Why are Wally West, Cassandra Cain, and Stephanie Brown considered "TOXIC"?

[Anubis]

I'm more of a weekend drunk.

 

[The Epic Beyond]

You know i think Wally West Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown are all great characters but they grow out predecessors instead of being something different and unique. As legacy characters they make continuity confusing and inaccessible to new comers because it removes them from the core mythos. If you ask most kids who's batgirl they would say the red head from the cartoons. They wont get who the girl with the stichted mask or the blonde with the purple costume are.

I was trying to explain to someone the other day how many different robins there are Grayson, Todd, Drake, Damian, Carrie Kelly, stephanie Brown... Then they asked me where Batman Beyond fits into all that. Facepalm

 

[Anubis]

By that logic, then Barry and Hal should have been replaced by Jay and Alan.

That's boos**t dude.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I just bought like 40 issues of the start of Wally's tenure of the Flash. I miss having Wally around

 

[Fans of Reilly]

You know i think Wally West Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown are all great characters but they grow out predecessors instead of being something different and unique. As legacy characters they make continuity confusing and inaccessible to new comers because it removes them from the core mythos. If you ask most kids who's batgirl they would say the red head from the cartoons. They wont get who the girl with the stichted mask or the blonde with the purple costume are.

I was trying to explain to someone the other day how many different robins there are Grayson, Todd, Drake, Damian, Carrie Kelly, stephanie Brown... Then they asked me where Batman Beyond fits into all that. Facepalm

Useing your logic If you ask most kids who's the Flash they would say the red head from the cartoons for the Flash

 

[HighFivingMF]

Useing your logic If you ask most kids who's the Flash they would say the red head from the cartoons for the Flash

Doubt it. Most you'd get is "Guy in the red costume."

 

[hippie_hunter]

Useing your logic If you ask most kids who's the Flash they would say the red head from the cartoons for the Flash

Actually, asides from Justice League/Justice League Unlimited, Barry Allen has been the Flash in all animated incarnations of the character. The Barry Allen version of the Flash was used in the Batman, Batman: The Brave and the Bold, Young Justice all of which are much more recent than the DCAU cartoons and Barry Allen was the Flash being used in all the cartoons that pre-date the DCAU. And then take into account that the Flash used in the animated films Justice League: The New Frontier, Justice League: Doom, and the upcoming Flashpoint film use Barry Allen over Wally West.

And the Flash used in the video games such as Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe and LEGO Batman 2 uses Barry Allen, not Wally West.

So if I were a betting man, I'd either go with HFMF's assumption of the "guy in the red costume," or the blonde guy since most of the cartoons and video games have not used Wally West, particularly the most recent ones.

 

[Anubis]

Yeah, well, it sucks that a great character is gone because a buncha A-holes can't understand that s**t happened before they started reading.

 

[Smirnoff]

I think that is one thing DC was so great about, and really separated them from Marvel (not saying DC is/was better or worse, but different). I really liked that characters could grow up. Dick Grayson as Batman was so much fun for me. Tim Drake growing out of the Robin title (partially because Damian came along, of course) was also really cool. Marvel then did it with Bucky taking over as Captain America, and even with Steve Rogers back as the "top cop," it was really interesting.

Oh well.

Yeah it's a real shame, the sense of natural progression in the DC universe was one of my favorite aspects. I also grew up with the generation characters; Wally, Kyle, Connor, Dick. So seeing Dick progress to Batman and Wally to Flash was golden. The Dick-Damian dynamic was also interesting. It pains mean that they ditched everything for a quick sales grab. Guess it's understandable with the shape of the industry.