Why doesn't Fox unite their heroes?

[jaymes_e06]

Victor von Doom.

And you can add the Silver Surfer and Galactus.

This.

 

[Team Andino]

Does anyone know of when the rights to Daredevil or Fantastic Four would revert back to Marvel considering it's been years since any movies have been made let alone even entered a pre-production stage?

 

[roach]

Does anyone know of when the rights to Daredevil or Fantastic Four would revert back to Marvel considering it's been years since any movies have been made let alone even entered a pre-production stage?

only the people who hold the contracts know that...also Fox can make a payment to keep the rights if they aren't in preproduction

 

[Donnie Darko]

I understand people want Doom in Marvel movies, but it's not like the Avengers have ran out of villains. It's much more important to get Ultron in there than have them fight Doom.

 

[bubbadoom]

only the people who hold the contracts know that...also Fox can make a payment to keep the rights if they aren't in preproduction

it has always been my understanding that this was not the case with the FF - there was a time limit built in so that Fox would loose the rights if a certain number of films were not in theaters by a certain date - and that dead line is fast approaching, so we shall see...

 

[roach]

it has always been my understanding that this was not the case with the FF - there was a time limit built in so that Fox would loose the rights if a certain number of films were not in theaters by a certain date - and that dead line is fast approaching, so we shall see...

as I said before the only people who know are the contract holders and they usually don't say whats in a contract.

 

[roach]

I understand people want Doom in Marvel movies, but it's not like the Avengers have ran out of villains. It's much more important to get Ultron in there than have them fight Doom.

its like people just want endless cameos and characters showing up with no story...

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

its like people just want endless cameos and characters showing up with no story...

or it's just people who have the urge to see the greatest supervillain of all time done right on the big screen. after FOX f***ed up big time, some people (including me) believe that MS might have a better understanding fo the character.
if he shows up in an Avengers movie or a FF movie, I don't care. As long as he is finally done right.

 

[murdock_matt]

I know this is not the popular sentiment of Marvel fans, but I seriously don't have a problem with other studios owning the right to CERTAIN Marvel characters. Yes, I would still like MS to get the rights back to Spider-Man since that is their flagship character, but I'm a huge Daredevil fan and don't mind some other studio taking a crack at him. I feel that with other studios getting shots with lower-tier characters, we the fans get a wider variety of films. Sure some of them lack quality... all right MOST of them lack quality.

But ONE company owning ALL the character rights doesn't seem like a super idea to me. Look at WB and DC. What DC movies do we get to choose from? Well, there's Batman... and Superman... and a Batman spin-off (Catwoman)... and... Superman spin-offs (Supergirl & Steel)... and a Batman reboot... and TWO Superman reboots... and JONAH HEX?!?!?!? A laughable Green Lantern?

I LOVE the new Marvel Studios age we're in, but if it had always been this way, we would not have had the recent barrage of films from varying studios who (while offering entertainment to a small portion of the fanbase) actually showed Marvel Studios what NOT to do. I don't think the Avengers series of films would have been as great as they are without learning from those lackluster films put out by Fox and Sony and others. I honestly think those films were a necessary evil to elevate the quality of the films we now have... as well as the ones we're looking forward to.

Now we can hope the studios currently holding rights to Marvel characters will take notes from what Marvel Studios has done and put forth their own best efforts with the superheroes we all love.

 

[MENTALLECT]

Fox has consistently underachieved in the superhero arena. Wolverine, easily a close second to Spiderman in popularity made what? 370m? Had any studio other than Fox made Wolverine it would have been a 600m movie. Fox is really out of it's element, and it seems to stem from a lack of understanding of what fans desire to see.

 

[BMM]

Doubtful.

 

[Project862006]

Fox has consistently underachieved in the superhero arena. Wolverine, easily a close second to Spiderman in popularity made what? 370m? Had any studio other than Fox made Wolverine it would have been a 600m movie. Fox is really out of it's element, and it seems to stem from a lack of understanding of what fans desire to see.

yeah and i am sure the film being leaked online weeks before it's release did'nt have any affect

 

[Bruce Malone]

^^^

It didn't really. It still debuted above or at expectation with 85 million over the weekend, pretty good for a film following the not well received x3 and missing pretty much the rest of the other x-men.

It nose dived the 2nd weekend due to poor word of mouth. If it was good it would have made more money leak or not.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

^Exactly. Even with the leak, Origins had an $85 Million opening (which is way more than that of Thor & Cap) & it grossed $180 Million Domestically - which was Thor's Domestic Gross - yet it had no IMAX/3D. It also achieved those impressive numbers with terrible reviews. Had the leak never happened, Origins would have easily grossed $200 - 220 Domestically. Even Fantastic Four did well at the BO. It had a $90 Million budget & made $155 Million Domestically with terrifically bad reviews (27% on RT). And remember, $155 Million back in '05 when tickets were almost half the price of what they are now, is about $200 Million today. Yeah, FOX made some bad CBMs between '03 & 09, but really only DD & Elektra were flops. I blame that on Mark Steven Johnson (aka worst director of CBMs since Joel Schumacher). Rise of The Silver Surfer made a modest Domestic $133 Million, which again, in '07 sans IMAX/3D & uber-inflation was about $170 today. Not to mention, it was released just 6 weeks after the BO glutton that was SM3.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Fact is, Fox failed to make CBM that impressed me the way MS did with their movies.

 

[BMM]

Which has absolutely no bearing on the reality of the situation.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

X2 & First Class not only impressed me, they left me in awe. IM2 left a bad taste in my mouth (thank God for Mjolnir after the credits), Thor left me saying "That's it?" & Cap just left me annoyed. I'm pretty sure Vaughn's version of Thor woulda been miles better. Same goes for what Favreau originally intended IM2 to be (before Feige took over & made it IM2: Enter The Avengers Initiative). Not lookin' forward to any of the solo sequels. Only GOTG & Whedon's third film I really care about. I'll watch Wright's ANT-MAN movie if it ever gets made. Its Edgar Wright. Love that guy. But yeah, IM3, Thor II, Cap 2...it all just sounds so unappealing because of what the last installments were (bland). Even with Kingsley & Pearce I can't get myself excited for IM3. Thor II at the hands of Alan Taylor...again, I just don't care & Cap 2, well don't even get me started on that sequel. These directors they've been looking at are just crap. Pre-pro's 6 months away & they still haven't found a nobody to make that film.

 

[Picard Sisko]

And you can add the Silver Surfer and Galactus.

omg imagine Galactus in the Avengers. As long as he isn't a cloud...

 

[storyteller]

TDK making a billion has changed nothing at WB, so why would Avengers making a billion would change the two superhero movies per year policy
over at Disney ?

Especially with 2012's bomb - John Carter (production budget : 250 mil) and 2011's bomb -Mars needs Moms (budget :150 mil.)

Because Avengers didn't bomb and WB has a crap ton of over films to finance. Marvel only has to worry about Marvel. If anything it's possibly more financially sound to back Marvel in its movie department. Of course Disney could fund projects that aren't big Marvel movies but smaller heroes and shorts.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Maybe because it'd be a terrible idea? Or to be more precise, none of their licenses have anything really to do with each other. Putting them all in the same world, just with those alone, would create a very Made In Taiwan feeling. Especially since X-Men really isn't even particularly compatible with the rest of the Marvel U *in the comics*. . .

Pretty good reasons, I think.

 

[psylockolussus]

Fox has consistently underachieved in the superhero arena. Wolverine, easily a close second to Spiderman in popularity made what? 370m? Had any studio other than Fox made Wolverine it would have been a 600m movie. Fox is really out of it's element, and it seems to stem from a lack of understanding of what fans desire to see.

Yeah maybe if Paramount or Walt Disney or Warner Brothers had X-Men. The X-Men movies would have grossed more than $300 million per film but at least none of the FOX's X-Men films flopped or became a total disappointment.

 

[Dr Tactics]

Yeah maybe if Paramount or Walt Disney or Warner Brothers had X-Men. The X-Men movies would have grossed more than $300 million per film but at least none of the FOX's X-Men films flopped or became a total disappointment.

Thats Interesting!! When you say X-Men movies NEVER totally disappointed do you mean they may have somewhat disappointed? And, What constitutes disappointment? Is It from a monetary profit from Ticket sales vs Production budget and marketing costs? Or do you mean whether that it was a well received film by ticket purchasers like how XM-FC was a good film and got great reviews but didn't take in as much compared to Thor & CA??

 

[Dr Tactics]

Fox has consistently underachieved in the superhero arena. Wolverine, easily a close second to Spiderman in popularity made what? 370m? Had any studio other than Fox made Wolverine it would have been a 600m movie. Fox is really out of it's element, and it seems to stem from a lack of understanding of what fans desire to see.

Which is why Fox fails and pays. Thought XM-LS made a lot of money( mainly because of X2 being so well received), it was a piss poor film which then hurt XMOW cause fans waited for positive word of mouth in which there were none. Same thing happened to GR. When you make changes for creative control with no regard to your core fan base you lose. When you do what Marvel Studios did with their MCU, you Win. Period.

 

[psylockolussus]

Thats Interesting!! When you say X-Men movies NEVER totally disappointed do you mean they may have somewhat disappointed? And, What constitutes disappointment? Is It from a monetary profit from Ticket sales vs Production budget and marketing costs? Or do you mean whether that it was a well received film by ticket purchasers like how XM-FC was a good film and got great reviews but didn't take in as much compared to Thor & CA??

I am somewhat disappointed that none of the X-Men movies grossed more than $500 million in the worldwide box-office.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Isn't going anywhere? They are gonna film The Wolverine this summer and the sequel for First Class next year. Whether the films are good or not, the X-Men movie franchise of FOX is very active.

Active yes, but the activity is not good activity.

The Marvel U seems to be really trying to get their characters off the ground in a more accurate way that pleases the fans. FOX is all about doing whatever the hell they want to do.

I was watching the Extras on the First Class DVD and even Laura Shuler Donner admitted that she fought certain decisions (like Havok being included over Scott) because she knew it would piss us off. But she got outvoted.

I've decided to write off the entire X-Men movieverse as a "What If" thing...not a legitimate deal.