Comics Joe Q is an idiot

[Sloth7d]

I was going to say that Bob Harris was the EIC when MANY of the things that went bad with Spidey were decided... so to his credit, it was probably a difficult thing for JQ to do as the new EIC in 2000 to turn things around sales-wise for Marvel.

And as stated, I believe he has done a good job as a whole, though a few of his ideas have been over the top and simply unecessary. But you could say that about Jim Shooter & Tom DeFalco, both of whom had long tenures as EIC at Marvel during the 80's & 90's when, along with Bob Harris (who was EIC until 2000) were in charge of Marvel when a LOT of good things AND bad things developped for our favorite characters, Spider-Man included.

You can say what you want about the guy, but the bottom line is that Spidey books sell better now than they did for the last decade, and I'm still going to wait until I have read "One More Day" for my asessment on that story.

Cheers...

TMoB

Never compare the greatness that is Defalco to a hack like Joe Q. Never.

 

[Themanofbat]

Never compare the greatness that is Defalco to a hack like Joe Q. Never.

I think DeFalco was (and still is) a premiere writer, especially in the Spider-Verse, but some good and bad things did occur under his tenure as EIC at Marvel.

And I wasn't comparing them... all the EIC's had their own goodness/faults when they were in charge, but like I said, the bottom line is sales, and sales have improved under JQ's tenure over what they were a decade ago.

 

[Spider-Fan]

But quality has seen a sharp, and I do mean sharp, decline.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

But quality has seen a sharp, and I do mean sharp, decline.

Isnt that a matter of opinion though? As i said earlier; i find myself buying more Marvel than ever before, and certain books such as ASM, SSM, New Avengers, Mighty Avengers, T-Bolts, Daredevil, Captain America, and Hulk, have been downright riveting, imo...

I dont think Marvel has been this collectively good since the Jim Shooter era.

 

[Themanofbat]

I dont think Marvel has been this collectively good since the Jim Shooter era.

I'd agree with that statement.

While there have been SOME storylines that have had me shaking my head over recent years, it doesn't compare to the head shaking that was going on from 1996 to 2001.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I'd agree with that statement.

While there have been SOME storylines that have had me shaking my head over recent years, it doesn't compare to the head shaking that was going on from 1996 to 2001.

Indeed. Those were dark times, my friend.

DARK, dark times.

 

[farmernudie]

I've started reading LESS SPIDEY under JQ....(which has ALWAYS been by far my favorite..collected it since forever...every issue....)

In fact...i dare say JQ overall has gotten me more into COMICS as a whole...especially DC.....so in that respect..JQ has been good for the comic INDUSTRY.....not for just marvel tho...lol...

I had never thought of this before...but i had always been strictly a SPIDEY guy my whole life until then...maybe some Hulk here and there or Avengers...but that was it...just Spidey titles. IMO...Spidey hasn't ever been "As good" (i am not saying BAD...just not as GOOD...) since the Clone Mess long ago. It was like when baseball had gone on strike and things were never truly the same again...i dunno...but that is jsut my opinion...

My fav. SPidey comics are defintely ones pre-Clone, and pre-JQ. Tho i do still kinda like them...i just get irritated with dumb stories and no progress, SHOCKING EVENTS that take us back to no-where, where we began.

Now i read lots of DC stuff that i had never read before.

But i still consider myself a "MARVEL" guy. Even more, a true spidey fan...so since i love marvel SO much, maybe that is why i am more critical of SOME of JQ's decisions more than i would of any editor that'd ever be at DC.

 

[Captivated]

I was really surprized to read ONE comment by JQ I actually agreed with... they should never have killed Aunt May in the first place.

But then he kept talking...

I really think all this hype is just about trying to add some "romantic tension" to the Peter/MJ relationship. I just worry about his "bright" ideas...

No matter HOW they manage to separate Peter and MJ, I'm sure they will dangle the "carrot" of a reunion for a long as they possibly can, just to keep all the fans on board.

And they MAY be able to find entertaining ways of prolonging the romantic tension by postponing any kind of closure... for awhile... but it WILL get old if they never intend to bring them back together.

That's the thing. MOST fans, young AND old WANT to see Peter and MJ together. So they better just bite the bullet and figure out how to WRITE THEM WELL TOGETHER!

It's not a novel concept. As far as I can tell, stories that have STRONG, positive Peter/MJ elements in them are POPULAR.

Now... if he does something REALLY STUPID and kills MJ... then I'm totally done with anything from that point on. And I currently spend a pretty penny on Spidey...

But, whatever he has up his sleeve, it does NOT make it permanent... JQ is no comic book character... has to die sometime.

 

[webhead921]

I am fairly new to comics. I read joe q's bio on wikipedia, and it says that he strongly pushed trade paperbacks, so they are sold at major bookstores. Since I am a new fan, being able to buy anything recent in trade paperback form has helped me keep up to date with my favorite titles. I can't imagine how hard it would be for me to catch up the the present if I had to buy individual issues. Also, I first got into comics by browsing the trade paperbacks that were at borders, and then buying them from a comic shop.

I have heard from a lot of people that joe q is responsible for bringing a lot of characters back into prominence. I don't know how much of this is joe q's doing, but to me it seems like there is so much diversity in marvel right now, and i'd bet that there are marvel books out right now to satisfy anyone's tastes.

I am new to comics, and one of the reasons I pretty much only pay attention to marvel is because it is so easy to jump on different titles and get caught up. There are so manny current books, as well as trade paperbacks that I want to pick up badly, I never have enough money to buy everything that I want (which is unusual for me, since I RARELY spend a lot of money on anything). Captain America, Ultimate Spider-man, and Astonishing X-men are sooooo addicting for me. I want to start on daredevil, but I don't know a good starting point and cannot afford any new books right now

I jumped on Spidey at the start of civil war. I think the back on black concept/story isn't bad (much better than what I would expect from an attempt to jump on the movie's hype). The main problem with it is the writing itself. ASM could be much much better with the same story if the dialogue was improved.

 

[Captivated]

I am fairly new to comics. I read joe q's bio on wikipedia, and it says that he strongly pushed trade paperbacks, so they are sold at major bookstores. Since I am a new fan, being able to buy anything recent in trade paperback form has helped me keep up to date with my favorite titles. I can't imagine how hard it would be for me to catch up the the present if I had to buy individual issues. Also, I first got into comics by browsing the trade paperbacks that were at borders, and then buying them from a comic shop.

I have heard from a lot of people that joe q is responsible for bringing a lot of characters back into prominence. I don't know how much of this is joe q's doing, but to me it seems like there is so much diversity in marvel right now, and i'd bet that there are marvel books out right now to satisfy anyone's tastes.

I am new to comics, and one of the reasons I pretty much only pay attention to marvel is because it is so easy to jump on different titles and get caught up. There are so manny current books, as well as trade paperbacks that I want to pick up badly, I never have enough money to buy everything that I want (which is unusual for me, since I RARELY spend a lot of money on anything). Captain America, Ultimate Spider-man, and Astonishing X-men are sooooo addicting for me. I want to start on daredevil, but I don't know a good starting point and cannot afford any new books right now

I jumped on Spidey at the start of civil war. I think the back on black concept/story isn't bad (much better than what I would expect from an attempt to jump on the movie's hype). The main problem with it is the writing itself. ASM could be much much better with the same story if the dialogue was improved.

Well... you have much to learn my friend.

Next time you are in your friendly neighborhood comic book shop ask them to introduce you to the "Essential Spider-Man." They are cheap and classically good!

Speaking of cheap, don't forget to shop the used book stores, eBay and Amazon sells used too.

You can also read comics online here:
http://www.donaldspidermanthomas.com/html/library.html

Note: Only comics in red can be read.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Isnt that a matter of opinion though? As i said earlier; i find myself buying more Marvel than ever before, and certain books such as ASM, SSM, New Avengers, Mighty Avengers, T-Bolts, Daredevil, Captain America, and Hulk, have been downright riveting, imo...

I dont think Marvel has been this collectively good since the Jim Shooter era.

You're right, it is opinion, but JQ is the reason I am not collecting comics right now. I refuse to until he decides to stop ruining my two favorite characters (it is obvious he understands nothing about Spider-Man, and it seems like any character can beat the Silver Surfer in his comics). Wait, he ruined my 3 favorite characters (letting Cap get iced...STUPID!!! And his death was weakly done at that!). Not to mention the craptastic racism he has allowed to be written in Dr. Doom, and I can keep going on and on endlessly.

I hate JQ. The most pleasure I get from the name is watching the character with the same name get cut in half in DD. Only thing is, I wish it was the real JQ getting cut in half.

I know my lack of purchases really does nothing and won't get him fired, but if I don't speak my voice and not buy, then no one will speak against this crap.

 

[webhead921]

Well... you have much to learn my friend.

Next time you are in your friendly neighborhood comic book shop ask them to introduce you to the "Essential Spider-Man." They are cheap and classically good!

Speaking of cheap, don't forget to shop the used book stores, eBay and Amazon sells used too.

You can also read comics online here:
http://www.donaldspidermanthomas.com/html/library.html

Note: Only comics in red can be read.

I'm actually reading the essentials, I'm almost done with spidey vol 2 and x-men vol 1

thanks a bunch for the link!

 

[farmernudie]

I am very glad JQ increased TPB sales into a major thing.

I buy TONS of graphic novels.

Again, this is something he has done good for comics in general tho....

You wouldn't beleive how much i spend....on everything from Essentials.....to all the big shocking marvel ARCS that we go thru.....to DC books, Bone (i miss that!)...and etc....

While i LOVE reading them in book form, (and easier to store on the bookshelves in the den too!) ((unlike comics in boxes and bags)).......The TPB era has kinda ushered in the "ARC"....with so and so ARTIST AND WRITER (big competing announcements).....etc.....which hasn't always been a good thing. We've kinda gotten away from the "bigger picture" and focused more on smaller ones, and often with less continuity.

But, i DO like the tpb...easier to store, easier to pull out and read of the bookshelf.

Also, i think many people often pass on the comics and wait for the TPB collecting it (the arc). So, these TPB mass productions of every title out there, may inevidably hurt the actual comicbook sales. Just my perspective on that...

 

[farmernudie]

TheManofbat: I think DeFalco was (and still is) a premiere writer, especially in the Spider-Verse...

Yeh....i really like(d) Defalco overall too. One of my favorites actually...Spidey-wise.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Yeh....i really like(d) Defalco overall too. One of my favorites actually...Spidey-wise.

DeFalco and Sal Buscema's run on Spectacular Spider-Man was one of my favorites.

 

[shinlyle]

farmernudie- I agree whole-heartedly with you about the TPB market. That is a double-edged sword if I've ever seen one! We get the benefit of missing as issue, and still being able to get it without shucking out big money for it, but we also have to deal with certain books (ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN) which feature padded storyarcs that could be done in two issues....sometimes less. I think the entire Vulture/Silver Sable arc in USm could have been a two parter....maybe even a one-on.

Also, I read alot of comics....ALOT. Spidey has never been as bad as bad as he was from the Clone Saga to the Relaunch. That was THE worst era in history. At least Sins Past and The Other only lasted for and 12 issues...those went on for YEARS!!

 

[shinlyle]

DeFalco and Sal Buscema's run on Spectacular Spider-Man was one of my favorites.

They did SO MUCH in that run. It was awesome. I still need to go back and see what I'm missing from that era. No "events".....just solid storytelling and natural progression of characters.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

They did SO MUCH in that run. It was awesome. I still need to go back and see what I'm missing from that era. No "events".....just solid storytelling and natural progression of characters.

Well, it was kind of right before, and then DURING The Clone Saga, but their portion of things was always my favorite...

 

[DACrowe]

Tom DeFalco's run on ASM in the '80s was one of my favorites.

 

[farmernudie]

They should get DeFalco back on a Spidey title and let him have at it.

It'd be MUCH better than the bunch of cheese they have been serving us...that's for sure!

on a side note, I'd be happy to see Hobgoblin brought back too (if done WELL)....the old original suit, not the overly cliched demon version he became. Original glider too. I've got that original action figure by Mattel...it rocks.

The whole Ned Leeds intertwining Hobby story was done really well over a span of time. Everyone was wondering that identity for a long time...and it was done without an ARC....it was here and there, sometimes a side note to the story, etc.....That was back when there was ACTUALLY A SUPPORTING CAST where they had CHOICES of who could be a bad guy, to choose from....LOL....

 

[Sloth7d]

I mainly swoon over his writing because of the excellent Electro returns story(used Electro to his fullest potential), Doc ocks amazing revival(brought back one of the greatest villains ever and it was very moving), and the Tarantula vs Spider-man story arcs.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Damn I love being right all the time. KD, you can now tell me I was right all along. Shin can vouch for my rightnicity.

 

[farmernudie]

I am copying and pasting something from another thread...because it fits here as an example, & helps prove the point that JQ is allowing Spidey Cheese to be cranked out in chunks....

Ok...where do i start?!...does anyone think this FEELS like Spider-man???



...And I mean, first, LOOK AT THOSE THINGS....they look like GIANT ALBINO CARROTS coming out of Pete's wrists...how do they fit in his wrists anyway? *Notice the last pic where he's falling backward & note his actual WRIST SIZE compared to width of the bottom of his "white carrot stingers"!!

Also notice, how the first word balloon is Spidey noting aloud about his honkin' big-wrist-breakin'-'Stingers', so that someone picking up this issue wouldn't be like...WHAT THE-?...and think they've got the wrong comic. He is also GLAD to have his "stupid stingers".

And why would Spidey feel "GLAD" to have stingers just because his enemy has them...??!! What logic is that? (bad writing)!! >AHEM<
He fights all sorts of bad guys with all sorts of "things" all the time.

Would Spidey feel GLAD if he was horny like the Rhino when fighting him? So they could lock horns like two mule deer??

Or a tail when he fights Scorpion..would that make him feel GLAD..?! Spidey always does just fine in battles without having to have the same appendages as his enemies to feel GLAD about!

LOL....sheesh...poor Stan. Poor us. Idiotic writing!

 

[Spydernorbs]

Ya know what I do to tick off Joe and I think everyone else should do it. Pick up his "one more day" crap, read it in the store and put it back on the shelf. DON"T BUY IT. So you read his crap and he makes no money off of it! ha ha ha haha ha!!!!!!

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

They only emerge when you face someone like me... Someone whose being is rooted in primal forces of chaos and darkness

So the stingers pop out when Spidey fights pissed off emo kids?
Stingers suck...