Batman Begins Why wasn't Begins more Profitable?

[Tacit Ronin]

If it's good, it probably will. Spider-man was massive before he had movies out, mixed reaction to one movie is not going to change that.

Hulk 2008 was good yet it didn't make more then Hulk 2003.

 

[david icke]

Hulk 2008 was good yet it didn't make more then Hulk 2003.

Hulk does not compare to Spider-man as a global merchandising product, or the amount of fans he has.
And that's just your opinion on the quality comparison. Personally I think both have their pros and cons, neither delivered on all fronts.
It seems like both Hulk movies have not really garnered much devotion from audiences, so they're not really comparable to the Spidey franchise.

 

[The Joker]

I loathed Ang Lee's Hulk.

 

[returntovoid]

^I liked both Hulk and The Incredible Hulk but I liked the latter better.

Anyway, each to their own.

 

[-Arya-]

There was no Joker in Begins, and there were relatively unknown villians involved.

Also, many people were probably hesitant after Batman and Robin.

 

[Travesty]

There was no Joker in Begins, and there were relatively unknown villians involved.

Also, many people were probably hesitant after Batman and Robin.

 

[souloffire]

I think BB wasn't more profitable because it was a boring movie. Never understood all the praise for it.

 

[Two-Face]

it was a boring movie. Never understood all the praise for it.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

The Joker has huge appeal worldwide. Every Batman movie with the Joker has been a record breaker at the time of release.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

And once again...

We know why TDK made more money than BB. But the thing is why BB didn't make more than it did (not necessarily more than TDK).


That said? Unknown cast. They couldn't have been more known. And no mass appeal? It was a Batman movie! A Batman movie directed by Christopher Nolan! How is that any short of mass appealing?

You just answered you're own question.

A Batman movie. The last Batman movie before Begins nearly killed off comic book movies. Begins was tarnished with the Batman and Robin brush, it's as simple as that. General movie goers who don't have a real interest in movies, who just go out to watch a film every now and then wouldn't pick Begins because of the atrocious Batman film before it.

And Chris Nolan? Yes because before Begins he was a really popular, mainstream, big blockbuster director! Oh wait...

Again, most of the average movie goers would of never even heard of Chris Nolan before Begins.

 

[El Payaso]

You just answered you're own question.

A Batman movie. The last Batman movie before Begins nearly killed off comic book movies. Begins was tarnished with the Batman and Robin brush, it's as simple as that. General movie goers who don't have a real interest in movies, who just go out to watch a film every now and then wouldn't pick Begins because of the atrocious Batman film before it.

If you read my first post in this thread I mention Batman & Robin as one of the main factors that affected BB's BO.

And Chris Nolan? Yes because before Begins he was a really popular, mainstream, big blockbuster director! Oh wait...

Again, most of the average movie goers would of never even heard of Chris Nolan before Begins.

Too bad, but Nolan had directed some significant movies before. There was no need to be a big blockbuster director in order to be recognized enough.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Three Reasons:
1. BB followed B&R - TDK followed BB
2. No Joker
3. Heath Ledger died before the film release

 

[Spoonman]

If you read my first post in this thread I mention Batman & Robin as one of the main factors that affected BB's BO.



Too bad, but Nolan had directed some significant movies before. There was no need to be a big blockbuster director in order to be recognized enough.

Nobody is saying his work wasn't good before Batman Begins, but he wasn't a big draw for bringing on the mainstream audience, neither was Bale, they were probably known mostly by moviebuffs, so IMO with all things considered BB did really well on its own and laid out the fundations for the bigger success of TDK. Now Nolan is a household name and I'm sure that we're going to see "from the director of TDK" on the spots for his next film (Inception).

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Thanks Spoonman that's exactly what I meant.

Sure Nolan was a great director and deserved recognition before Begins. But that isn't the way it works.

 

[Travesty]

Nobody is saying his work wasn't good before Batman Begins, but he wasn't a big draw for bringing on the mainstream audience, neither was Bale, they were probably known mostly by moviebuffs, so IMO with all things considered BB did really well on its own and laid out the fundations for the bigger success of TDK. Now Nolan is a household name and I'm sure that we're going to see "from the director of TDK" on the spots for his next film (Inception).

 

[dgnightwing]

Spoonman nailed it on the head there.

 

[Indrid Cold]

Begins is how a reboot should be done for a superhero film, take notes Singer, no more superkids!

 

[El Payaso]

Begins is how a reboot should be done for a superhero film, take notes Singer, no more superkids!

Superman Returns wasn't a reboot, you see.

That said, I have no appreciation for Batman Begins' kid. :

 

[Indrid Cold]

How do you know that? Read the comics. Carmine Falcone had a warehouse full to the brim with cash in The Long Halloween.

I think you just answered your own question. It's the comics dude.

 

[The Joker]

Superman Returns wasn't a reboot, you see.

That said, I have no appreciation for Batman Begins' kid. :

Or the kids in the Spider-Man movies.

In fact, kids in general in superhero movies are terrible.

I think you just answered your own question. It's the comics dude.

I know. But this is a comic book movie.

*GASP*

 

[Indrid Cold]

Or the kids in the Spider-Man movies.

In fact, kids in general in superhero movies are terrible.



I know. But this is a comic book movie.

*GASP*

Congratulations you are at a paradoxial impass! Here is your cookie..wait you can't eat the word cookie...but without the word cookie we wouldn't call a cookie a cookie...and if we didn't have the word cookie to represent a cookie then what do we call the cookie...t:

 

[Indrid Cold]

Superman Returns wasn't a reboot, you see.

That said, I have no appreciation for Batman Begins' kid. :

Ahhh but I never said Superman Returns was a reboot, merely stating if a superhero movie was to be rebooted, that is how it should be done. If Bryan Singer was to REBOOT Superman, that should be a film he should study.

 

[TheWrathOfGod]

TDK made a lot of money for the same reasons why Titanic, Pirates, Harry Potter, and Twilight did. It's all about teenage sex appeal for girls. Heath Ledger was a teen heart throb already, and his death catapulted TDK into box office history. Teenage girls have the most disposable income.

If they want Batman 3 to make a lot of money, just have Zac Efron be Robin, and make sure to give him a lethal 8 ball mixed with sedatives before the premiere.

 

[El Payaso]

Ahhh but I never said Superman Returns was a reboot,

You completely implied it. You asked Singer to take notes on reboots by adding no kids on them, obviously refering to Superman Returns.

merely stating if a superhero movie was to be rebooted, that is how it should be done.

And then you put Singer's SR as an example (because that's the movie you were talking about when you said "no more kids" right?).

If Bryan Singer was to REBOOT Superman, that should be a film he should study.

Then why mentioning the kid from SR if you're talking about a 'reboot'? Has Singer implied he's going to show a kid in any reboot? And that said, is it not of public knowledge that in no case in no way Singer is doing a Superman reboot?

 

[El Payaso]

TDK made a lot of money for the same reasons why Titanic, Pirates, Harry Potter, and Twilight did. It's all about teenage sex appeal for girls. Heath Ledger was a teen heart throb already, and his death catapulted TDK into box office history. Teenage girls have the most disposable income.

If they want Batman 3 to make a lot of money, just have Zac Efron be Robin, and make sure to give him a lethal 8 ball mixed with sedatives before the premiere.

I'm sure people other than teenagers cared for Ledger's death also.