not saying he couldnt, im just inerested how since LT is supposed to 'end existance' lol, what exactly did the heart of the universe do for him?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It made him God with a capital G, basically.

 

[SSJ4_Mikael]

how could he destroy LT? im not saying he couldnt, im just inerested how since LT is supposed to 'end existance' lol, what exactly did the heart of the universe do for him?

The HotU is the power and essance of TOAA, so literary he became TOAA.
In terms of power.
HotU = TOAA = Unlimmited
TOAA created universe and the LT, therefore he can also unmake them.
Like Thanos did with his power.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Hands down, Thanos

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

In terms of sheer power, I wouldn't call Thanos the top villain. There are others out there who have more raw power; Thanos is just smarter than all of them put together and can win through other means. I don't actually know who the most powerful villain would be.

For the heroes, I'd say Dr. Strange is the most powerful. The Surfer would be second, but magic trumps everything else because it can literally do whatever a good enough sorcerer wants it to do.

I'm curious Corp, what Villain(s) would you think have more raw power than Thanos? Wouldn't Dormammu (sp) be more of a threat due to his magical abilities? What about Mephisto, especially in his realm he is close to a cosmic entity isn't he?

 

[MJOILNIR]

Not very well known but thier are good natured eternals that have power very similar to thanos. As far as mainstream villians Thanos is probably top dog all in all. Im sure thier are cosmic level evil gods in the marvel universe that have more raw power. Im not including the IG because thats not normal powers for any hero or villian in the marvel universe. Dr. Strange is a good canidate for the mainstream marvel hero, though Ill say the same for him that I did for Thanos. Thiers more powerful magic wielding beings in the marvel universe. Loki and Sersi are very powerful magic users.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Sersi doesn't use magic, she uses her natural Eternal powers.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm curious Corp, what Villain(s) would you think have more raw power than Thanos? Wouldn't Dormammu (sp) be more of a threat due to his magical abilities? What about Mephisto, especially in his realm he is close to a cosmic entity isn't he?

I've never really understood Mephisto's power level, so I can't comment on him. Dormammu was one of the people I thought would probably be more powerful than Thanos. He's supposed to draw power from his entire dimension. I thought Surtur might have more raw power, too. He's kicked Odin's ass and Thanos got stomped by Odin, after all.

 

[MJOILNIR]

Well yea, Im thinking of her matter energy manipulation powers. Getting the mythological/comic sersi mixed If Im not mistaken all eternals have that ability but with different levels of power.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

I've never really understood Mephisto's power level, so I can't comment on him. Dormammu was one of the people I thought would probably be more powerful than Thanos. He's supposed to draw power from his entire dimension. I thought Surtur might have more raw power, too. He's kicked Odin's ass and Thanos got stomped by Odin, after all.

That's who I was trying to think of but I couldn't remember his name.

 

[foxx5]

I say magneto could really kick some butt, if he was given full potential of his powers, i mean he can control blood flow in your body, and potentially reverse the magnetic polls on earth, what would that do?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well yea, Im thinking of her matter energy manipulation powers. Getting the mythological/comic sersi mixed If Im not mistaken all eternals have that ability but with different levels of power.

Yeah, all Eternals have the same basic powers but different Eternals chose to train different things. There are 5 levels of mastery to Eternals' powers, and Sersi is the only 5th-level matter manipulator among any of the Eternals, as far as I know. Makkari focused on amplifying his speed to the point that he can hit or come close to light speed, Thena focused on telepathy and is thus the only Eternal who could initiate a Uni-Mind merging before she was Prime Eternal, Ikaris focused on amplifying his strength and physical powers, etc.

 

[Johnny Blaze]

Yeah, I'd put Surtur ahead of Thanos, just from what I've read of him. Not sure if he's had any low showings though. Still, I'd put him in with the cosmic gods and such.

As for Dormammu, yeah, he's pretty damn powerful. Still, with his genius level intellect and tactical skills, I think the Titan could give him a good run and beat him. Provided the Dread One is not in his home dimension of course. If he's in the Dark Dimension then I'd definitely give it to Dormammu.

 

[MJOILNIR]

Hrymir the frost giant is close to surter in raw power as well.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Ymir. Yeah, he's the frosty version of Surtur. They're basically Asgardian elementals of heat and cold.

Surtur hasn't really had any low showings that I can think of. Every time he shows up, all of Asgard goes on red alert. There was a point in Simonson's run where Loki managed to hold Surtur off by himself, but it took Thor, Odin, and Loki together to actually beat him so I considered that more of an impressive showing for Loki than a low showing for Surtur.

 

[Johnny Blaze]

Ymir. Yeah, he's the frosty version of Surtur. They're basically Asgardian elementals of heat and cold.

Surtur hasn't really had any low showings that I can think of. Every time he shows up, all of Asgard goes on red alert. There was a point in Simonson's run where Loki managed to hold Surtur off by himself, but it took Thor, Odin, and Loki together to actually beat him so I considered that more of an impressive showing for Loki than a low showing for Surtur.

Well, I'd say it's definitely an impressive showing for Loki, but it still sounds like a half-ass low showing for Surtur. How did Loki hold him off and for how long did he hold him back before Thor and Odin arrived?

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Where does Loki rank in the magic department?

 

[Johnny Blaze]

Where does Loki rank in the magic department?

Overall, I'm not sure. But, for Asgardian mages he's definitely behind Odin, and I'd also say Karnilla (she's said be second to Odin in all of Asgard as far as magical power goes).

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Gotcha, so he's pretty up there

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Mephisto and Dormamu are mid to upper level cosmics. Both for example exceed the Stranger in power. Loki is exceeded by Odin, Tiwaz and Karnilla. There were 3 giant brothers known as the enchanters, the eldest Forsung was nearly Odins equal. Odin killed Forsung but the other brothers are still alive as far as I know. They may also exceed Loki in power.

 

[Johnny Blaze]

Adam Warlock should be up there for top hero. With the Soul Gem at his disposal and his skills as a master planner and tactician he's definitely a badass.
And he did soundly beat Mephisto in his own realm, so that's got to count for something.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, I'd say it's definitely an impressive showing for Loki, but it still sounds like a half-ass low showing for Surtur. How did Loki hold him off and for how long did he hold him back before Thor and Odin arrived?

Surtur wanted to ignite the Twilight Sword with the Eternal Flame in Asgard, so he stormed the city and, right when he thought he'd gotten to the Flame, it turned out to be an illusion Loki had made. After that, Loki mocks Surtur for a while, then blasts him in the eyes, then creates a bunch of doppelgangers of himself to confuse Surtur. Basically he was just occupying Surtur's attention for a few seconds, until this old soldier guy on Earth closed the Cask of Ancient Winters that was keeping Odin imprisoned in ice. Loki never really fights Surtur outright, he sticks to guerilla tactics and uses his maneuverability to his advantage. The scene makes sense; it's really just Surtur being his usual dumb, brutish self while Loki fights smart and stays one step ahead of him. It's clear that Loki has absolutely no chance of ever actually beating Surtur, though.

Where does Loki rank in the magic department?

I'm not sure how he'd stack up to Dr. Strange now, but back when Dr. Strange was just "master of the mystic arts" rather than Sorcerer Supreme, Loki owned his ass with very, very little effort. Strange has gotten much better since then, though. He might be beyond Loki's power now, or they might be about even. I doubt Strange is weaker than Loki anymore, though.

It's been stated in canon that he's third in the ranks of Asgard's sorcerers, after Odin and Karnilla. Not too shabby given that Odin wields the Odinpower, which is basically like Asgard's version of the Power Cosmic--it's the power of the entire realm funneled into one person--and Karnilla is queen of the Norns, who are themselves very powerful magic beings. Loki's just a descendant of giants who trained his ass off in magic.

Mephisto and Dormamu are mid to upper level cosmics. Both for example exceed the Stranger in power. Loki is exceeded by Odin, Tiwaz and Karnilla. There were 3 giant brothers known as the enchanters, the eldest Forsung was nearly Odins equal. Odin killed Forsung but the other brothers are still alive as far as I know. They may also exceed Loki in power.

Tiwaz's power level is pretty much unknown considering we haven't really seen him do anything. He just tended to Thor once after Thor got caught in an avalanche.

I'd forgotten about the Enchanters. Enrakt was powerful enough to possess Mjolnir, so yeah, they're definitely up there.