Why Can't DC Get it right?

[Wheels]

All of Marval's hype wont do them much good if Cap and Thor don't make bank. The big team up movie could be Iron Man and a bunch of other guys nobody cares about.

 

[marcvader]

I'll care about the characters and thats all that matters to me. A movie doesn't have to make record breaking bank for me to care.

 

[Wheels]

Do you want more movies? Because if you do they have to make money.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

All of Marval's hype wont do them much good if Cap and Thor don't make bank. The big team up movie could be Iron Man and a bunch of other guys nobody cares about.

Very true. If anything else, The Avengers cannot be based on Iron Man's star power alone. That will be disastrous if it was.

 

[marcvader]

As long as the studio makes its money back during a movies theatrical run more movies will come. All I'm saying is I'm good with moderately successful movies. They don't have to be Iron Man level of success.

 

[Docker2.0]

my problem is the build-up to these franchises. If you compare them to Marvel, like it or not, Marvel is the king of hype. Well, it can be their downfall too.

I'm not saying that DC aren't making the right moves but so far, it's just been very slow. And I'm a DC guy. Some announcements would suffice
unless DC and WB are the sleeping giants, just waiting for the right moment.

My gawd! Thank you for your honesty! It's funny, you can love DC but if you just question DCE, people will bash your head off and say you are hating DC which is not the case. I just want to see some freakin DC characters on the screen.....and Lord knows I'd love to see some cross film action. Imagine GL meeting up with Superman or even Cyborg Superman for that matter.

 

[TheShah]

Marvel Studios first film was Iron Man so they didn't have any films before.

lol, that's exactly what I said.
That DC hasn't made a lot of movies of their characters, therefore they don't have many movie properties of a lot of their characters.

And I didn't say Marvel Studios, I said Marvel in general; as in movies made of Marvel characters, regardless of the studios that produced them.

 

[TheShah]

That's mostly the WB's fault. If you look at all of their recent releases, none of them really set the world on fire, with the exception of Nolan's Batman. So all this quality over quantity is bs. They have properties and for whatever reason, they are not touching them. Flash and WW are all sitting on shelves rusting while they decide to make films on Jonah Hex, the Losers, and whatever properties that are based on comics. If those movies were hits, then noone can knock them but they were not. It's just an excuse. I feel really bad for Johns. He really is the right man for the job but it's those guys in those freakin suits who are not backing him up.

Yea, I agree.
I don't know why some of DC's wicked properties aren't being developed.
I get why maybe, THE LOSERS got made: generic action-type flick that doesn't need like a comic following to be enjoyed... so they might've been playing it safe.
But at the same time, they pick a specific genre orientated C/D list character like Jonah Hex to make a movie around...?

And I've already explained what I meant by 'quality/quantity' several times, so no point harping on that constantly.

 

[Docker2.0]

Because the your quality over quantity argument doesn't match. That's why everyone is trying to give you a chance to clarify it.

 

[Micromind]

I think some WB executives (Jeff Robinov ?) were of the opinion that Dark comic book movies will do well, because TDK was a huge success, so they decided to make movies around some of the darker DC comics characters like Jonah Hex, Losers and were planning to go further by introducing characters like Lobo, Bizzarro Superman, and shelved some other light projects like Shazam, Flash and WW.

Now that Watchmen, Jonah Hex, Losers did not do well, and GL is looking promising, the lighter projects should be getting more attention.

 

[Docker2.0]

I think Jonah Hex could have done a lot better if it stuck to the source material and had a good script behind it.

 

[HenryJ]

Let's be honest - neither studio really has a monopoly on comic book films. Marvel's recent in-universe series of movies have all ranged from being pretty-good popcorn movies to downright reprehensible schlock, like that last Hulk film.

It isn't the characters, it's the model of media translation that's doing them in. In DC's case, the problem is that they're not hiring any other notable, idiosyncratic directors to bring their characters to life - just work-for-hire studio stable-hands, and so their movies more often than not come out to be silly, bland B-movies with a larger than usual budget. Marvel's problem is that they're hiring people with a real style of their own, and then they're trying to shoehorn them into a prescribed formula, and constantly looking over their shoulder to make sure everything fits into the overall puzzle they're trying to build up.

Doesn't work.

 

[marcvader]

Yeah, you've got it all figure out.

 

[Wheels]

HenryJ, I think you're being a bit hard on TIH. At least it was fun to watch, unlike Ang Lee's borefest.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Let's be honest - neither studio really has a monopoly on comic book films. Marvel's recent in-universe series of movies have all ranged from being pretty-good popcorn movies to downright reprehensible schlock, like that last Hulk film.

It isn't the characters, it's the model of media translation that's doing them in. In DC's case, the problem is that they're not hiring any other notable, idiosyncratic directors to bring their characters to life - just work-for-hire studio stable-hands, and so their movies more often than not come out to be silly, bland B-movies with a larger than usual budget. Marvel's problem is that they're hiring people with a real style of their own, and then they're trying to shoehorn them into a prescribed formula, and constantly looking over their shoulder to make sure everything fits into the overall puzzle they're trying to build up.

Doesn't work.

Bull****. Thats all I got to say about that. Bull****

So Christopher Nolan, Martin Campbell and Bryan Singer are work for hire studio stable hands?


In the Universe Marvel is creating, the styles can be different as it shows how diverse the Marvel Universe is. All you simply need is continuity to make it work. All the Marvel films do not need to be the same style.

 

[Docker2.0]

Dude has no idea what he's talking about. TIH was a great movie. If it wasn't for Ang Lee's crap, I guarantee it would have made more money.

 

[mat-chow]

Actually, it has it's moments, but I think that last Hulk was almost AS boring as the first. The CGI is hardly better, just different. I'm a DC fan in general, but also ready to be blown away by any genre movie that comes along. Iron Man blew me away. Spider-Man 1 & 2 blew me away. IM2, eh. I'm excited for Thor and Cap, but hoping that GL takes the summer next year.

And I'll say that the first Hulk, for all it's "boring-ness", actually brought more of a response in me. At least the portions about the nature of man vs. monster and that sort of thing. I liked what Ang Lee tried to do. Hulk dogs, not so much.

 

[BlackLantern]

Actually, it has it's moments, but I think that last Hulk was almost AS boring as the first. The CGI is hardly better, just different. I'm a DC fan in general, but also ready to be blown away by any genre movie that comes along. Iron Man blew me away. Spider-Man 1 & 2 blew me away. IM2, eh. I'm excited for Thor and Cap, but hoping that GL takes the summer next year.

And I'll say that the first Hulk, for all it's "boring-ness", actually brought more of a response in me. At least the portions about the nature of man vs. monster and that sort of thing. I liked what Ang Lee tried to do. Hulk dogs, not so much.

same here....Banner carries the Hulk around like a burden, I think it was cool that both films tried to communicate that

 

[TheShah]

Because the your quality over quantity argument doesn't match. That's why everyone is trying to give you a chance to clarify it.

My argument isn't the one you think I'm making, regardless of how many times I've explained it.
I'm not arguing that DC is better than Marvel because they put out better movies, instead of more movies like Marvel.

My point was:
If I was to take a box of darts and whip 'em at a dart board, I have more chances of hitting hitting the bullseye. ( Marvel)
If I was to do the same with 3 darts, I have less. (DC)
But either scenario, regardless of the outcome, doesn't determine my worth as a dart thrower.

Marvel = more movies.
DC = less movies.
So obviously the BO hit/flop ratio is going to differ based on volume.

That doesn't mean one company makes better movies than the other, just that one has more chances for success as they're getting more of their characters out there.

 

[Docker2.0]

Dude I was actually yanking your chain. But yeah WB sux, DC doesn't. They just have the wrong company over them. Honestly people keep saying that WB has so much to choose from and that's why they are not looking at comic book properties but let's look at Disney. They just acquired Marvel but they are looking at getting 4 of their properties on film(Dr. Strange, Iron Fist, Runaways, and Black Panther)out on film within the next 2 years. Those will be the first Marvel titles released under Disney. That speaks volumes right there.

 

[TheShah]

Dude I was actually yanking your chain. But yeah WB sux, DC doesn't. They just have the wrong company over them. Honestly people keep saying that WB has so much to choose from and that's why they are not looking at comic book properties but let's look at Disney. They just acquired Marvel but they are looking at getting 4 of their properties on film(Dr. Strange, Iron Fist, Runaways, and Black Panther)out on film within the next 2 years. Those will be the first Marvel titles released under Disney. That speaks volumes right there.

How dare you.
My chain is to be yanked exclusively by the Mrs. only!
I feel violated.
You sir, have chain raped me.

lol... but yea. I see what you're saying. I think DC actualy has a lot more, viable characters/stories that can be made into live action series/movies than Marvel.
DC's stories also seems to (to me) focus more on the philosophical, thematic issues rather than contextual story arcs.
IDENTITY CRISIS for example.

 

[baerrtt]

Bull****. Thats all I got to say about that. Bull****

So Christopher Nolan, Martin Campbell and Bryan Singer are work for hire studio stable hands?


In the Universe Marvel is creating, the styles can be different as it shows how diverse the Marvel Universe is. All you simply need is continuity to make it work. All the Marvel films do not need to be the same style.

I don't think he's including Nolan or even Singer with his criticism. It's just that looking at WB's future superhero/comic book slate the directors chosen...feel too safe and bland(Greg Berlanti for example).

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I wouldn't say Campbell was safe or bland. He's good with character-driven stories and I don't think he's ever done a sci-fi film before let alone a superhero film. He has done Zorro though.

 

[Octoberist]

I hope more DC Entertainment stuff will get announced by at least the New York Comic Con. For God's sakes, just say something about the projects.

 

[marcvader]

Hopefully some Flash or WW news.